Are you Saved?


You will understand when you have turned to Jesus.

The reason I put bible verses on here is so you will know what I’m talking about. It is easy to be Saved all you have to do is ask and believe the lord died for you and rose three days latter. If you will do that you will be saved.

I do keep telling people of Christ’s salvation. That is what the Lord wants me to do.

MATTHEW 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

MARK 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

LUKE 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

JOHN 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

GALATIANS 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

2TIMOTHY 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

PHILEMON 1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

I can tell he is new here.

Do you believe Christ died for you? If not why do you care so much that I tell of Christ’s salvation.

MATTHEW 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

MARK 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

JOHN 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

ROMANS 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

No absolutely not. I believe that Jesus was a mortal man who denounced the ways of the Old Testament and was murdered for his 'blaspheme' of a religion. I do not believe that Jesus was "The Christ". Nor do I even believe that the myth that claims there is a 'Christ' is true.




Because it's not about salvation at all.

It's about organized bigotry in the name of Jesus and using Jesus to prop up the very doctrine the he clearly denounced himself.

The religion is a farce. It's not about Jesus in the first place. If it's about anything it's about the wrath of the God of Abraham.

Who needs salvation?

Salvation from what?

The only thing we could possibly need salvation from is the wrath of God himself!

I have come to know God as an equal. And that's the ONLY WAY that it can be if you think about it.

If God supposedly GAVE us the GIFT of life, then it's OUR life!

Otherwise God didn't GIVE us anything!

The idea of a God who demands how we live our lives is an idea of a God who never GAVE anyone anything.

If you aren't an equal with God then all you are is a puppet.

In fact, that's precisely what the religion that you preach demands.

But it's not about any God at all. It's all about becoming a bigot in the name of Jesus to denounce everyone who doesn't accept a particular religion as having rejected God.

It's bigotry gone MAD.

Wake up and realize that you've been duped by a bunch of ancient men who were bigoted toward women, same-gender love, and toward anyone who refused to embrace their bigotry!

You've been suckered in to a bigoted brainwashing scheme that is clearly unholy and ungodly.

How can you support the Bible when it demands that God is a bigot?

That's an insult to the creator of this universe.

There are far better pictures of God than this idea of being in need of savlavtion from the wrath of a bigoted jealous egotistical godhead who wants to be the king of kings and the lord of lords.

Think about it.

What sense does it make that the creator of this universe is a bigot with an unquenchable ego who demands that everyone does HIS WILL?

What kind of a 'gift' of life would that be?

I'd rather atheism be true than the Mediterranean picture of God. That picture is truly sick IMHO.

If that's what God is really like, then there is no God. Such a God would be Satan himself.

yea, i believe in christ, and that the story tell of what HE SEEN IMPORTANT???

and i see the same as important???

and what you say is the opposite, so that is why it matters to me???

furthermore, to baptize another is the "baptism" is to shower them with your life the things that the father, or greater awareness was, then of the the son, what the prodical learned while hear on earth, by seeing for a time thru a HOLIER THAN THOU sight or perception, WHICH THEN TEACH HOW TO SPOT WHAT IS LESS LOVE, INSTEAD OF MORE LOVE???

so what need to speak of another about some doctrine, IF ONE HAS BECOME ONE WITH GOOD DOCTRINE, has it not then been turned to unconditional love???

what is the purpose of your doctrine to create???

oh, converts to god to help self believe it is mo' better, and to add to the riches and blessings of the father, this cursed belief that use others words twisted and put into a nice neat row, to read how itself wish it to believe???

does not text say NOT TO INTERPRET THE TEXT???

not to debate it???

then why do you line up the words, all in a row, the row you decide to put them in, and say this is how and what god meant???

so then why do you preach out one side of your mouth as if you follow the text, then show out the other side, it's belief's are as far removed from the real saying as possible, and even as night and day is opposed to each other???

did not the same christ say ALL YE ARE GODS???

then HOW DO YOU SPEAK AS IF YOU ARE FAVORED OF GOD, AND OTHERS ARE NOT OF SIGHT, AND DEEM SELF AS FOLLOWING THE BOOK AND INTERPRETER OF IT???

