Jess642,

Sure, you can ask.

There was one Adam and one Eve. Micro-evolution, which was driven by
the climate, terrain and Vitamin D, is the reason for all the various
races. Vitamin D is a necessary vitamin, but it is also poisonous.
Take a white person and put them in the equatorial sun and they will
suffer vitamin D poisoning. Take a black person and put them in Alaska
and they will suffer Vitamin D deficiency. Eskimos are unique among
humans in that blood flow increases to their extremities in cold
weather, this ensures that they can continue to function in dangerously
cold weather. There are many other examples I can give of adaptations
humans have developed to various environments. But in all cases, each
ethnicity can breed with any other. It's like different breeds of cats
or dogs, no matter how drastic the morphological differences, they are
still the same species.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WJS-45F4X4V-13&_user=10&_coverDate=07%2F31%2F2000&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=28bd224d95956ccaba03da3ea9e5b204

If you are interested, I will explain why Cain was able to marry his
sister and produce perfectly normal and healthy children. This is a
question that vexs many people, but can actually be answered with a
grasp of simple genetics.

Jess I truly wish I know the answer to that.

Just about every part of our species that has a seperate existance in
their begining (as far as we can tell) has some type of Adam and Eve
legend.

I find that quite fasinating.

Spider...I find that difficult to understand the Vitamin D theory, from
an experiential perspective.

I come from Irish and Scandinavian stock, fair like the Irish, with red
pigment, light eyes and red in my hair...and have lived my entire life
outdoors in near eqitorial conditions of sunlight exposure.

I do not suffer a Vitamin D toxicity, nor do any of my children, who
also come from Irish stock on their father's side, and also have had
massive exposure to sunlight.

How would you explain this?

Perhaps one reason that those that follow creation do not wish to
include evolution in their belief structure is quite simple.

to follow the precepts of evolution one must begin to wonder if
revelations of god follow an evolution also.

If evolution is progressive.

Then revelation must also be progressive.

Which would require a person to look for the next step in the revelation
and step outside their comfortable box.

Jess642,

Sure, you have a tan. Take someone who doesn't have a tan and they will
get a sun burn. In addition to the sun burn, they will suffer the
effects of Vitamin D poisoning. There has been a lot of research done
on this subject by Darwinists. While science cannot be proven, there is
a huge body of evidence that suggests that Vitamin D helps to drive
human evolution. The color of your hair isn't very important, there are
red-headed arabs.

Jess642,

I didn't want to forget to mention this. Most white people can tan to
get darker skin. This allows us to adapt to various climates over time.
The effect is worse for dark skinned people who move to low light
environments. That said, I read one article recently that stated that
dark skinned populations that eat a lot of fish can and have moved north
without losing pigmentation over time.

no my point is I don't 'tan'..I burn, and it only through many years of
exposure the melanin has built up in my skin...I was not born with vast
amounts of melanin..I do not tan easy.

I still don't see how this can fit in with my question.

I am not being facetious, I genuinely don't see how we can have so many
different races of the one species, without evolution.

None of this will matter given time.

Eventually we will all be the same color with blending of the various
sub-species within the human species.

Then perhaps we will have to fight about... Nose size.

or some other such nonsense.

AdventureBegins,

I can't believe in Evolution because the Bible teaches that animals
"brought forth abundantly after their kind" meaning that dogs always
give birth to dogs, cats always give birth to cats and humans always
give birth to humans. Jesus also taught that there were originally two
people, Adam and Eve. Another peice of evidence (this one from science)
is that scientists are still confused by the remarkable lack of
diversity in human genetics.

Jess642,

I provided links, please read them. As I said, it's very well accepted
science. And we didn't get them without evolution, we got them without
macro-evolution. Micro-evolution is a species adapting to it's
environment while macro-evolution is a species becoming another species.

You are still under the assumption that I don't believe in evolution, I
do. I just don't believe in macro-evolution. Ignore my original post,
I wrote it for a reason, intentionally getting the theory wrong, for a
specific purpose that is no longer important.

For not having very much diversity we shure do find a lot of diferences
to fight about.

Thankyou spider, I will read the links, I was interested in hearing from
you, your thoughts, which you shared,

as well as others..

Spider ... have you actually thought about the realities of the tales of
the bible?

Explain to me how Noah fitted every animal on a boat that would have had
to be the size of an aircraft carrier?

150 days of feeding, exercising, mucking out, separating, breeding, and
slaughtering every animal.

Ok ... now imagine it with Noah, his wife, 3 sons and their 3 wives - 8
people!

