All this time I thought it was lil' glow-sticks tied to a long pieces of string.

D'oh!


(Burning Man Reference)

"Maikuku" ..er.. is name called an indication that maybe your Yin and Yang is out of balance ..

but anyway if the Yin and Yang represents as you said a mutual balance of opposites, then it's only logical that the existence of those opposites supplied the "need" for "The One" to create the Yin and Yang

The Hebrew word for angel is mal'ak, which means to dispatch as a deputy; messenger; ambassador. The Greek word for angel is aggelos, which means to bring tidings; a messenger. The word angel is used, in one form or another, 198 times in the Bible. Common angels are real personal beings with personal bodies and personal souls including feelings, emotions, passions and desires as well as personal spirits including all intellectual powers as we know them.

In Hebrews 1:13-14 we find the following: But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Reading down a little further we find Hebrews 2:7 which says: Thou madest him (man) a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over thy works of thy hand.

Angels can be visible or invisible, depending on what their particular mission happens to be, at any given time. Invisible things are made up of material substance which is visible in it's own realm. Created things, including spirit beings such as angels, cherubim, seraphim, etc. are all of material substance. Some substances are of a higher order than others. Though all are visible in their own realms, some may not be visible to others of lower realms. Spirit beings are of a higher substance than flesh and blood beings and ordinary material that we see. They are not limited to ordinary substance as we know it, because they can go through closed doors, walls, and other solid objects. This is proved by what is recorded in Scripture of angels and others. Even the material, spiritual, and immortalized body of Jesus, a real flesh and bone body (Luke 24:39) can go through material walls without an opening (John 20:19; Luke 24:31, 35-43).

An angel can manifest himself in all his God given glory or he can appear as a mere mortal (or not at all) depending on what he is sent to do. It is evident that angels can and do appear in the form of a man as stated in Hebrews 13:2 which says: Be not forgetful to entertain strangers; for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

WHAT THEY ARE NOT.

Angels are not naked babies with feeble little rudimentary wing stubs as depicted in Catholic art, or the ceramic figurines that you see at your local gift shop. Angels are mighty beings of large stature as shown in Thessalonians 1:7-8; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. "In flaming fire taking vengeance"? That doesn't sound much like the act of a naked baby. Those pink little things would be burnt to a crisp in short order. Another account of the power of an angel can be seen in Num. 22:22-23, 33: And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him. And the ass saw the angel of the Lord standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand... And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her alive. "I had slain thee"? Those "sweet" little babies couldn't split someone's skull open as this TRUE angel of the Lord was about to do. They couldn't even lift the sword. NOTE: I didn't reprint the entire thirteen verses here but, if you are truly seeking the truth, you should look it up and read it for yourself.

Angels are not people (humans) who have died. Nowhere in the Bible does it give even the slightest hint that angels come from deceased people. That's just not true. What is true? Lets look in the Bible and see.

One of the many tasks that angels perform is seen in Luke 16:22-25 which says: And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels unto Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

So, one of the things that angels do is to transport departed spirits after death. It doesn't say that Lazarus (or anyone else, for that matter) turned into an angel. This also shows that seemingly good (rich) people don't always go to heaven, and seemingly bad (poor) people don't always go to hell.

However, if you think about it, God has created some bizarre things in this world, too. We have animals (and insects) that use chemical warfare such as skunks, rattle snakes and stink bugs. There are animals that can "spear" and perforate you such as porcupines. And then there is the strangest creature of all: the platypus, which lays eggs, has a bill, a beaver's tail, ducks feet, and in the male, poisonous spurs on it's hind feet! Not to mention the insect world. It has the strangest creatures of all. God is indeed a creative entity; he cannot be content nor confined to just what we see in this world.

ANGELS DON'T HAVE WINGS!

Angels don't have wings! That's right, they don't have any wings. Of the 90 scriptural references to the words WING, WINGS and WINGED, 45 of them specifically refer to cherubim. The rest refer to: God, seraphims, animals, eagles, turtle doves, doves, fowl, peacocks, ostriches, hawks, wind, morning, riches, shadow, Moab, Bozrah, lions, leopards, two women, woman, sun, hens, beasts and locusts. None refer to angels.