what the hell i care about is of no matter to one that care as well itself, but only one that serve a belief, and see not the lives of others as being "EFFECTED BY ALL WORDS", say to another, "why do you care what i say"???

of course, this speak words saying these come from one called god, and tell others to heed, or else they are not of god???

who the hell in their right mind would not care, as such filth of perdition is the very essence of "belief" that struck the first nail in the hand of your "image" you serve of jesus???

what doctrine any speak matter not to me, but does not each love and care for each other, and depise belief as lies that suvbert love within the family of the world???

but this sight is not known to you, as the peoples of the world, and of your city, and of your town, and of your own family, can not even be accpeted with the belief's you cast forth with your mouth as words of love???

behold dearest would be saint....

all others must be seen and known to be a saint before one should crown oneself one???

it is easily understand the reason it is thought that "oneself is "saved" from _____________ by christ dying on the cross???

is seems what one insert here as self motive, tell the tail???

if christ was "sent" to "save" the world from "sins", then who did he "rebuke of sin" when he was here???

was it NOT THE HOLY INTERPRETERS OF TEXT???

was it not any that said to the people, you are of god, and you are not, so YOU MUST DO THIS TO BE OF GOD, OR GOD IS DISPLEASED???

then HOW IS NOT "THIS PRACTICE" WHAT CHRSIT DIED TO SHOW THE WORLD WAS LESS LOVE OR MORE LOVE???

TO SHOW WHAT WAS HATE AND LOVE, DISGUISED BY SHREWD DONTRINES???

DID HE NOT DIE TO EXPOSE SUCH VERY THINGS AS THESE???

one would think the SAME ONE'S DOING AND SPEAKING SUCHN THINGS HE GOT MAD AT KILLING HIM WOULD TELL THE TAIL???

THOUGHTS HELD AS SOME BELIEF OF GOOD BECAUSE THEY WERE FOUND IN A BOOK, THAT HAS "INFINITE INTERPRETATIONS AVAILABLE, IF ONE "THINK" AS GOD, AS SIGHT OF "GOD" WAS SAID TO BE "ALL THINGS POSSIBLE"???

so how does self see only ONE BELIEF, THE ONE IT PICK, TO BE THE ONLY THING AS POSSIBLE IN THE UNIVERSE AND GALAXIE???

it seems there was one most saying of any belief that was NOT OF GOD, WHICH WAS THE BELIEF OF ANYTHING, THAT MAKE IT BELIEVE ALL OTHERS WORDS ARE OF LESS, AND IGNORANCE, EXCEPT SELF BELIEF???

use the sight of 6.7 billion as true, and this be a much better barometer of true reality, than thinking the sight of 1 in 6.7 billion better???

oh, minus the rest that believe as self of course, so minus them off, as these are no more than an extension of self???

how can belief's taken from the book as these you speak, not make self believe all others are not of christ, which deny again the most fundemental property of all things made, that ONE CANNOT EQUAL BETTER THAN ANOTHER, OR THERE IS DIVIDE???

does not the whole galaxie attest to the same things, as all things in it are made of both good and bad, and opposites, and did not this god you think you serve make all of it???

would not this then affirm the saying "in the sight of god all man is created equal"???

and man in the "god" book was both male and female???

we are just speaking of reasoning here to me, BUT TRUELY, ANY THAT FOLLOW THE GOOD BOOK BELIEVE THIS IS AS AN IMMUNITY TO ANSWERING TO IT'S VERY OWN SIBLINGS, TO WHAT ITSELF TELL OTHER SIBLINGS, ONLY AND ALWAYS SAYING THAT IS WHAT THE BOOK SAY???

well, it's just a couple of things, placed in good order for what justify what self WANT TO BELIEVE???

did it not say to eat the book was sweet, but in the tummy is was as bitter???

what is the bitter except seeing one bought a story hook line and sinker, that totally deny's the truth of the book, even in it most leaving all are as children, and WHAT IS SIN FOR ONE IS NOT SIN FOR ANOTHER???

so, what be the list of sins you seek to see BEFORE DECIDING WHICH ONE TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO???

further more, did it not also speak, the GOOD NEWS???

and also saying to free the slaves???

slaves to what???

the same **** your preaching???

