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Edited by
MorningSong
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In recent history there have been Two (2) of the most benevolent and giving people. One did hear the word of God and the teachings of Jesus the Christ. She lived her live to the end doing all that she could to spread His word not only by example but also through teaching. Mother Teresa (I hope that I spelled her name right) now sits in her castle that was created for her by the Lord God. The other fella gave of himself and taught peace. He too had been given the the chance to hear the word of God, but Mahatma Ghandi chose a different path and now sit in a slightly warmer place. Example is not enough. No one Knows but Mahatma Ghandi and God, the decison of Mahatma Ghandi's heart in the end. 
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Will you? Can you? accept that we are all beautiful inside and out and ready to make a difference regardless in what we believe in religously or spiritually? Sorry John, If you refuse to lick the boots of Christ you go to hell. Love and compassion don't mean a thing to Jesus. Only the EGO is important!!! Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords! Confess it or go to hell John! Worship the Christain EGO! There's no other way to get to GOD! LOVE won't cut it! 
Appease the Christians and become a bigot for Christ's sake, or go straight to hell! LOVE MEANS NOTHING to Christ according to the Christians! Only the EGO reigns supreme! Confess that Jesus is LORD or GO TO HELL! End of DISCUSSION! LOVE MEANS NOTHING!
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In recent history there have been Two (2) of the most benevolent and giving people. One did hear the word of God and the teachings of Jesus the Christ. She lived her live to the end doing all that she could to spread His word not only by example but also through teaching. Mother Teresa (I hope that I spelled her name right) now sits in her castle that was created for her by the Lord God. The other fella gave of himself and taught peace. He too had been given the the chance to hear the word of God, but Mahatma Ghandi chose a different path and now sit in a slightly warmer place. Example is not enough. And you know this HOW? You have been to this place yourself personally? Sorry, I fail to believe you. 
As a matter of fact, I am of the opinion that you are full of B.S. And here I thought Christians spoke for God? 
Oh wait! Protestants claimed that no man can speak for God didn't they? Hmmm? I wonder who all these people are who are claiming to be Protestants then? All these people seem to think that they speak for God. Are they multiple incarnations of the POPE? What's going on? Is this an Alfred Hitchcock horror web story that I've inadvertently become lost in. 
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As It Was In The Days of Noah.... So Shall It Be Like Again.... In the End. Calling One and Calling All.... to Come.... and Climb Aboard the Gospel Ship .
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I don't understand such language if one forces another to do anything James. It is alien to me and therefore nothing is attained from it.
I believe in a peaceful purpose in the world and those who don't practice it or don't understand it need compassion, a listening ear, and a peaceful answer good enough to shift the mind to think otherwise. Only those who believe in not harming others and promoting peace shed the truth behind the survival of humanity. Those who don't know this path can be shown how to proceed. It is not a wasted effort and requires much, much patience. It reminds me of the many many times I have received a bible in my hand from nice people who also wrote something in it kindly mentioning this is the path to go. I smile and take it kindly for the gift of giving something and wishing the person happiness and inner peace is a admire in its intent itself. The same goes with the Koran too as I have visited many Muslim nations. In the end I find that people are able to live amongst each other in peace regardless of what they believe in, even if it is different then what seems logical for one person and illogical for the next. There still can be compromise in the notion if one is willing to try. If it contradicts what is actually written in the books they read I will not refute with you, for you have shown it often on these threads and it is a neverending debate, arguement, disagreement that doesn't bring any solution in the end. It actually just brings more seperation in the end. At least that is how I see it usually. In the end if one can live in peace with one another is the biggest challenge humanity has today and in the future. If it can be done, time will only know. For the sake of the childrens children I hope so. |
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In recent history there have been Two (2) of the most benevolent and giving people. One did hear the word of God and the teachings of Jesus the Christ. She lived her live to the end doing all that she could to spread His word not only by example but also through teaching. Mother Teresa (I hope that I spelled her name right) now sits in her castle that was created for her by the Lord God. The other fella gave of himself and taught peace. He too had been given the the chance to hear the word of God, but Mahatma Ghandi chose a different path and now sit in a slightly warmer place. Example is not enough. No one Knows but Mahatma Ghandi and God, the decison of Mahatma Ghandi's heart in the end.
