It would have been nice if in his infinite wisdom he had created a version in all the worlds languages. If you truly want to understand what is said in the bible you should study ancient hebrew and read it in it's original language and original context. In my very limited studies, I have found that it adds a whole new light to the writings. It didn't help to strengthen my faith. I moved further away from my faith after my studies.

nubby...

if god is god, and words of god are indeed prohecy, then how are these laws, and not prophecy, of what WILL BE from within, if ONE SEE WHAT IS TRUE, within, if god is uncovered from within???

then these things would simply be revealed from the nature of a person, and not as some natrue of something in the sky???

what uncover the nature of love, which is god, within, if one is trying to be as god???

can a human "act itself" into a representation of a infinite all powerful god???

what was surrender then spoken of, or "not my will but yours"???

why did jesus tell "scripture" to get behind him, even with anger???

is that not the same as saying, scripture does not guide me???

each act of a human, does not change, as some tell of good or bad, but rather the motive of the heart, whether it be most for self, or most for the love of other's, and only this decide WHAT all words and actions create???

is this why even jesus, was not the sweet old grandpa he is professed to be???

did it not say, to go and be as this one???

the only true knowing of any god, is not asking to be some rightouess thing, or good thing, or clean thing, but rather only asking HOW to love other's, and if this was anything that humannity already had thru good doctrine, would not LOVE PREVAIL, and evil by now have been abolished, and all things hold hands in harmony???

what more is of god, then forsaking the nature of the mind, that only naturally seek to recieve unto itself, only the good words from the one's it claim to love???

are not ALL BAD WORDS RAN FROM, and only the body, and brian, and spirit, only drawn to what say it is good???

so then religion become only a cloaking device???

so then the same as running from god, running from the negative, spoken of self, from the peoples around each other???

how is unconditional love, anything more than hearing all the words of those within our own families and communities, and not just the good words of self, leaving off all the bad of course, by seeking to find fault in another, lol...

what more creates any delusion than this???

was not satan only said to be "thinking" that CREATE DELUSION???

if each in the world deny ALL THE NEGATIVE SPOKEN OF ITSELF, then where all come to???

then do not all wlak together towrds a cliff, all pointing the finger at each other???

but only each other can see into another, as self is in self???

it is not some doctrine that save, some dogama, that convert to greater sight, to the simple knowing of the brain, and how it is electrically charged, and magnetically controlled, showing what data and therefore what emotions it will "seek"???

why will the brain do as such???

if the brain, called the carnel mind, was said to be "evil", then HOW will it create evil???

is not the mind a electromagnetic device, that if SELF WILL, this will create ENERGY, or power, and this being put to it, by self will, will create a power draw, a polorization, just like a magnet and DRAW ITSELF TO THE OPPOSITE POLARITY???

this, why jesus said, not my will???

this, why said to surrender???

this why it said, when i "will" to do good, "evil" is present???

this, why it said, "no good deeds can please god"???

and who is god???

is it not people???

all are "children of god"???

all "ye are gods"???

but to think as self as like god, would do what???

electriclly charge the brain to "trying to be righteouss", damned as "self righteouss"???

and why it said, to get to "god", or truth within, one must become as turning the other cheeck???

what is this, more than actually believing the negative stuff said of self???

please man, it right there in front of the eyes...

why jesus NEVER DARED CLAIM HE WAS ANYTHING???

why he cursed, and told scritpture to GET BEHIND HIM???

no scripture followed can save anything mortal!!!

if god is said to nothing more than the least of these, then this would be then all humans???

is this not the way all brains are set up, as it did say god was just and fair???

just seems to be many things not yet connected, that create the only true or real to come forth, of anything greater???

this is brought up, as if these laws could create good, by WILLING self to be them, then THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPNEDED BY NOW, AS BILLIONS SEEK DAILY, WITH ALL THEIR HEART, TO BE GOOD???

is it only self that long to be good, and of god, that is actually drawn to evil???

what the hell is the only evil that exist, the only thining in it's infancy, that allow one to harm another???

that self IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANOTHER HUMAN BEING???

is not seeking to get into heaven, all about saving self???

is it no self absorbed???

what righeouss thing, IF IT SEE IT'S OWN SHORTCOMING, STAND AND SAY, SEND ME TO HELL, I AM GUILTY!!!

then one see what HELL really is, and it is an illusion, the things that all seek for themself, say it is!!!

to actually SEEK, and "will self", to do good, WILL MAKE THE OPPOSITE OF GOD, A DOG, THAT IS ONLY CONTROLLED BY IT'S MASTER, and the master of willed goodness, is disastor, the carnel mind, HUMAN BRAIN???

WHAT IS THE MASTER, THEN CONTROLLER OF ALL HUMAN BEHAVIUOR???

THE BRAIN!!!

is that what we see all around us???

what is the decpetion of religion???

is it not, to WILL oneself to be good???

was it what another human, just as self seen, called paul, that said, "when i "will" to do good, evil is present???

that statement told the self seeking do gooder, to try harder, and led as lamb to the slaugther???

but the LAMN, lay down with the LION, THE MIND CALLED A ROAIUGN LION, THE LAMB CALLED GOD, HEAVEN WIHTIN, AND BECOME WHAT???