They are: Genesis 1:21; Exodus 19:4; 25:20; 37:9; Leviticus 1:17; Deuteronomy 4:17; 32:11; Ruth 2:12; 1 Samuel 27:11; 1 Kings 6:24, 27; 8:6, 7: 1 Chronicles 28:18; 2 Chronicles 3:11, 12, 13; 5:7, 8; Job 39:13, 26; Psalms 17:8; 18:10; 36:7; 55:6; 57:1; 61:4; 63:7; 68:13; 91:4; 104:3; 139:9; Proverbs 23:5; Ecclesiastes 10:20; Isaiah 6:2; 8:8; 10:14; 18:1; 40:13; Jeremiah 48:9, 40; 49:22; Ezekiel 1:6, 8, 9, 11, 23, 24, 25; 3:13; 10:5, 8, 12, 16, 19, 21; 11:22; 17:3, 7, 23; Daniel 7:4, 6; Hosea 4:19; Zechariah 5:9; Malachi 4:2; Matthew 23:37; Luke 13:34; Revelation 4:8; 9:9; 12:14.

Of all references to the words ANGEL or ANGELS, there is no mention of the words WING, WINGS or WINGED. So, the only way to conclude that angels have wings is to twist what little knowledge of angels there is and blindly accept the preconceived and prevalent notion of what is commonly presented as an "Angel", without asking "Where did we get that from?"

Here are just some examples. In Acts 1:10,11 it says ...And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. The next example can be seen in Matthew 28:2,3 ...And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow. It seems that, in all the descriptions of angels found in the bible, they are always described as wearing white raiment. Now, if you were to describe someone, which would be the more notable feature, white raiment or wings? You know that if they had wings, that would be the more remarkable feature; that would be the outstanding feature that would be used to describe one, not white raiment. Since there was an effort made to recount the image of an angel in the first place, do you think that they simply forgot this remarkable feature? Or, could it be that there simply weren't any wings to recount?

Let's look at another reference. Mark 16:5,6 which says: And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. And he said unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. Again, white raiment - no wings.

You can search all you want; you won't find anywhere in the bible that states that angels have wings. You can't even find anywhere that it is implied that angels have wings. It's just not there!

WHERE DO SUCH UNFOUNDED BELIEFS COME FROM?

The first thing to realize is that people have a God shaped void in them that they are constantly trying to fill with whatever they can get hold of, regardless of how near or far from the truth it may be. They are willing to accept just about any religious concept, no matter how far fetched it is, especially if it doesn't require any true commitment to God and/or his word (the reading of it). That, coupled with a nagging sin consciousness, and they will embrace anything that makes them feel religious or closer to God.

So, on one hand we have all these people who's spirits are starving for God. And on the other hand we have a godless media called T.V. that not only doesn't know any more than the common man, but does all it can to AVOID the truth of the Bible, lest it offend the majority of viewers. That leaves producers with a bit of a problem. What to do? Invent some fiction! Ever since you were a child, you have been programmed with it. Who hasn't seen a cartoon where a character has expired and then reappeared with wings, and sometimes even a harp and a halo. Think about it. Year after year; show after show; whether animated or not - it's the same basic thing: Someone dies and turns into an angel and gets wings (or has to earn them). And the concept that an angel (or dead human?) has to earn his wings is totally ludicrous: it just can't be found in the Bible.

All this tends to give the subconscious impression that EVERYONE automatically goes to heaven, regardless of what is written in Revelation 20:12-15 which says: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And you thought you'd be an angel. People can't handle the concept that they might go to hell, so they invent fairy tales to believe in, to make them feel better; until it's too late.

WHAT SEX ARE ANGELS?

