God had a philosophy of Hell
Jesus had a philosophy of Love

Jesus never actually followed God's rules ..for example ...I never heard about Jesus busting an adulterer or an unruly child up aside the head with a stone

also wouldn't Jesus allowing souls to suffer in Hell or him taking part in the event known as The apocalypse or armengeddon be hypocritcal as he preached love ...

why wouldn't these two philosophies in total conflict with each other not lead to one conclusion which is Judgement day resulting in a second War in Heaven between the forces that follow God and the forces of Jesus ..let's face it ...since it happened once..it's not like it couldn't happen again

"Judgement Day"..just when you thought it was safe to go back into Heaven ...

I believe it was men who came up with philosophies. Not God. Jesus came to earth to try and get people to understand what the real problems were and to quit doing the one thing that caused them all. When the heads of church/state (both the same in those days) figured out that if he was succesful they would no longer be able to sit back and live like kings off of the sweat of others labor, THEY KILLED HIM!

"MartyMark" if Jesus came to Earth to explain where the real problems lies he would have blame God and not blame anything on the simpletons God created

I really am curious where you are getting this from, but it doesn't really matter. I know who the original source is already. God does not do bad things, He may allow people to do them so that others will see and learn not to do them any more. I do not understand Gods reasoning all the time. But I do believe there is a master plan that will involve all who ask for the Lord to help them do the right things and live the right way. There is so much stuff out there in the world today it would be impossible to go through ALL of it and THEN make a descission about ones faith or what we wanted to believe. We would die of old age on the journey. Many people just put on the label of agnostic because of this. They can do whatever they want, so can you and I. I learned a long time ago, if something does not stand up to this test of the why question (whats the motive good or bad) not to waste my time with it. What could possibly be the motive of someone to say God and Jesus are fighting?

"MartyMark" God said to stone unruly children to death ...since Jesus preach "Love" ..then do you believe that Jesus agrees that everyone should do that as a sign of Love

I don't believe God said to stone unruly children to death. I think the why test will shed a little light on that one. Some of the men who wrote the bible, WERE NOT WRITING A BIBLE WHEN THEY WROTE WHAT THEY WROTE. Then some self serving anarchiest of a king came along thousands of years later and said this is the bible, I command it so,,,,,so that I can be a fat cat and live off of the sweat of others. Don't believe what these so called educated yeahoos will shovel at ya to get your time and money. Spend some time alone, with no outside influence, with a "red letter edition" of the New Testement. The words in red are what was more than likley spoken by Christ himself. Start there and then stretch your knowledge to the great advice and storys of the rest of early world history. I wish you well

"MartyMark" ...so you said don't believe what's in The Old Testament" but believe what's in the red letter edition of the New Testament ...with that you have provided an example of what this thread is about

The Conflict between God's philosophy as to what's written in The Old Testament and the philosophy of Jesus as to what is in The New Testament

which means that if a conflict did arise in Heaven between Jesus and God .. you would fight against God

I did not say that I don't believe what is in the old testement. You mis quoted me. I said that the men who wrote much of the bible/old testement/this thread.....did not realize they were writing a bible when they wrote what they did. Again, this should not be a conflict. But then again there are those who would have us believe that conflict is how to get what you want.

It's crystal clear that Jesus was not the son of the God of Abraham.

How anyone can fall for that one is beyond me.

It's also pretty clear that the God of Abraham was a complete and total myth not that far removed from the myths of Greek Mythology.

There's no way that Jesus could have been the son of the God of Abraham. That's a given.

Like you say, he denounced the very tenets of the God of Abraham. They couldn't possibly have been related, much less have been father and son.

If there is any value in the teachings of Jesus it's no different from the values of the teachings of Buddha.

In fact, you can't satisfy the teachings of either man without simultaneously satisfying the other one.

It appears that Jesus taught the same things as Buddha, and then later when the gospels were written a lot of demagoguery was added to try to make it appear that Jesus was the son of the God of Abraham. But none of that can be true because it's clearly in stark constrast to what the original God of Abraham was like.