Simple, to the point, and way cool, MorningStar... No one knows where either of them are absolutely, period. I would like to think as much as both gave of themselves, that they are at peace and no longer have to suffer the things they endured in life. Even Mother Theresa admitted that she had lost her faith in her diary. Whether she regained it at the end or she didn't, I can't imagine a god that would be so cruel as to do anything but accept both of them........ |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 01/25/09 11:16 PM
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In recent history there have been Two (2) of the most benevolent and giving people. One did hear the word of God and the teachings of Jesus the Christ. She lived her live to the end doing all that she could to spread His word not only by example but also through teaching. Mother Teresa (I hope that I spelled her name right) now sits in her castle that was created for her by the Lord God. The other fella gave of himself and taught peace. He too had been given the the chance to hear the word of God, but Mahatma Ghandi chose a different path and now sit in a slightly warmer place. Example is not enough. No one Knows but Mahatma Ghandi and God, the decison of Mahatma Ghandi's heart in the end.
Simple, to the point, and way cool, MorningStar... No one knows where either of them are absolutely, period. I would like to think as much as both gave of themselves, that they are at peace and no longer have to suffer the things they endured in life. Even Mother Theresa admitted that she had lost her faith in her diary. Whether she regained it at the end or she didn't, I can't imagine a god that would be so cruel as to do anything but accept both of them........ Boo..even if a person HAD lost his/her Faith... doesn't mean God would let go of him/her. Salvation (being born again in the spirit)is NOT reversible.... just like being born in the natural , is not reversible.
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In recent history there have been Two (2) of the most benevolent and giving people. One did hear the word of God and the teachings of Jesus the Christ. She lived her live to the end doing all that she could to spread His word not only by example but also through teaching. Mother Teresa (I hope that I spelled her name right) now sits in her castle that was created for her by the Lord God. The other fella gave of himself and taught peace. He too had been given the the chance to hear the word of God, but Mahatma Ghandi chose a different path and now sit in a slightly warmer place. Example is not enough. No one Knows but Mahatma Ghandi and God, the decison of Mahatma Ghandi's heart in the end.
Simple, to the point, and way cool, MorningStar... No one knows where either of them are absolutely, period. I would like to think as much as both gave of themselves, that they are at peace and no longer have to suffer the things they endured in life. Even Mother Theresa admitted that she had lost her faith in her diary. Whether she regained it at the end or she didn't, I can't imagine a god that would be so cruel as to do anything but accept both of them........ Boo..even if a person HAD lost his/her Faith... doesn't mean God would let go of him/her. Salvation (being born again in the spirit)is NOT reversible.... just like being born in the natural , is not reversible.
I fail to believe that. If Lucifer, God's right hand angel can fall from grace, so could anyone else. If a person is a "born again" Christian and then decides its a bunch of b.S. they can leave that cult if they want. Its called free will. But you are too enraptured by your ideas to see the logic in that M.S. so I know it will fall on deaf ears for you. |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Mon 01/26/09 08:47 AM
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Boo..even if a person HAD lost his/her Faith... doesn't mean God would let go of him/her. Salvation (being born again in the spirit)is NOT reversible.... just like being born in the natural , is not reversible.
This is just another blatant contradicion. Besides, you KNOW very well MorningSong that I was indeed a born again Christian. Therefore, if that process cannot be reversed then I can't be lost ever again. According to what you've just stated that would be impossible. This is what kills the religion. It has so many things that MUST BE TRUE, and they all conflict with one another. Like God is all-powerful but can't control a fallen angel. And the argument that God MUST let Satan have FREE WILL, is total baloney! God's LAW is that the wages of disobedience is DEATH! Therefore by God's own LAWS he has every RIGHT to muder Satan anytime he so choices, and he has absolutely NO REPSPONSIBLY to honor Satan's "Free Will". None whatsoever! The arguement that God must honor people's free will flies in the face that God has already decided that the wages for sin is death. So if you've done anything that disagrees with God then he can squash you like a bug on a windshield and has absolutely NO RESPONSIBILITY to honor anyone 'free will' to disobey him. Therefore there is NO EXCUSE for God not giving murders and rapists heart attacks when they head out to do their dirty deeds. He knows what they are up to, and he has no need to honor their 'free will' because by his decree the wages of sin is DEATH. The biblical God has no need to honor anyone's free will! The whole religion is nothing but a can of contradicting worms. |
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I think I need to catch up and take the time to read everyone's comments. But just from scanning everyone's comments I think you both need to consider how you are representing you faiths. Just for the record mine are personal but I do have great respect for both of these noble faiths. Tolerance is the key for any civilization to live in Harmony and how can you except tolerance for your beleifs when you show none to others.