The show "Touched By An Angel" portrays a female angel. Once again, this is not scriptural. ALL references to angels are in the masculine form; You can't find one single feminine reference to an angel at all. One prime example is found in Genesis 19:5 ...And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night.?... Then read on down to Genesis 19:8 ...Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof... This clearly illustrates that angels do appear as men. In fact, they were so masculine that the homosexual population of Sodom wanted to have sex with them. So, there are NO female angels. Sorry ladies, that's the way it is - deal with it.

OTHER STUFF ABOUT ANGELS:

There are some other interesting things about angels that are worth mentioning. They are not necessarily supported by scripture nor denied by it; they are simply experiences, etc. that people have had. The Bible doesn't list everything there is to know about angels, but it does give a good example of what angels are like.

Angels are always in a hurry. They have places to go and things to do and they don't waste any time doing it. This can be seen in a number of scriptures. For example: Acts 12:7- And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands. There are many other indications that angels go about their business, without delay. And, if God told them to wait somewhere, they would even be waiting in a hurry.

In all recorded instances where it is strongly suspected that an angel has intervened in human affairs, the angel in question is always very tall; over six feet. Not tiny little babies.

They can't be traced. They have no relatives; no permanent address; no verifiable roots that can be looked up. This makes sense, if you think about it. If they could, that would blow their cover and interfere with their mission.

They travel lite. They never have any baggage or belongings (unless, of course, there is something that they need to accomplish their mission, such as a sword).

They have a tendency to vanish once their mission is accomplished; they don't hang around and they don't care to be thanked. And they certainly refuse to be worshipped, in any way, shape, or form. Revelation 22:8-9 says: And I, John, saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things. Then saith he unto me, "See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."

They travel at inconceivable speeds. An angel can literally witness someone shoot a gun at you, go to heaven, ask God what he should do, and return in time to catch the bullet if need be.

They don't talk much. They say what they came to say and that's it. They don't engage in long winded conversations, or small talk. (And they don't boast about being an angle or show off their powers). They stick to the business at hand and no more.

A good source of more information about angels is a book by Billy Graham entitled "ANGELS: GOD'S SECRET AGENTS".
ANGELS HAVE HARPS, DON'T THEY?

NO. Out of 54 references to the words HARP, HARPED, HARPERS, HARPING and HARPS, there is no mention of angels. The harps of the bible were 3 to 5 string instruments and were often mentioned in conjunction with the psaltery, which is a 10 string instrument. They are also mentioned most often in conjunction with the praising of God by man, not angels. So, the idea that all angels have harps is just another facet in this intricate myth that gullible and easily deceived people have so willingly swallowed. (No, you don't automatically get one when you die, either).
WHAT ABOUT THAT "HALO"?

Another fallacy commonly associated with angels is the "Halo". This, too, has NO foundation in scripture. After spending several hours at the library trying to look up the word HALO, the closest that I could get was AURA. A total search of the bible led nowhere, either. It just isn't there. So, where did we get that from?

The "Halo", as we know it today, regardless of whether it is associated with angels or as seen in Catholic "art", etc. is another example of how religion has reduced the magnificent Shekinah Glory of God to a mere wisp of a ring.

In the beginning, before Adam and Eve sinned, they were clothed in the (shekinah) Glory of God; they were literally covered with a glow which was the Glory of God. This glow was why they did not perceive that they were naked. God has this glow (Psalms 104:2), and being created in his image (and sinless), so did Adam and Eve, as seen in Genesis 2:25 ...And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. Then, when they transgressed the commandment of the Lord, that glory departed and they perceived that they were naked. No more glow; no more clothing. From then on, the majority of mankind has been ashamed of their nakedness. Also, they could no longer endure the presence of God, since sin cannot exist in the presence of God; it is terminally fatal. Since then, God has had to shield man from his glory with a cloud to prevent man from being "burned to a crisp". Look at Exodus 24:16 which says ...And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud...

There are many more references to God using a cloud to protect man from his glory. A perfect example of this can be seen in 2 Chronicles 5:13, 14 where the cloud became so thick that they had to stop the service. Now THAT'S worship!

