the speaking of each one their own belief, is each but speaking their reality???

the only tell of what accept another, as is, unconditionally, is WHAT DOES NOT GIVE COMMANDMENTS, AND PRECISE ACTIONS TO DO???

no wisdom, no god, no love, need give a commandment or direction of another's life, as it BELIEVE GOD IS IN CONTROL OF ALL LIVE'S, and see's each thing human is A SON AND DAUGHTER OF GREATER, AS GOD, as if self believe it is of god, and exclude anything else, then it exclude itself, by all spoken words from within the place they gathered all their knowing of something called god.

it is only but self professed wisdom, that try to steer toward a particlar action as good, as the knowing of the heart, of what is real, decide each thing for ITSELF, the next best MOVE, ON THE CHESSBOARD OF LIFE.

peace girl

ummmmm huh????

look no one is perfect. any christian or anyone else tells you they are...not right.

we are human and go through human problems and screw up...guees what??? i'm there

doesn't mean i'm less of who i am

yes, the mind say as such, but there is more, hidden behind the veil of self, and show this is perfect, and is precisely devised to being forth such, and when it is come forth, the true self is no longer bound, by believing for one second, that there is any such thing called a mistake.

this is only for you to see how you are more, not less.

this allow you to see how other's are more, which give self the sight, of all this is good and can never diminish nor be taken.

it shall be dear one.

i will never pretend to know al the answersor do the right things (trust me...i am going the opposite right now) but i'll be damned if anyone takes what i believe away....or tries too

why the constant "panic" that someone or something is trying to steal away your belief???

i care not what you believe, lol...

what you believe is perfect, as long as it is what makes you happy...

what is any tell of a good belief, less it be based on joy and happiness???

what more can be said.

no hun...it's just how i take certain posts, it's all me no one else

it's more of what i;m going through right now more than any posts. i know i take them personally...that again is all on me

doll....if i knew what made me happy....do you think i'd be going through everything now?

i will be thinking better tomorrow...but news flash to everyone...no one is perfect including Christians. i wil admit to my struggles and i'm willing to bet that nayone else....wouldn't be handling it as well as me....and that doens;t day much

i won't tell someone they are wrong because that's not me....good or bad.

all is well, and in perfect order, moving precisely to the infinite clock, that set all time, and all things, in perfect place.

According to Luke Johnson, a New Testament scholar at Emory University,

Even the most critical historian can confidently assert that a Jew named Jesus worked as a teacher and wonder-worker in Palestine during the reign of Tiberius, was executed by crucifixion under the prefect Pontius Pilate and continued to have followers after his death.{1}



"Luke is the gospel writer who writes most self-consciously as an historian. In the preface to this work he writes:

Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things which have been accomplished among us, just as they were delivered to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may know the truth concerning the things of which you have been informed."


1. There was insufficient time for legendary influences to expunge the historical facts. The interval of time between the events themselves and recording of them in the gospels is too short to have allowed the memory of what had or had not actually happened to be erased.

2. The gospels are not analogous to folk tales or contemporary "urban legends." Tales like those of Paul Bunyan and Pecos Bill or contemporary urban legends like the "vanishing hitchhiker" rarely concern actual historical individuals and are thus not analogous to the gospel narratives.

3. The Jewish transmission of sacred traditions was highly developed and reliable. In an oral culture like that of first century Palestine the ability to memorize and retain large tracts of oral tradition was a highly prized and highly developed skill. From the earliest age children in the home, elementary school, and the synagogue were taught to memorize faithfully sacred tradition. The disciples would have exercised similar care with the teachings of Jesus.

4. There were significant restraints on the embellishment of traditions about Jesus, such as the presence of eyewitnesses and the apostles’ supervision. Since those who had seen and heard Jesus continued to live and the tradition about Jesus remained under the supervision of the apostles, these factors would act as a natural check on tendencies to elaborate the facts in a direction contrary to that preserved by those who had known Jesus.

5. The Gospel writers have a proven track record of historical reliability.



"C. S. Lewis was right when he said,

A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic--on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg--or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was and is the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us."