Just of the record I have done research in both religions but I am far from an expert on either of them. All I know is that both can be respected and both desire harmony, peace, love, compassion, and success for their followers. Hate and judgment are not part of either of these worlds. I would suggest a book for everyone called Pagans & Christians by Gus diZerega. It was an interesting book and vrey insightful. Have a Bless Day and Blessed Be.. they are very similiar aren't they when you take away the religion undertones. Good Luck and I hope you research the book! (Further Comments to come...) |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Mon 01/26/09 09:27 AM
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I think I need to catch up and take the time to read everyone's comments. But just from scanning everyone's comments I think you both need to consider how you are representing you faiths. Just for the record mine are personal but I do have great respect for both of these noble faiths. Tolerance is the key for any civilization to live in Harmony and how can you except tolerance for your beleifs when you show none to others.
I'm not sure who you are addressing here. Both faiths? I don't see anyone representing any faith other than Christians proselytizing their religion and trying to ram their dogma in the face of everyone else. These forum are 99.9999% Christians attempting to PROVE their dogma is the word of God, and everyone else trying to explain to them why they have already rejected it as being godly. I mean, if we take religion out of the picture altogether and just look at it as pure human beings here's what's happening. Human A: I think this book is the word of God. Human B: I read it too, and I don't see anything divine about it. Human A: Well I think you should read it again because it's the word of God. Human B: Trust me, I've read it enough to be thoroughly convinced that it's ungodly. Human A: But it's the WORD OF GOD! Human B: I don't believe that it is. Human A: YOU'RE REJECTING GOD!
Human B: Excuse me? I just said that I don't see anything godly about it can you respect that please? Human A: I RESPECT NO ONE WHO REJECTS GOD AND SIDES WITH EVIL DEMONS !!! WAKE UP AND REPENT !!! Now I ask you. Who is being unreasonable here, human A, or human B?
Human B isn't even complaining about what Human A believes. Human B doesn't care what Human A believes! All that human B wants to do is be respected for his or her own CHOICE! Human B is just asking to be respected but human A refuses to repsect human B. There can be no respect until all hell breaks lose and the battle of Armeggedon has been waged, and Jesus returns to have all the little Christians lick his feet whilst he casts all the Human B's into an eternal hellfire for not believing that the creator of this unviverse is an egostical pig. I don't if people want to believe that God is like that. But why do they have to disrepect my choice to believe that God is better than that? Can anyone answer that question?
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here, i have some pudding that ALL should want to taste and enjoy, SINCE I LOVE IT....... give the world a ****ing break, and SEE ALL OTHERS ARE NOT LIKE SELF.......... respect of mutual want and desires be the only tell of an equal intelligent adult spieces called humans....... I second that emotion from the wise sage called David 
There are lost souls to be saved. i couldnt agree more i just believe its Gods job to do that and have faith that God will after all he/she is almighty. we shouldnt be over zelous all this talking like where saving souls is a bit egotistical i think |
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sorry i quoted the wrong person above sorry dave ment to quote the first guy on the form:)
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In recent history there have been Two (2) of the most benevolent and giving people. One did hear the word of God and the teachings of Jesus the Christ. She lived her live to the end doing all that she could to spread His word not only by example but also through teaching. Mother Teresa (I hope that I spelled her name right) now sits in her castle that was created for her by the Lord God. The other fella gave of himself and taught peace. He too had been given the the chance to hear the word of God, but Mahatma Ghandi chose a different path and now sit in a slightly warmer place. Example is not enough. No one Knows but Mahatma Ghandi and God, the decison of Mahatma Ghandi's heart in the end.