Angels, who are in the presence of God daily, also share the glory of God and have this glow, but it is much more than a diminutive little ring. It is a majestic and magnificent garment that is suitable to be worn in the presence of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY! (And, it doesn't go sliding off and rolling away as is depicted in the childhood fairy tale "The Littlest Angel").

TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES

Now, you have Truth and you have Lies; Honesty and Dishonesty; Fact and Fiction: which will you choose? Will you continue to perpetuate an unfounded myth or look into something with solid evidence and history. If you do choose to remain ignorant, that is your right, but, please don't present your misguided fables to children as fact, lest you find yourself facing the penalty of Matthew 18:6. They deserve better than that. They deserve truth and honesty.

So, now you know The Truth About Angels. It has taken a lot of research (over 300 scriptures). It is firmly rooted in God's word. It is not "candy coated" or "watered down". It is peaceable and easily accepted by TRUE Christians. It offends religious people who think themselves Christian but haven't made Jesus the Lord of their life nor care to read his word. To those I ask: Have you a greater truth? Have you written a different bible? If you think yourself Christian, but your foundation isn't the bible, you have deceived yourself and you're in for a "Hell" of a surprise.

Remember, there are grave spiritual consequences for disregarding God's word and the heavy price he paid for you. When you stand before God, and the books are opened, if your name isn't found,

Another account of the power of an angel can be seen in Num. 22:22-23, 33: And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him. And the ass saw the angel of the Lord standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand.

thnx for that deb, here you go Miles, this is within the book as you know it, without the aide of Enoch.

deb cherubims and seraphims are angels and they do have wings, we see this in exodus 25, so your mistaken as to angels not having wings it is talked og elsewhere also as to these two types of angels - if your meaning a lower class of angels then make that specific, thnx.

Eze 10:8 And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man’s hand under their wings.
Eze 10:8 ¶ And I saw the cherubs having the likeness of men’s hands under their wings.


here again we read that both cherubims and cherubs have wings and hands like mans.

Eze 10:19 And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD’S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
Eze 10:19 And the cherubs lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went forth, the wheels were also {1} beside them, and they stood at the entrance of the {2} front gate of the house of the Lord; and the glory of the God of Israel was upon them above. {1) Or, joined to them 2) Gr. opposite}


as to my original question though - why do angels need swords??

I got the answer Sam!!!

Your question: Why do angels need swords?

If it is a female angel then to keep the men in line if they misbehave!

God respects our privacy!

If it is a male angel....hmmmm

maybe they use them as super large toothpicks to prick their teeth after a good meal

There you go!

I know, I know you want real answers. I see you are trying to make a point you wise old wizard! lol

You certainly saw quiet a few answers though!

Have a good one.

hey I say **** angels cause they only come to give you bad news and thay ;only gige you bad sit and ****. why is it that thay only come to tell you that death is nearm then they co.e with swords and ****. what the **** are they gonna do ****img cut your ****ing gead off before you die. **** **** religion and all it stands for

Not all angels are bad, unfortunatly most people will only listen to the crap satans group spews around

sorry if the spellings vad I'm drunk and I dobt five a shjt

How do they know that exactly? Do they have a deceased angel preserved in a vat of formaldehyde someplace? Maybe the Catholic description is dead on balls accurate.

All you can speak to is the common understanding of how angels physically appear when they manifest themselves in different cultures or Christian denominations. You can not say that one is right and another has it all wrong.

Its a mythological being.

Funches, Taoism as a philosophy has no "God" We don't call the Tao a god nor do we imply that it is a deity. If you did any research on the subject you would find that Taoism is divided into three forms of practice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism
Taoism (pronounced /ˈdaʊ.ɪ.zəm/ or /ˈtaʊ.ɪ.zəm/; also spelled Daoism) refers to a variety of related philosophical and religious traditions and concepts. These traditions have influenced East Asia for over two thousand years and some have spread internationally.[1] The Chinese character Tao 道 (or Dao, depending on the romanization scheme) means "path" or "way", although in Chinese religion and philosophy it has taken on more abstract meanings. Taoist propriety and ethics emphasize the Three Jewels of the Tao: compassion, moderation, and humility. Taoist thought focuses on health, longevity, immortality, wu wei (non-action) and spontaneity.