WISE AS SERPENTS!!!

but, as serpent was called as bad too???

ideas my friend, but nothing can be true, less it is given consideration, as remember, there was once many called as blinded, and to think this age, is not just as primitive, in it's own right, as former man, leave current man just as blind and primitive???

it was once ignorance to say, that the world was round, and it went against all that was believed in that day???

is not all better knowing the same way???

peace bro...

Forgive me, but I have to ask. Is english your first language? I seem to have a lot of difficult understanding your posts.

Agreed, WTF?

Hi Jasmine:

I just happened to stumble across your question and to be honest I did not take the time to read any of the responses.

There is most definitely harmony between the Old Testament and the New Testament. God never changes. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

It can be hard to wrap our peanut-sized brains around the fact that everything God has ever done was motivated from His great love for us. It's hard to look at some of the Old Testament wrath and harmonize that with the New Testament grace. But the correlation is definitely there.

I wish I had about a month to try and explain this to you.

Think of the flood for example. Sin was running so ramped in the world that is was like a fast spreading disease, a disease without a cure. God came very close to wiping out all creation because of it. But instead He found one upstanding man and chose to use him and his family as a means to give mankind a new chance.

It's kind of like gangrene. (sp). Sometimes it becomes necessary to lop off an arm to save the rest of the body.

That's just one example but the truth is that from the very beginning God has had an amazing love for people. He even gave mankind power and dominion over this physical realm but we yielded that power to Satan back in the Garden. And God, being a keeper of His word could not just take back what He had already given us. The earth belongs to man is what the bible says.

This is exactly why God had to become a man, Jesus, so that He could take back the power and the authority that we ourselves gave away. It took a physical body on this earth to gain back the dominion and now through receiving the Christ we no longer have to be tormented by the enemy or be in fear of God's wrath.

He poured all of His wrath out on His own Son so that you and I could become the victorious men and women He originally intended for us to be.

Like I said, I could talk about this forever but if you are really and truly interested in hearing the truth, I strongly suggest taking the time to listen to the following audio series. It will help bring into light a greater understanding of the way God once dealt with us as opposed the way He does now. God is awesome!

http://www.awmi.net/extra/audio/1002

This series entitled "The War is Over" I would also highly recommend:

http://www.awmi.net/extra/audio/1053

So you are willing to use reason and logic to continue forward with the conversation, he is giving up in the face of a reasoned argument and calling you stubborn . . . . typical.




You mean god made us with envy and desires, then condemned us for having those attributes that where god given, even the generations of humans that had yet to be born. Sounds like a bad deal from the get go. So how does god have the morale high ground here?

Speak for yourself, my brain is not peanut sized. Reason and logic can teach us everything we need to know, and neither of those hold up in the face of this "love" you attribute to "god".

Critical thinking skills are a learned skill. So is the shield of ignorance brought on by rigid dogma.

Which is more powerful? Well that depends on what the objective is.

If the objective is to never learn, or change, then the later is outstandingly more powerful.

If to be adaptable, and gain in knowledge then the previous is hands down the superior.

Ask yourself which is more important in this life . . . .

thomasbj...

seamonster...

if you do not understand the words, then they are as ignornace to you, and indeed rightfully so, they were not written to you, nor hold any meaning or insight, into the belief's both of you have have expressed...

do all the words you speak, that another does not understand, mean your words were in error???

you may not understand them, but make no mistake, not one word will fail to come to pass, before your very eye's.

so what else did you drop by for???

um.....

It was not intended to be a knock against you and I did not say that they were in error. Just curious why your grammar is far from the norm and difficult to decipher.

did i say it was???

it is what it is.

WTF!!!

no father no son

indeed, indeed, indeed!!!

each human being it's own father and son, carried to wisdom by fear, a holy spirit, that fear there is a holy god, until the day one see no god is holy, but simply pure motive of the greater self, the aura that hover around each being, each having it's own, male and female alike, and god of each only be itself, that want nothing for itself, but only good for other's first.

what more is courage, what more is any valor, what more is any heart, what more is any integrity, than to be willing to lay down one's life, it own want's, it's own belief, that it think save itself, from some hell or doom, for the love of another, that it love.

the doctine's and dogma's cloud the skies, with smoke of vain telling of some intricate and complex stories of what is good, when a child is said to have to be able to understand it.

it is a doomed practice with days numbered as past even now.

peace

The bible can be confusing which is why we have biblical scholars. What he made easy to understand is salvation. A good theology comes afterward.

There is to much historical evidence for the son, there are suggestive arguments for the father.

I am going to assume when you say 'son' that you are referring to Jesus.

What Evidence? What evidence is there that Jesus actually existed? What evidence is there that Jesus is true, why not the Egyptian god Horus, or any of the other gods that share their story with Jesus. not to mention that Christians can't even agree on the time period that Jesus was supposed to be alive in.

I know....to much to expect anyone to let people be what they are huh?