Jesus states in the new testement Matthew 5:17-19 (King James Version)

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And as for public stoning? Well i'm all for public execution of criminals who commit murder, and adultery.(adultery in the sense of outside of the covenant of your own marriage) I'm too tired to continue this conversation right now, there are many verses in the bible to back my point , but the fact is no matter what i say you will twist it to your anti-christ p.o.v. On with your worldy lives of shallow emptyness and shame on you who claim to be Christians that side with the enemy !

Hello? I'm a Christian.

"Hello? I'm a Christian. "



Hello read the last part of my post again !

"Hello? I'm a Christian. "



Hello read the last part of my post again !


"but the fact is no matter what i say you will twist it to your anti-christ p.o.v. On with your worldy lives of shallow emptyness and shame on you who claim to be Christians that side with the enemy !"

The point in my post especially about my beliefs is not intended to attack anyone elses beliefs but to simply state my opinion on the subject. I have found myself on the defense in a couple threads now and bow out gracefully as not to create any animosity or strife. I don't hate anyone and everyones point is valid. Some things need a break to reconsider.

You see right there you have a person who has set his life up as some kind of war with anyone who is not what he considers to be a "Christian" and probably with anyone who does not agree with his particular brand of Christian doctrine.

He also assumes that anyone who does not live as he lives then must be leading "shallow empty worldly lives."

How special.

Yeah, the Earth is only 6000 years old. Don't let those fossils fool you...or those excavations of inhabited sites that are tens of thousands of years old...or any of that other "devil" science stuff.

Try this on for size, in a physics sort of way.
The Earth has never had enough moisture in the history of ever to completely flood the planet above mountains. A physical impossibility.
In fact, if the Earth HAD experienced a flood of that magnitude, the atmospheric pressure would have been rendered so heavy that no land animals could survive....I'm just sayin'

Right, there is no proper science to back up a young earth, end of story.

wow, your a credit to your religion.

Heya Husky.. :D Check out what Nubby said about the Yom.

About the flood.. I can't explain it scientifically, but we couldn't explain what kept the stars in the sky until the invention of the telescope, 2000 yrs. after Job had already claimed they were suspended in space (no strings). It takes man a very long time to find truths in science, and even what you wrote above about the flood conditions is still debated within the scientific community.

I think I'd have to educate myself on the Pangaea development and sea levels at the time to really understand, too. But I'm not willing to just listen to a few one-sided opinions either when there's so much truth in science to back the Bible up.

When you delete the offenders post, it just gets rid of the evidence. By then, the damage is already done. What is going on ?

What do you mean Jeannie?

Actually the story of Genesis is, even at first glance, absurd.

First let us look at the ark built by Noah. Genesis 6:15 gives its measurements as 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high. The length of the cubit is based on the length of the human forearm and varies among the various ancient cultures. For instance, the Babylonian cubit was approximately 0.53 metres, the Roman cubit was about 0.44 metres while the Hebrew cubit was about 0.56 metres. Using the Hebrew cubit the ark would have measured 168 metres long, 28 metres wide and 17 metres high. There are two problems with this ark as described: it is both too big and too small at the same time.

It is too big, because before the invention of steel, the wooden ark of Noah simply could not have been structurally sound and was thus unseaworthy. The longest wooden ship ever built (i.e. historically verified) was the USS Wyoming. This vessel, which was, at 110 meters long, a full 50% shorter than Noah’s ark, was found to be so unstable that it could only be used for short coastal hauls to avoid rough conditions further out in the sea. The huge structural stresses that developed in the USS Wyoming made the ship sag and, well, it leaked. Water thus had to be pumped out continuously to prevent the ship from sinking. Now, here we have Noah’s ark, built with wood, before the invention of steel and hydraulic pumps, undergoing the turbulent conditions of the flood unscathed. It is simply an engineering impossibility.