So they say that a Jew named Jesus lived, and died at the time most commonly believed to be when he lived(If he lived). It does not make him the Jesus of the bible. You still don't answer the question of how many Christians believe Jesus lived 100 years earlier.



Writing like a Historian does not make one a Historian. I have read many works of fiction, that have a historic feel to the writing.



Too short? We are talking about AT LEAST 35+ years in between the supposed death, and the writing of the first gospel(which all others are based off of) At the time of Jesus' supposed life, 35 years is at least One generation coming and going. That is plenty of time for the story, if even true, to be changed.



So many of the stories in the Bible are so far-fetched that this point is really laughable. Jonas living in the whale for 3 days is possible, but Jack and the Beanstalk isn't? I have read many a story with real people as the main characters, that were complete works of fiction.



The ability to memorize something because of faith, does not make it true. Simply because a lot of Jews said it, does not make it true, especially if the first person to tell the story was a liar.



You have yet to even touch on any of the other gods who share their story with Jesus. What makes Jesus any more real than Horus, the Egyptian god who went thru Jesus' exact story 1000 years prior to Jesus?
Also, this goes with the point made from above, word of mouth does not make it true, especially when everything that was said is only in one book...



Again, this is laughable. So much of the bible is only written in the bible, and is no where else in History. Moses. The Jews walking in the desert for 40 years, the Murder of the Innocents..
Just because it name-drops people we know existed does not make it historically reliable.





All this quote really says is that Jesus was the son of god, because people believed him.


That doesn't make him the son of God, that makes the believer equally delusional as he was.

You have given almost zero counter evidence to the points I made. A good deal of what you say is taken on faith.

Here let me go further into this. "There was insufficient time for legendary influences to expunge the historical facts. No modern scholar thinks of the gospels as bald-faced lies, the result of a massive conspiracy. The only place you find such conspiracy theories of history is in sensationalist, popular literature or former propaganda from behind the Iron Curtain. When you read the pages of the New Testament, there’s no doubt that these people sincerely believed in the truth of what they proclaimed. Rather ever since the time of D. F. Strauss, sceptical scholars have explained away the gospels as legends. Like the child’s game of telephone, as the stories about Jesus were passed on over the decades, they got muddled and exaggerated and mythologized until the original facts were all but lost. The Jewish peasant sage was transformed into the divine Son of God.

One of the major problems with the legend hypothesis, however, which is almost never addressed by sceptical critics, is that the time between Jesus’s death and the writing of the gospels is just too short for this to happen. This point has been well-explained by A. N. Sherwin-White in his book Roman Society and Roman Law in the New Testament.""Professor Sherwin-White is not a theologian; he is a professional historian of times prior to and contemporaneous with Jesus. According to Sherwin-White, the sources for Roman and Greek history are usually biased and removed one or two generations or even centuries from the events they record. Yet, he says, historians reconstruct with confidence the course of Roman and Greek history. For example, the two earliest biographies of Alexander the Great were written by Arrian and Plutarch more than 400 years after Alexander’s death, and yet classical historians still consider them to be trustworthy. The fabulous legends about Alexander the Great did not develop until during the centuries after these two writers. According to Sherwin-White, the writings of Herodotus enable us to determine the rate at which legend accumulates, and the tests show that even two generations is too short a time span to allow legendary tendencies to wipe out the hard core of historical facts. When Professor Sherwin-White turns to the gospels, he states that for the gospels to be legends, the rate of legendary accumulation would have to be "unbelievable." More generations would be needed.

In fact, adding a time gap of two generations to Jesus’s death lands you in the second century, just when the apocryphal gospels begin to appear. These do contain all sorts of fabulous stories about Jesus, trying to fill in the years between his boyhood and his starting his ministry, for example. These are the obvious legends sought by the critics, not the biblical gospels.

This point becomes even more devastating for skepticism when we recall that the gospels themselves use sources that go back even closer to the events of Jesus’s life. For example, the story of Jesus’s suffering and death, commonly called the Passion Story, was probably not originally written by Mark. Rather Mark used a source for this narrative. Since Mark is the earliest gospel, his source must be even earlier. In fact, Rudolf Pesch, a German expert on Mark, says the Passion source must go back to at least AD 37, just seven years after Jesus’s death."