Reverence for nature and ancestor spirits is common in popular Taoism. Organized Taoism distinguishes its ritual activity from that of the folk religion, which some professional Taoists (Daoshi) view as debased. Chinese alchemy, astrology, cuisine, several Chinese martial arts, Chinese traditional medicine, fengshui, and many styles of qigong breath training disciplines are intertwined with Taoism throughout history.

There is debate over how, and whether, Taoism should be subdivided. Livia Kohn divided it into the following three categories:[2]

1. "Philosophical Taoism" (Daojia 道家). A philosophical school based on the texts Dao De Jing (道德經) and Zhuangzi (莊子);
2. "Religious Taoism" (Daojiao 道教). A family of organized Chinese religious movements originating from the Celestial Masters movement during the late Han Dynasty and later including the "Orthodox" (Zhengyi 正義) and "Complete Reality" (Quanzhen 全真) sects, which claim lineages going back to Lao Zi (老子) or Zhang Daoling in the late Han Dynasty;
3. "Folk Taoism". The Chinese folk religion.

This distinction is complicated by hermeneutic (interpretive) difficulties in the categorization of Taoist schools, sects and movements.[3] Many scholars believe that there is no distinction between Daojia and Daojiao.[4] According to Kirkland, "most scholars who have seriously studied Taoism, both in Asia and the West, have finally abandoned the simplistic dichotomy of Tao-chia and Tao-chiao, "philosophical Taoism" and "religious Taoism."[5] Hansen states that the identification of "Taoism" as such first occurred in the early Han Dynasty when dao-jia was identified as a single school.[6] The writings of Laozi and Zhuangzi were linked together under this single tradition during the Han Dynasty, but notably not before.[7] It is unlikely that Zhuangzi was familiar with the text of the Daodejing.[8][9] Additionally, Graham states that Zhuangzi would not have identified himself as a Taoist, a classification that did not arise until well after his death.[10]

Taoism does not fall strictly under an umbrella or a definition of an organized religion like the Abrahamic traditions, nor can it purely be studied as the originator or a variant of Chinese folk religion, as much of the traditional religion is outside of the tenets and core teachings of Taoism.[11] Robinet asserts that Taoism is better understood as a way of life than as a religion, and that its adherents do not approach or view Taoism the way non-Taoist historians have done.[12] Henri Maspero stated that many scholarly works conclude Taoism is a school of thought with a quest for immortality.[13]
I adhere to philosophical Taoism funches, and just so there is no more debate here is the definition of philosophy according to wikipedia:Philosophy is the investigation of truth, existence, knowledge, and conduct through logic and reason. It is an attempt to study the nature of existence, validity, justice, beauty, mind, and language. As Anthony Quinton put it, philosophy is "thinking about thinking."[1][2]

Philosophy is distinguished from other ways of addressing these questions (such as mysticism or mythology) by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on reasoned argument.[2] The word philosophy is of Ancient Greek origin: φιλοσοφία (philosophía), meaning "love of wisdom."[3][4][5]
So enough with your bullcrap and twisted interpetations of what people say. Start making statements with evidence to back it up or shut up.

Ahhhh I had a whole thing on cherubims and seraphims and took it out...because of the length and you cutieful tribo catch me on that.....You are always testing me huh....gigglesnort.

As far as carrying the sword, I think they carry for for a myriad of reasons. To protect Godly people from those that are not. I also remember like yesterday a very interesting story. I was 17 years old and was a by a semi-truck. I was buckled up, yet I feel I would have been killed had it not been for my seat belt breaking lose when the seat went out the passenger door. Instead of me being torn in half, I ended up sitting outside of the car on the seat. When my father and I went to look at my car it was strange because the seat belt wasn't torn and no bolts had broken lose. It was like someone had sliced the belt off neatly with a sharp knife. We both commented on how that was indeed odd because the door wasn't crunched in around where the belt was severed.