just one cent, but then you interpret your book in such a way, that this one voice mean nothing, IF IT DOES NOT CONCUR WITH YOUR BELIEF???

does it appear WHAT WOULD BE IF EACH IN THE WORLD DID THIS AND WHAT WOULD BE MADE???

come one man, it is easy to fall prey to, but even harder to leave, as this is the whole reality that has been used to shape the entire purpose of the life, to serve a GOD IN THE SKY, when text said GOD IS EACH ONE MET ON THE ROAD IN A DAY???

something smells fishy in hear, as fish dead and dying from such stagnet things once as these called as truth of love of god.......

ask yourself, did paul call himself a christian or chief of the sinners???

wonder why???

if man was less knowing then before christ came in days past, then should not any that be "of christ, be just as more knowing of such things that create divide and seperation of peoples as even more than christ was then???

the exact reason the book say that any that read to try to find "a saviour for self", will find it for sure, BUT IF ONE LAY DOWN ONE'S LIFE, as christ said to do, as HE DID, even unto dewath to stand against what created divide, then how does one SEEK THEN A SAVIOUR FOR SELF IN THE FIRST PLACE???

all are to be more knowing now........

"Christian" means Christ like. I am a sinner, I’m just telling of Christ’s salvation. Jesus saved my soul and all I’m doing is what the lord told me and I believe that is what Paul was saying also.

I won’t be free from sin until I die, none of us will. All Christians if they are following Christ have that "want to" to tell others of Christ’s Salvation.

Jesus Christ is our only savior. If you have not received Jesus Christ as savior just ask and believe he died for you.

DEUTERONOMY 11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, always.

MATTHEW 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

1CORINTHIANS 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures;

1TIMOTHY 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

2TIMOTHY 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

HEBREWS 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him ;

Ask for salvation if you have not asked? Again I ask that you read the Bible for yourself.

salvation from what???

are all children of god???

does the good book say ONE MUST READ TEXT TO BE A CHILD OF GOD???

in fact, it say any that read except those called by god to interpret, damn themself to eternal damnation of all the curse spoken within???

does it not also say ANY INTERPRETATION THAT DOES NOT SHOW HOW ALL ARE CHILDREN, IS OF SATAN AND THE ANTI-CHRIST, and from human perception called as perception of lucifer???

if one has sin until they die, then guess salvation from not sin is not the reason to be "saved"???

what is one reading the bible "for" is the question???

what do you want saved from???

death after human life, when text itself say all human life is immortal???

I have read the Bible for myself.

Why do you think that people who have rejected the Bible haven't read it?

You keep pulling out all these quotes of demagoguery and impolitely ramming them in the face of others.

Why not pulling out the quotes where God tells people to stone their unruly children to death?

Clearly you choice of verses to quote is extremely biased.

Moreover, what makes you think that other people feel like they need salvation?

What have you done that makes you so sure that God is upset with you?

I don't have any reason to believe that my creator is upset with me, and therefore the idea that I need to seek salavtion is utterly silly.

Yet you continue to insult people by telling them to read the Bible when in fact you have no clue what they might have already read or studied in depth.

That's quite arrogant of you.

Isaac Newton studied the Bible in great depth and came to the conclusion the Jesus could not have been the son of the God of Abraham.

Albert Einstein rejected the religion after having studied it.

Carl Sagan rejected the religion.

Richard Feynman rejected the religion.

In fact, there are many wise men who have rejected the religion as being totally foolish and obviously ungodly.

Do you think those men were rejecting God.

I think not.

Finally, you're not supposed to use these forums as a free podium to preach one specific religion.

Clearly you don't have the credentials or capacity to teach the religion though the proper channels.

It's against the rules to proselytize a religion on these forums. Do Christians not believe in obeying rules?

Obviously not. That's the only thing that truly comes through loud and clear, Christians have no respect for rules.

They think they are above the rules, and that's precisely what make their religion DANGEROUS.

Finally, you must think God is pretty pathetic if he needs you do save souls for him. That would truly be a pathetic and helpless God.

Don't you have any faith in God to save the people who DESERVE to be saved?

Obviously NOT.

As far as I'm concerned, any religion that needs to be proselytized by man cannot possibly be from God.

It's as simple as that.

....and so what's your point?