It really beggars beleif!

They were babies.

Belushi wrote:
“Spider ... have you actually thought about the realities of the tales
of the bible?

Explain to me how Noah fitted every animal on a boat that would have had
to be the size of an aircraft carrier?”

Forget about the physics of the situation Duncan. There are
philosophical reasons why it makes no sense.

All humans on Earth were corrupt, except for Noah and his entire
immediate family? How convenient for Noah that his sons were so
well-behaved and even married women who were so well-behaved whilst no
on else on the entire planet was worthy of God’s grace. I mean,
wouldn’t we love to get our hands on the dating service Noah’s sons
used! (ha ha)

Ok, so it’s already really weird that only Noah and his immediate family
and their wives are the only good people on the entire planet, but then
the story begs the question,…

What makes God believe that these people will continue on to generate
well-behaved offspring? Is a sense of moral well-being inherited?
Obviously not, if that were true that would basically negate the whole
idea of free will.

So God flushes all of humanity down the toilet save for this one
extremely coincident case of a hand-full of closely related people for
the purpose of restarting the whole process all over again.

However, since God must already be aware (because he’s all-knowing) that
a sense of moral well-being isn’t inheritable then starting a new
civilization with Noah and his sons isn’t going to change anything. And
obviously it didn’t.

Of course, I don’t believe in the story to begin with, so since I don’t
believe it ever happened then the question of whether or not it was
successful is moot.

I do believe that there was a flood in history that sparked the story to
be written. In fact, many people have suggested several catastrophic
floods that have occurred on earth that had wiped out the bulk of large
communities. So I can certainly see how an ancient sage could have
experienced a devastating flood (or at least heard about it from his
ancestors) and then he wrote it into a parable to teach his people to
behave themselves. That's what we read today.

So while I can see where such stories would have gotten their seeds to
have been written by men, there’s no way that I can believe that an
actual God could have been involved. It’s in direct contradiction to
the idea of God being all-knowing andr all-loving. Not to mention that
the idea that only Noah and his immediate family (included the spouses
of his sons) were the only people on Earth worthy of saving. That's and
extremely improbable thing to have to believe.

So today people can actually believe in that absurd story and not
believe in evolution? Please tell me their joking!

"All humans on Earth were corrupt, except for Noah and his entire
immediate family?"

What's so hard to believe about that?

Belushi,

Yes, I have. Noah's ark didn't need all animals on the planet, just the
ones that could drown. Noah's ark didn't need all of the animals, just
one (or seven) pairs of each kind. Did Noah need eight species of
bears? No, he only needed one species. An island of lions seperated
from the African mainland, have turned into super-lions in a period of
15 years. These lions are huge in size and stronger than any other lion
breeds. You can read about it here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=392292&in_page_id=1766&in_a_source=&ito=1490

Darwinism is based on the belief that evolution takes millions of year,
but these lions adapted to a new environment in 15 years. My view of
evolution actually holds to the evolution that we have observed, animals
can adapt quickly to their environment. The Darwinist view is disproven
by the fact that animals evolve extremely quickly. One thing we have
never seen is one species turn into another. God stated that all
animals would "bring forth abundantly after their kind", meaning that
whatever a bear gives birth to will always be a bear. The child might
be more specialized to a colder environment or larger to tackle larger
pray, but no matter the morphological changes, the child will always be
a bear. The animals that left the Ark, after their kind, adapted to
their environments creating the variety of species that we see.

How did Noah carry enough food to feed all of the animals for 150 days?
Have you ever read the story of Jesus and the loaves and fishes? Noah
and his family had to load food for themselves and the animals, but the
gathering and loading of that food was simply an act of faith, they were
proving that they had faith in God. God prevented that food from
spoiling and made sure that there was always plenty of good food for
Noah's family and their animal wards.

How did the boat survive, Noah wasn't an engineer and the boat was
described as being larger than any other wooden boat ever made? God
designed the boat and Noah created it to God's specifications. When the
Isrealites were in the desert for 40 years, God suspended the laws of
physics, so that their clothing and shoes did not deteriate at all.
When the Israelites left the desert, God had to explain to them what was
going to start happening to their clothing. So it is easy to see that
God altered the laws of physics so that the Ark wouldn't sink.

Yeah! And they were probably babies, too! Little itty bitty baby
animals.

I'm not joking either...I'll bet they were...most of them, anyway.

That's correct Sheila, the animals didn't have to be adults when they
were loaded onto the Ark.