Or again, Paul in his letters hands on information concerning Jesus about his teaching, his Last Supper, his betrayal, crucifixion, burial, and resurrection appearances. Paul’s letters were written even before the gospels, and some of his information, for example, what he passes on in his first letter to the Corinthian church about the resurrection appearances, has been dated to within five years after Jesus’s death. It just becomes irresponsible to speak of legends in such cases.

"The Gospel writers have a proven track record of historical reliability. Again I only have time to look at one example: Luke. Luke was the author of a two-part work: the Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles. These are really one work and are separated in our Bibles only because the church grouped the gospels together in the New Testament. Luke is the gospel writer who writes most self-consciously as an historian. In the preface to this work he writes:

Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things which have been accomplished among us, just as they were delivered to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may know the truth concerning the things of which you have been informed.
This preface is written in classical Greek terminology such as was used by Greek historians; after this Luke switches to a more common Greek. But he has put his reader on alert that he can write, should he wish to, like the learned historian. He speaks of his lengthy investigation of the story he’s about to tell and assures us that it is based on eyewitness information and is accordingly the truth.

Now who was this author we call Luke? He was clearly not an eyewitness to Jesus’s life. But we discover an important fact about him from the book of Acts. Beginning in the sixteenth chapter of Acts, when Paul reaches Troas in modern-day Turkey, the author suddenly starts using the first-person plural: "we set sail from Troas to Samothrace," "we remained in Philippi some days," "as we were going to the place of prayer," etc. The most obvious explanation is that the author had joined Paul on his evangelistic tour of the Mediterranean cities. In chapter 21 he accompanies Paul back to Palestine and finally to Jerusalem. What this means is that the author of Luke-Acts was in fact in first hand contact with the eyewitnesses of Jesus’s life and ministry in Jerusalem. Sceptical critics have done back-flips to try to avoid this conclusion. They say that the use of the first-person plural in Acts should not be taken literally; it’s just a literary device which is common in ancient sea voyage stories. Never mind that many of the passages in Acts are not about Paul’s sea voyage, but take place on land! The more important point is that this theory, when you check it out, turns out to be sheer fantasy.{4} There just was no literary device of sea voyages in the first person plural--the whole thing has been shown to be a scholarly fiction! There is no avoiding the conclusion that Luke-Acts was written by a traveling companion of Paul who had the opportunity to interview eyewitnesses to Jesus’s life while in Jerusalem. Who were some of these eyewitnesses? Perhaps we can get some clue by subtracting from the Gospel of Luke everything found in the other gospels and seeing what is peculiar to Luke. What you discover is that many of Luke’s peculiar narratives are connected to women who followed Jesus: people like Joanna and Susanna, and significantly, Mary, Jesus’s mother.

Was the author reliable in getting the facts straight? The book of Acts enables us to answer that question decisively. The book of Acts overlaps significantly with secular history of the ancient world, and the historical accuracy of Acts is indisputable. This has recently been demonstrated anew by Colin Hemer, a classical scholar who turned to New Testament studies, in his book The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History. {5}Hemer goes through the book of Acts with a fine-toothed comb, pulling out a wealth of historical knowledge, ranging from what would have been common knowledge down to details which only a local person would know. Again and again Luke’s accuracy is demonstrated: from the sailings of the Alexandrian corn fleet to the coastal terrain of the Mediterranean islands to the peculiar titles of local officials, Luke gets it right. According to Professor Sherwin-White, "For Acts the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming. Any attempt to reject its basic historicity even in matters of detail must now appear absurd."{6} The judgement of Sir William Ramsay, the world-famous archaeologist, still stands: "Luke is a historian of the first rank . . . . This author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians."{7} Given Luke’s care and demonstrated reliability as well as his contact with eyewitnesses within the first generation after the events, this author is trustworthy.

