Well of course its true, look at ANY definition of almost any word today, there are a dozen meanings that if taken to produce logic can create contradictions.

Certainly not rocket science to understand this. I also don't think any rational theist's take the parable as science.

A world wide flood even with a Pangaea scenario cannot be accounted for in either geology, or even basic physics.

Even mentioning Pangaea shows a HUGE lack in understanding of time scales related to this kind of geological change. A VAST array of scientific disciplines fully support the age of the earth, the fossil record, geology, and evolution.

The fossil record would be VASTLY different if a world wide flood had occurred.

There is no rational argument for a world wide flood, nor genesis.

Hello read the last part of my post again !


"but the fact is no matter what i say you will twist it to your anti-christ p.o.v. On with your worldy lives of shallow emptyness and shame on you who claim to be Christians that side with the enemy !"


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if one love an enemey, then there is no enemey???

I dont believe the flood was global, but local.

OK So what's up with the name calling?

Totally uncalled for. Jean may be alot of things but an idiot is not one of them. She is very smart, caring, and good person.
This thread is not about name calling and judging. And just because someone's religion is different, does not make them an idiot.

One must understand the 3 SEPERATE earth ages of time. Only then can one understand pre-existence and election, the 6000 years, and the actual age of the earth.

Peter spoke of it:

3:3 Having first of all the knowledge that in the last days there will be men who, ruled by their evil desires, will make sport of holy things,
3:4 Saying, Where is the hope of his coming? From the death of the fathers till now everything has gone on as it was from the making of the world.
3:5 But in taking this view they put out of their minds the memory that in the old days there was a heaven, and an earth lifted out of the water and circled by water, by the word of God;
3:6 And that the world which then was came to an end through the overflowing of the waters.
3:7 But the present heaven and the present earth have been kept for destruction by fire, which is waiting for them on the day of the judging and destruction of evil men.

There have actually been 2 floods in our earths past. The first flood wiped out the entire 1st earth age and NOTHING survived. It was very sudden - a polar shift - that is why the earths axis is still at an angle. It explains why mammoths were found FLASH FROZEN with buttercups still in their mouth. It explains sea fossils found on mountain tops, palm tree fossils at the north pole - the entire earth once had a perfectly lush tropical temp.

In Gen, the earth BECAME void and without form. It wasn't created that way. His spirit hovered over the waters of the flood. The earth was RENEWED. It had to be REPLENISHED. We all existed in that age and now have no memory of it, so that we'll all have a fair chance of redemption. The ELECT are the ones who stood for Yahweh then, and will again - they've ALREADY proven themselves worthy. This is why Yah hated Esua - because of what he did in that earth age - while Jacob had a good past. This is why many get caught up in reincarnation.

It is only this present earth age that is 6000 years. Man in the flesh. We were spirit in the first age - to flesh for the 2nd - and back to spirit in the 3rd earth age (the Milleneum).

Hope this all makes sense.

history and all words confirms many things you say, however, if the "conscious" or "carnel" mind can just "see" to "open itself", to all incoming data, without FEAR of deception, then the MEMORY IS ALIVE OF ALL THINGS IN PAST, AND PRESENT, AND FUTURE???

the "fear" of deception keep out some, the love of "self" data keep out some, BUT ONLY UNTIL THE PRE-DESTINATED TIME???

NONE CAN BE KEPT OUT "ETERNALLY", as all come first from eternal, so must then return to it???

can lessor make itself???

ONLY GREATER CAN MAKE LESSOR???

what be lessor except "lessor sight", no different than a parent that does not discuss sex until the appropriate PARENT INTENDED "day and hour"???

so then god made the rainbow as a promise to never flood that area again?
Thats not much of a miracle.

No, the rainbow just says:

"Everything will be alright."

Now that I could agree with. There is nothing to indicate that the flood was not on a large scale but simply localized. It is also very possible that there was an older man named Noah who built some kind of large flotation device and loaded a bunch of his farm animals onto it. In biblical times, your animals were your livelihood. I farm myself and I have valuable animals called "alpaca." so I understand this. If I thought a huge flood was coming I would load them up and do everything I could to keep them afloat.

When you view this story in those terms, it seems feasible. It was perhaps a legend that simply grew to enormous scale. Isn’t that what defines a "legend"? You have to remember that to these people, this area of the Middle East DID in fact represent the world to them.

I think the story of the flood was pure legend because long before Noah this legend was told all over the world and has been told long long before Noah was ever born. Hence even if it is a true story, it has been moved into another time frame, hence it becomes a legend.

I was taught that the rainbow was the bow of Artemis.

Then there will never be proof. There can only exist faith. Without the use of science you will be stuck in the same circular argument you always have been.

Yes Faith, Krimsa.

And that Faith Comes By Hearing and Hearing by the WORD of God...

which is what Ddrgkd is doing.....which is, sharing the actual WORD...

and NOT just giving a bunch of man's opinion on here.

MS I sent him an email with a few passages. He said he was not familiar with those.