So I feel that there are many reasons and many uses that the angels have for their swords, and like ever situation would be different for the Angel depending on what was needed. I feel Angels all around me all the time, and there have been many instances where something happens that just can't be explained. I can say beyond a doubt that Angels are watching out for us people.

Another example:

God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, God beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of God stood by the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite. And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of God stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces. (1Chron 21:15-16). (2Samuel 24:16-17)

1 Chronicles 21:12
three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the LORD -days of plague in the land, with the angel of the LORD ravaging every part of Israel.' Now then, decide how I should answer the one who sent me."

So again depending on any given situation is how or why they would use the swords.

Wasnt Satan originally an "auditor" of sorts for god? He would fly around checking in on humans that were suspected of being up to no good and then report back to god on whatever he saw occurring on earth.

In effect, Satan was a snitch for the Lord.

No


At one time Satan was a beautiful angel and his name was Lucifer. Almighty God gave him the job to be caretaker of the earth. Lucifer believed he could be worshipped like Almighty God and exalted himself to be like God. This study has scriptures showing that Satan has access to God's throne and to the earth. There are no scriptures describing a horned creature surrounded by fire, tormenting people for all eternity. There will be a future time period when there will be a war in heaven. Satan will be thrown out of heaven and confined to the earth, as a human form. When Satan is cast to the earth, he will know he has a short time to live. He will cause much chaos on the earth and many people will be deceived. Satan will be "chained" for a thousand years, similar to a person in prison. Satan, along with those who followed him, will be permanently destroyed by Almighty God.

Satan Working Today

Job 1:6-11 and 2:1-3 Satan desired that Job would curse the one true Almighty God. Satan was working evil intentions then, as he does today.

1 Peter 5:8 Peter symbolically depicts the devil "as a roaring lion" warning us to be aware and not easily deceived.

Ephesians 6:11-13 Our fight is a spiritual fight, not a fleshly fight. Spiritual armour provides ability to withstand against evil.

Satan - god of this World

Genesis 3:1-5 Through Satan's deception and lie, Adam and Eve died.

John 8:43-44 Christ said there was no truth in Satan and that he was a murderer from the beginning and the father of lies.

Luke 4:3-8 Satan has power of all the kingdoms of the world. Satan offered to give this power to Christ if he would worship him.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 The god of this world can be very deceptive, don't be blinded!

Ezekiel 28:13-17 Lucifer was in the Garden of Eden and is described as being a very beautiful creature. God set Lucifer up as the anointed, covering cherub (a particular rank of angels). Iniquity was found in him and he will be cast out of the mountain of God and destroyed.

Isaiah 14:12-17 Lucifer thought he could exalt his throne above the stars of God. Men will see him, in the form of a human and be amazed that he deceived the nations.

Revelation 12:7-12 Satan, the accuser, will be cast out of heaven and put on the earth. This will be a very troublesome time.

Revelation 20:1-3, 7 and 10-15 Satan will be bound for a thousand years. After this thousand year time period, Satan will be released for a short time and will again desire to deceive the nations. Satan will then be cast into the lake of fire along with all those that followed him.

Lucifer (the light bearer) is also called the "son of the morning" or morning star. The only other person that is referred to in that way is Jesus (Rev.22:16). Does this mean that Lucifer is Jesus?

Why were these people so confusing when writing this stuff? They are all like carnival employees or something.

ahhhh here we go again....read darling it tells you exactly why......It's all there read the scripture....no again sa blah blah blah but the Bible to me is the truth from Genesis to Revelation and where all my source material comes from....so if don't like...oh well your gig not mine.

Mythological being to you..........to me not the case.....Again I have had my own experiences with angels and had you read then you would see that again I come from a place of living.......so que sir ra sir ra.