On the basis of the five reasons I listed, we are justified in accepting the historical reliability of what the gospels say about Jesus unless they are proven to be wrong. At the very least, we cannot assume they are wrong until proven right. The person who denies the gospels’ reliability must bear the burden of proof."

There are certain historical facts about Jesus life, death, and ressurection that cannot be denied.


1 Corinthians 15

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. 6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

This is the creed Paul received probably right after his conversion.
This creed was most likely circulating within a year of Christ's ressurection.

jesus was but a man, and the son of god, as each human man, the same soure these stories are taken from, is called as son of god, and each women a daughter of god, and each thing born, be a "least of these", as it was spoken rightfully so, ALL YE ARE GODS.

the only thing that determine any faith, in anything called god, is "all are children of god", and only this faith shall remain, after all the doctrine and dogma is sqeezed out of the mind, once input but to convince of self as pure, and each other as not.

there is but only one sentence needed that destroy the notion that JESUS was the ONLY son of god.

"ye are all gods".

jesus was indeed "a" son of god, as each human thing that have life is, just as "all are children of god" attest to.

just as jesus spoke, "what ye have done unto the 'least' of these, ye have done unto me", attest to the same as well, the statement having been made to those TRYING to make "HIM" THE ONLY GOD...

the practice of worshipping ONE man as greater than another, being the very essence of all teaching's jesus was against, KNOWING that ALL SELF EMPOWERING ENTITIES, USE SUCH THINGS TO PERPETUATE IT'S OWN POWER INTEREST ABOVE ALL, to detract and deflect, from any scrutiny of anything outside of itself.

what is god???

anything that human man cannot create of it's own human power???

does not human breath, human life, fall into this category???

is not each thing born as from a virgin, unto and into a "virgin life", and into a virgin territory called earth???

is not each human thing as "one of a kind", so each only begotten as original, sent into a human body???

how can it be misssed, that if each thing live, and life come from "god", and this same "god" mentioned, was said to know the "beginning and ending" of EACH thing, before it is created???

then how cannnot each thing that is as "sent", or coming to be as "human", then come not from god and be of god, as each male a son of god, and each female a daughter of god, WITHOUT PRETEXT OR CONDITION???

indeed, ALL statements of jesus affirm but the same.

if one believe in "god", then does it not deem this god it believe in, a perfect god???

then how is any life sent, as from some purtorted evil source, or not of god, and all not equal, by some belief making it so???

does not the belief itself, that cause and perpetuate such, become suspect of what be false, and of all evil perpetuation???

what is evil, except first hated amoungst mankind???

what is hatred amoungst mankind, but what teach man to be divided against itself, and not as being but one and equal???

what then create the opposite of god, called as satan???

is it not what divide the house against itself, EACH HUMAN THING AS A HOUSE, and the house being mankind as a whole???

if something deem itself as from evil, from being told from outside source itself is, HAS NOT OUTSIDE TEACHING DIVIDED THE HOUSE???

is this not the very teaching then that "legion" must have heard, to ALLOW HIS MIND TO DOUBT ITSELF AS EVIL, SO THEN BECOME PREY TO IT???

does such not coincide with all such as legion within society, as all having been very much endoctrinated with such things FIRST???

are not ALL things spoken as to the "sight" of god, as;

ALL MAN EQUAL, and then later...

ALL YE ARE GODS...

ALL ARE CHILDREN OF GOD...

"EACH" HAVE BEEN GIVEN A MEASURE OF FAITH...

INDEED, FAITH IN THINGS GOOD TO COME, OR EVEN IN EVIL TO COME, KEEP HUMAN THINKING ALIVE, SO WALKING, SO FAITH IN ITSELF, IS FIRST MORE LIFE ITSELF, THAN ANYTHING ELSE, AS IF SELF IS STILL ALIVE, THEN IT HAS FAITH.

DO NOT ALL SUCH THINGS ONLY SAY ALL HUMAN'S ARE TO BE CONSIDERED AS EQUAL, SO THEN ONLY "BELIEF", THAT ENCOURAGE AND PROMOTE SOME AS LESS, AS MORE EVIL, AS UNCLEAN, AS NOT OF GOD, CREATE THE VERY FIRST BELIEF WITHIN, IN THOSE THAT ARE SEEN DOING, WHAT IS CALLED AS EVIL???