It is too small, because there is simply not enough room for all the animals. There are extant today over 4,500 species of mammals, 6,000 species of reptiles, 8,600 species of birds and 3,000 species of amphibians. Each of these have many large members: elephants, camels, rhinoceros, hippopotamasus, giraffes, horses, donkeys, zebras, cattle, bison, tapirs, pigs, tigers, lions, jaguars, panthers, sea lions, walruses, crocodiles, alligators, giant turtles, Komodo dragon, snakes, ostriches, emus, falcons and giant salamanders. There are 23,000 species of fishes, many of which will not be able to survive the flood if not taken up into the ark. Each kilogram of fish require about a cubic meter of water to survive-this is simply to provide enough oxygen and provide space for swimming while sleeping and feeding. The volume of water required for the fishes alone would be larger than the ark.[4] And then there are the little creatures; there are about a million species of insects and 60,000 species of arachnids. How were these species stored in the ark?

Other Impossibilities

Gathering all these animals would be a problem. Genesis 7:11-15 makes it clear that the gathering of all the animals took only one twenty-four hour day. Thus each pair of animals have less than 1/10th of a second to get into the the ark. The question of pairs also raises the issue of organisms that simply don’t survive or reproduce in pairs: insects such as bees and flies.

Noah was also supposed to store food for these animals (Genesis 6:21). This presents another problem in terms of storage space and the actual variety required. A pair of elephants would require about 300 kgs of bulky greenery per day. Enough meat must be stored for the various carnivores such as tigers, lions, jaguars and panthers. The 10,000 species of termites would have to be fed to ensure that they do not consume the ship itself! The giant panda would have to be fed only bamboo shoots. The koala must be fed only fresh eucalyptus leaves. Animals such as snakes, penguins and bats need to be fed with living food; so Noah would need additional storage space for rats, fishes and insects for these creatures. Removing the wastes and excrements of the animals in the ark would provide a logistical nightmare. How could pairs of all these be taken up the ark and looked after by only eight people (Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives.)?

And what about terrestrial plants and vegetation? The immense weight of the flood water would have destroyed them all. What kept the plant alive through the flood? It is naive and pointless to say that God kept these alive by miraculous means; for what is the reason then for Noah building the ark? If God could keep the plants and the fresh water fishes alive without Noah taking them into the ark, He surely could have kept all the rest alive without needing the ark.

There are still more difficulties with the story. It fails to explain the distribution of animals after the flood; How did the animals know how to reach their respective habitat after the flood? What an amazing coincidence that almost all marsupials end up in Australia. Why did the penguins head for the south pole and not the north? Where did all the water go after the flood? What did the carnivores eat before the first pairs of their food have a chance to reproduce? What did the herbivores eat, since all the plants woulsd have died during the flood?

"what you wrote above about the flood conditions is still debated within the scientific community. "

Uh....no it isn't. Really. Not without huuuuge lapses of logic and massive leaps to conclusions
while dismissing scientific fact. Maybe the "scientists" at the Creationist Museum.

I don't want to piss in anyone Wheaties, but the Bible is parables and symbolism and wasn't meant to be taken literally.

....and just by the by, since we're talking semantics, if it is acknowledged that yom can mean day AND eon, then you must also admit that the Hebrew for thou SHALT can also mean thou MAYEST. This could potentially reclassify the Ten Commandments as the Ten Strong Suggestions.
I don't really buy that, but if we're splitting hairs.....

The ten commandments are only ten suggestions. Otherwise free will has no meaning if the wages of sin is death, and you are put to death for breaking a commandment... there is no free will intended. Only obedience is required for the slaves.

And the people of Moses and Joshua were slaves. That kind of thing was something they really understood.

Gotcha.. Not totally against the beliefs of Christians, either.. b/c 10 commandments aren't what brings salvation, according to our beliefs. However, I believe that if it's real, you'll want to do what is right anyway.

I came here to edit a post and apologize to jean but it looks like it's gone. so on that note my apologies to jeanniebean, for my inappropriate remark. U really pushed my buttons and i thank you for showing me something in my character weakness i needed to still work on