The only way it could be true is if God is schizophrenic. But that would fly in the face of a supposedly healthy stable God. So clearly it can't be true.

You are starting to see that there are actually two "gods".

There is a True G-d in Heaven and a False God of the Earth.

"MartyMark" why would it make a different what the men who wrote the bible didn't realize if what they were writing was from God ..it seems like you are trying to say not to take The Old Testament as being factual

also you seem to be complaining about what's in The Old Testament and not what's in the The New Testament

so that is why I asked you if you would do as God says in The Old Testament and put adulterers and unruly children to death or would you follow only Jesus's teachings of Love which are in direct conflict with what's in The Old Testament ..

That's what the Cathers believed.

They believed that the entire Old Testament was written by the false God of the Earth and that Jesus came to denounce it.

The Catholic Pope ordered armies to murder the Cathers because he didn't believe like them.

Christianity even today claims that Jesus is the Son of the God of the Old Testament.

It's clear that all of these ideas are just the opinions of men.

Clearly the whole mythology isn't all that different from Greek Mythology right down to the fact that the Gods are appeased by blood sacrficies.

Jesus has become the pastsy of the Christians. He's their dead marionette doll they can use to incite hatred and biogtry against all religions that don't hold their bigoted values.

It's truly sad how so many modern people have been suckered into such a horrid lie.

Poor Jesus, he just wanted peace on earth, but the Christians keep abusing him to spread their hatred and bigotry toward all other religions and phiolsophies.

They have taken possession of Jesus. They act like they own him and only THEY can speak for him. What a bunch of arrogant hypocrites.

It's truly the greatest shame that mankind has ever participated in.

Yes, you and Funches are starting to understand now.Humans have always had great difficulty telling the two "gods" apart.

"That's what the Cathers believed."

Its also what the New Testament says. A lot of people seem to be incapable of understanding this because it sounds so different than what they have always been told.

"MirrorMirror" it the Cathers believed that what was in The Old Testament was false ..then that would mean that the coming of a Messiah was also false since it's in The Old Testament

also to say that God/Yahweh set forth no laws in The Old Testament would mean that Yahweh was a God of Pantheism

The False God of the Earth can appear to us humans as the True God of Heaven. People have them all mixed up and always have. I am familiar with the Cathars but Im not arguing the specifics of their beliefs. I am just telling you what you are starting to realize for yourself. There is a True G-d in Heaven and a False God of the Earth. A lot of what we are calling "God" is actually the False God. Most humans serve the False God and do not realize it. That is what I am saying. If you continue to ponder this line of reasoning you will begin to understand in ways that I can't explain to you. The False God may not always lie. the False God does not always do "evil" (a subjective term).Humans wrote the bible, Old and New Testaments. Neither True nor false god wrote it.And the bible may be correct about the events that happened in the past but our interpretation of it may be wrong.We may have had it wrong from the earliest times.

"MirrorMirror" Jesus himself acknowledge the laws of The Old Testament by telling the people that he did not come to change any of them ..so doesn't this means The Old Testament has Jesus's stamp of approval and to deny The Old Testament is to say that Jesus was being less than truthful when he spoke to the people of his intentions

Obedience is better than sacrifice.

God gave man a list of rules to live by. Man screwed up said list.

God saw man screw up said rules.

Jesus being with God seeing man screw up said rules said I will go and be both the rules AND the sacrifice.

Now man has the choice to accept Jesus and be adopted back into God's love or to continue living without but only for a period of time.

When God decides all the things he has said have come to fulfillment we will have to account for the things we done in our lives.

Im saying that our interpretations of it may be wrong and always have been.It goes well beyond the bible, into everything we do. Jesus did not come to change our (all of humanity) beliefs of a savior, rather to fullfill that belief. The beliefs of a savior is in ALL cultures (in various forms).