IF ONE IS TAUGHT IT IS EVIL, SINCE ALL HUMAN BEHAVIOUR IS CREATED FROM BELIEF, THEN WILL NOT ITSELF BE CONVINCED OF THIS THE MORE, WHEN IT'S OWN MIND REPEATS BACK TO ITSELF, THE MANY THINGS ITSELF HEARD???

is it not that all come from EQUAL SOURCE, and only this, "NOT being maintained", create the very evil that lurk within self-professed holier minds, that seek out data, to shore and prop up it's own belief of self goodness, by finding words, that serve and prove another is lower, and therefore render these as prey to the mind, when it whisper to do evil, ONLY COMING FROM HEARING AND SEEING ALL SUCH THINGS FROM SOURCES OUTSIDE OF ITSELF???

do not all such things spoken by jesus himself, only affirm there is NO SINGLE SUPREME DIETY, nor EVER WAS.

indeed, many things deeper, as to the understanding of why such would be allowed, by any divinity, is rightfullly difficult to grasp, but would this in itself, have any bearing on the first truth, that each is a singular diety, and all diety's, as all children of god, each effecting each other, answer one to another, no other thing possible, less there was but one human alive???

in a family, or company, or government, do not all answer to each other, if there is not demagogeury???

indeed, does not the very notion that jesus was the "ONLY SON OF GOD", first CREATE THE EVIL, AND TORTUROUS INCENTIVE, TO FOLLOW SOME AS GOOD, AND DISTAIN OTHER'S OF THE SAME SPIECE'S, WHICH CREATE HATE NOT LOVE???

how does such match or confirm the saying, THAT GOD IS LOVE???

DO NOT such teaching's ONLY PROVIDE WHAT GIVE CREEDENCE, TO GLASS HOUSES BUILT ON AND OF FALSE TEACHINGS, OF DEMAGOGEURY, THAT ONLY SERVE TO PROP UP SELF APPOINTED 'SCHOLAR'S AND EXPERT'S', WHO'S OWN LIFE AND LIVELIHOOD IS BUILT UPON IT???

IS NOT SUCH AGAINST ANY AND ALL POSSIBLE TRUTH BEING MADE KNOWN OR EQUAL, AND DEFAME THE VERY NOTION OF ALL LOVE, EQUALITY, AND TRUE EQUAL JUSTICE???

HOW IS IT MISSSED, that to call jesus the only god, go against the very teaching's of the same one professed to be the ONLY GOD???

was not jesus only confirming trying to impart good and better knowing of more truth, that would not allow distain, so divide, so hatred, so destruction of people's in the name of self belief, and again, self belief the same as all who agree only with a agenda or belief of some, and not of all???

such things only continue the long tradition of using spoken words to affirm some as better, and destroy other's, and giving "self appointed power", power over what it deem as less worthy than itself???

such deluge of fountains of hatred, implicitly and methodically and incrementally build hatred, from the ground up, and instill it within the brain, having the same effect of boiling a frog alive, from cold to hot, never allowing any true sight of how such is effecting the brain, and biasing it from inception, by false belief, unto hatred.

such brought forth and spread unto the people's of the world, shall call down true infinite sight and power, that shall shut up the founatins that perpetuate hatred and bloodshed and unequality and distain, used by self indulgent holy and righteouss oracles, for self lifting and personal gain, and the yoke of such devious delusion's, that only sought to prosper itself, bring to bear all current history to tick and tock, to destroy and shatter such illusions, all things presently at work being according to infinite perfect timing, by infinite perfect gesture, to shatter such false self satisfying agenda, to allow the truth, EQUALITY, to finally come forth, and reign surpreme.

anything forced or coerced or encouraged to believe in god, is oppressed, by self appointed oppressor's, seeing not that WITHOUT PROOF, the EVIDENCE of TRUTH BELIEVED, there can be nothing but delusion.