Simple, to the point, and way cool, MorningStar... No one knows where either of them are absolutely, period. I would like to think as much as both gave of themselves, that they are at peace and no longer have to suffer the things they endured in life. Even Mother Theresa admitted that she had lost her faith in her diary. Whether she regained it at the end or she didn't, I can't imagine a god that would be so cruel as to do anything but accept both of them........ Boo..even if a person HAD lost his/her Faith... doesn't mean God would let go of him/her. Salvation (being born again in the spirit)is NOT reversible.... just like being born in the natural , is not reversible.
I fail to believe that. If Lucifer, God's right hand angel can fall from grace, so could anyone else. If a person is a "born again" Christian and then decides its a bunch of b.S. they can leave that cult if they want. Its called free will. But you are too enraptured by your ideas to see the logic in that M.S. so I know it will fall on deaf ears for you. |
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I just don't understand why Christians believe that everybody's soul is in jeopardy anyway. Because it's written in a book?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The God I believe in is too loving, caring, understanding, and forgiving to send my soul to burn in hell for eternity based on a belief. I may be wrong and foolish, but it's a risk I'm willing to take. |
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There are lost souls to be saved. i couldnt agree more i just believe its Gods job to do that and have faith that God will after all he/she is almighty. we shouldnt be over zelous all this talking like where saving souls is a bit egotistical i think Exactly! For any human to think that they could possibly be responsible for saving the soul of another human being is to show absolutely NO FAITH in God whatsoever. There is no way that the creator of this unviverse is going to judge anyone based on whether or not they believe in a very violent and clearly male chauvinistic view of God that the some ancient Mediterranean culture dreamed up. The idea that the creator of this unviverse would be mean to anyone just because they don't believe in horror stories is utterly absurd. It's SO ABSURD that I'm totally baffled at how many people actually buy into that picture. It should be crystal clear by now that many people who renounce that picture as being ungodly are NOT bad people. One of the authors of the Bible wrote: Psalms 14: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." We know beyond any shadow of a doubt that this passage is NOT TRUE. Therefore we know beyond any shadow of a doubt that this book is NOT the word of any God. It's the made up lies of men. Clearly. Let's get past this ancient dogma and wake up to the true nature of our being. Nothing against Jesus. Clearly he tried to denounce the violence and just got caught up in it, crucified, and then his martrydom status was used to support the very dogma that he rejected. The Bible does not contain ONE SOLITARY WORD from Jesus himself directly. It's all hearsay! And the book clearly contains falsehoods. |
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I have a question for ya'll...
Are these questions of faith or religion. Are these two the same or different from one another. My beleifs is that they are different. Though I have my faith I refuse to follow a religion? Is it wrong to have faith without a religion. Another exercise to do is view the bible in mutiple aspects... A love letter Historical Economic Religious What is your verdict? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 01/26/09 12:22 PM
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Is it wrong to have faith without a religion.
No it is not "wrong." And why would you even ask? Do you seek someone to tell you right from wrong? If you do, then get religion. They love to tell you. I have more faith than any Christian or "Born again" Christian I have ever met and I am practically an atheist. I believe in the nature and the order of the universe and its natural laws, what ever they are. As for how I view the Bible... none of the above. It is a relic of a past civilization. Not to be taken as truth historically or otherwise. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Mon 01/26/09 12:56 PM
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I was told to read the bible by a bunch of Christians on this forum. So I accommodated them and began doing just that. I’ve been looking through it for over 8 months now and every time I post something horrible or contradictory or misogynist or downright stupid, I am criticized. Why tell people to read it then?
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I was told to read the bible by a bunch of Christians on this forum. So I accommodated them and began doing just that. I’ve been looking through it for over 8 months now and every time I post something horrible or contradictory or misogynist or downright stupid, I am criticized. Why tell people to read it then?
My old professor used to say- those people who respect the Bible never actual have read it. |
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