I hesitate to become involved here, but will anyway. Lucifer was "Gods chosen for praise", leader of the chior so to speak. When Lucifer decided to try his deception out, with the other angels, about one third of them fell for his very well informed sounding line of crap. Then God spoke to him in away that only a father can probably understand. He told lucifer not to even try what he was doing. God gave him a chance to stop. God informed him that he had lost before he ever even started, that he (God) knew he would do this before he created him. This points out the fact that it had already taken place in the "mind of God". Look at it this way, If I decide to do an act, any kind of a movement of my physical body, My mind/brain may be telling me not to do it that I will get hurt because of the clear and present danger of the consequences of that act. If I do it anyway, I will get hurt. So I choose not to do things that will hurt me, most of the time anyway. (little joke there)! Lucifer could not see into the mind of God anymore than, try as they may, A person can see into the mind of another person. We can identify the actions of another person by knowing the probable and or real outcomes of those actsions. If some one constantly does things to tear down Gods kingdom, we can assume that they are not for God. If someone continually tries to lift Gods kingdom up, we can assume the opposite. It is hard to know although, where a persons heart reall is. They may actually have true love in their heart, they have just not been exposed to the proper input to allow it to show. Lucifer had been given the proper input and he still decided to dissolve his good standing with God by being "greedy"! It was his choice to not give or allow God to stay in control of his spirit. God stated at the time of the creation of man, however you choose to believe it happened is proably ok, that man was the greatest of all his creations. He created us in his image. This does not mean we look like or smell like God. It simply means we have the ability to create good and loving relationships, or we can create discourse amoung the people we are in contact with. We can observe others and know by simple observation which it is that they are doing. But by challenging them on there shortcomming's, we ourselve's become the aggressor or the instigater of hurt. God is love, he is a spirit, not only is he a spirit, he is the greatest spirit of all, LOVE. We can not serve love and hate at the same time. We can either care for all of our fellow human beings, or we can be greedy. It is our choice, but God already knows the outcome of both, as we should, but are much too often consumed by the preoccupation of earthly crap! God is Love-Love is God, thats just a very simple algebraic expression of actually explaining the goal of our Creator. I wish we could have a world wide love day instead of this greed driven crud that is causing people to get stomped to death at the front of markets where they sell earthly treasures for profit!

OK- i see this, but that does not explain why the angels fought with swords amongst each other or why they would need swords to do battle with one another, such as [even though its not stated] between the fallen angels and Micheal and his army- and is it not called an army?


Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,


so we see a "war taking place where? "in heaven"

so again the question, since angels cant be killed, they have no flesh and blood bodies, don't you think its stupid for spiritual creatures who cant kill/murder one another to be fighting one another? Would not god himself be stupid or at least much less than omniscient to go through such wars in heaven? it seems to me he does not have "control" over these things - as i have said here we supposedly have an almighty god/creator that can bring everything into existence in a matter of days that on the other hand cant control his creation and has to resort to wars amongst the angels to bring about what he desires when in all actuality could he not have just spoken and been done with them [the fallen angels] instead of recruiting an army to do so? and fight a battle with swords or any weapons that we know from the book would be ineffectual as to slaying that which can't be slain - spirit?

it makes no sense at all. it puts this god in the position of looking like a commander and chief, a war lord of heaven, who has less power than he or others claim him to have.Again if he spoke the angels into existance, he could have just as easily have spoken them out of existance, no wars - no weapons, no need for disharmony of any kind, which he also could have done with us or any of the rest of his creation, - yet this violent streak is shown of him throughout the old testament and even into the new?

explain please?

Deb, the point is that no one person can say this is what an angel looks like and this is how they breed or this is why they do this and dont do that.

No one can know these things conclusively because no one has captured an angel to study. The same would apply to mermaids in the sea. Some sailors claim they have seen them.

Until they capture one, they will remain mythological.

Therefore, you can not say the Catholic assessment or description of an angel is incorrect.

Thats just because you dont approve of Catholicism.