I think what many Christians fail to realize is that many great thinkers have thought about the Biblical picture of an angry jealous God that lusts to be worshipped.

It's a nonsensical picture.

It's a GAME-PLAYING God!

Supposedly this God creates you WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION!

Then he demands that you worship him or face eternal damanation.

That, my friends is NOT a benevolent God.

The bottom line is simple:

If this picture is true, I would rather atheism were true.

Therefore come "Judgement Day" I would simply tell this God that I don't like its games.

Period.

And as an intellectual compassionate person I would simply asked to be removed from the game altogether.

In other words, I would ask God to un-create me.

Make it like I had never existed, ever.

In this scenario I would have been used and abused WITHOUT MY PERMISSION.

I would actually have the RIGHT to demand this of any benevolent God.

Moreover, any fair and truly righteous benevolent God would necessarily need to grant my reqest.

Otherwise it would be neither righteous nor benevolent, but instead it would be a totally immoral abuser of the souls that it creates.

In short, if the Biblical pictuer of a God is TRUE, then it's not a benevolent God at all but a demonnic monster that doesn't CARE about anyone but its own egotistical wants and needs.

Clearly the Biblical picture of a God who demands that everyone cower down to it and beg for salvation is a farce.

No genuinely benevolent God could ever act in such a non-benevolent way.

Therefore, the biblical picture of a God who demands that everyone cower down to his will is not a benevolent God at all, but a MONSTER far worse than the mythical Satan in the same story.

The Bible cannot be the word of a benevolent God.

No benevolent God would send people to eternal damnation for being REASONABLE, and COMPASSIONATE people.

Yet, this is PRECISELY what the Bible demands of God.

The Bible is an abomnination of anything even remotely holy.

The Bible cannot be the word of any decent divine being.

It's just not possible. The story demands that God is a bloodthirsty egotistical monster who thrives on threatening people with eternal damnation.

I can't see why anyone would worship such a God out of anything but fear.

Fear is the only reason to wortship the biblical God. But that requires that the Biblical God be something that needs to be FEARED.

That's no God.

That's a DEMON.

Only pathetically unwise and powerless demons would ever attempt to rule by FEAR.

No truly all-wise, all-intelligent, all-loving God would need to stoop to intimidation to corece people into worshiping it.

A truly benevolent God is worshipped because they are benenvolent, not because they are threatening to send peopel to hell if they don't cower down and beg for salvation.

That's no God.

That's a DEMON.

There are many mortal men and women who are far more compassionate, wise, and understanding than the Bible portrays of God.

Therefore the Bible places God beneath mortal men in character.

It clearly can't be a true description of God.

It's crystal clear that it's an ungodly picture.

This reminds me of a Star Trek episode where everything is peace and understanding once you let the spores get into your body and everybody was tricking people to get them near the plants that shot the spores out.

If you don't believe the truth I can’t help you. I would say give salvation another thought. Jesus Christ is our only savior. All you have to do is have faith that he died for you and rose from the grave three days later victorious over hell and the grave.

MATTHEW 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

MARK 10:26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? 27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

LUKE 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

JOHN 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

ACTS 26:12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. 14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

ROMANS 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

1CORINTHIANS 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

GALATIANS 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

EPHESIANS 6:24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

As always I would ask that you read the Bible for yourself.

Are you really serious? You have no proof or reason to believe any of that except that you choose to because it makes you feel better.

You will not be victorious over the grave. I have seen many baptists such as yourself succumb to the grave. I have seen them crying over their lost loved ones as if death is a bad thing. If what they claim is truth, then they would rejoice when their loved ones die. Instead, they wail and cry and fear death just like anyone else.

Only Christ can save you.

If Christ means LOVE, then I agree. I am already saved.

Christian means get out there and offer savation to all. Christians can only tell the story of Christ. its upto those that hear to ask. Jesus Christ does the rest.

Jesus tells us to go unto the world and tell of his great salvation. How that He died on the cross and rose three days later conquering hell and the grave, to give us salvation from our sins.

MATTHEW 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

MARK 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

JOHN 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

JOHN 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

HEBREWS 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him ;

If you’re not saved ask Christ for salvation.

*standing ovation!*
Abracadabra, you said it perfectly.