I think it's more difficult now. There's smaller families and the parents are older. And...sometimes the parents aren't healthy and they are needing help.

So very true my Dear

Oops.

thats my point without it people would litterly starve and worse die.

AHHH HELL NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

*stomps out door shaking head...aint touchin this*

Back then they had more orphanages then they do now.

Have you ever been on Welfare? I suggest you take a step back and try to imagine just how difficult it is for a lot of people. How for many they have no choice- like the aformentioned mothers.

For a few years when I was a child my parents had to go to welfare. HAD to because of the economic decline in our area. I bet you can't even imagine what it's like to be fully capable of work and there be no jobs for you to take.

So maybe "Mr. I have a job but an issue with helping my peers" you should be a little more thankful for what you've got and count your blessings that it's not you in the other guys position.

only problem with that is it's too easy to pass a urine test.no matter how hard they try,people will always figure out a way to pass them.i know it sucks but that's the way it is

Look back at history, there have ALWAYS been people to help those in real need. Communities can together to help widows & orphans. Famlies with illness's, people dropped off food/etc.
Store keepers helped what they could, fire wood showed up by the door.

Those that were faking it & could work, were shunned & allowed to live on what scraps they could find.

I believe we should help the REAL needy, but if drugs/etc. are being used, then I DO NOT want my tax/charity dollars supporting that type of life.

It would not be that expensive to make the system work. People in charge just don't want to take that strong of a stand, would cost them votes.

MY OPINION.

I would like to add: The amount of money that people receive for welfare is not enough to live in. Even after receiving the welfare, these people are living way below the poverty level.

I'm not sure I understand the point of this thread

cause you have to pass a urine test for your private industry job you think people who receive entitlements should have to also?

I don't understand why

It is a good idea to require a simple 4 panel test to get on welfare, if the person is not doing drugs...what is the worry? There is to me little to no concern about this issue except to those that do drugs, if you are on welfare for legitimate reasons there is abslutely no reason to even worry about a simple drug screen.

I'm not saying most people on welfare use drugs, but a lot do. This could save the already fragile economy millions in a fiscal year being able to legally drop some people from the program, as well it would give more money to those that use the program as a temporary option until they can find work.

Fear - not a lot of people on welfare are doing drugs.

And they don't have much money for it either.

Drug testing sounds like a good idea until you realize some of the complications with that idea.

Drug testing would effectively double the amount that is paid to most recipients because it is an expensive test that would require tons of paperwork and staff to manage. What people actually recieve in public assitance is miniscule to what it costs to administer the programs. Are you going to drug test every person who recieves income from administering this entitlement program?

How do you expect the adults who depend on public assistance to survive? Are you going to drug test both parents or only the custodial ones who have accepted being impoverished rather than abandon their children also? Do you want infants and preschool age children forced into daycare? Do you really believe that the adults have job skills to work? Do you want people who have failed a drug test forced into the work place with you? Or into low skills jobs like babysitting or eldercare or retail where they neglect their charges or raise the cost of products in substandard labor? Or more likely into crime?

Also what are you going to do with the millions of children that would effectively be without resources because their parents can not pass a drug test? How are they going to have a minimum of shelter or food?

Are you going to move all these kids into orphanages? Who is going to staff them? Are we going to institute a draft for public service? Would you want to be taken away from your life to care for them? Are you going to afford the mental health care and prisons for the children that fail in that kind of system?

We don't have enough foster care homes as it is. Will you then drug test foster parents? Or the millions of grandparents that recieve public assistance to raise abandoned grand children?

Are you are going to drug test only people who recieve Aid to Families or are you going to drug test every person that gets federal monies? Are you going to drug test every college student that gets a federal scholarship? Are you going to drug test every public official that is paid by the federal government? Are you going to drug test every person in the military? You can not selectively discriminate against one program.

I would like to know if for some reason you lost your job and suddenly had to support a child would you want to be humiliated by having to prove you don't do drugs? You choose to work for your employer and at anytime could change jobs.

Ahhh...Pacific Star. The voice of reason.

Everytime I see the title of this thread I gotta pee!!! Please pass the toilet paper!!!

<--------running to the bathroom!!!!

I disagree with about 100 points you made here:

"If the person is not doing drugs what is the worry?" - Well if you are going to apply a 4 panel test you better be quizzing personality before you even look at the drug test.

"I'm not saying most people on welfare use drugs, but a lot do" - Think about this equation of words for a minute. Do you think that a person that is legitimately in need of money can afford these "drugs" you are referring to because the market is out the roof for the drug world right now with oil prices going down.

"This could save the already fragile economy millions in a fiscal year being able to legally drop some people from the program, as well it would give more money to those that use the program as a temporary option until they can find work." - This sounds like an act of communism to me. Shun those less fortunate and give the money to people that need it temporarily. Those are the people that are going to take it for granted man, not your average pothead. I just don't like your ideas on pulling EVEN MORE from the already dirt poor and giving it to "more" fortunate individuals. Defeats the whole purpose.



My plan on the whole Urine test thing is take it the **** out of the country and base your hiring techniques on in depth interviews and application processes. 90% of companies see that someone doesn't agree to be randomly drug tested and throws their application away. What is this little dipstick trying to prove here, a drug problem, or just another process of screening. I have met a whole ****on of absolute geniuses that do recreational drugs but they could never get a job at even WaL-Mart if they wanted.

You take the urine test away so it gives these "drug heads" (I like to call them humans) a chance to get a job at the place of their choosing so they aren't confined to working at a ****hole place that not even job would work at.

I know not many people are gonna read this in its entirety so I am am just preparing for a "your a stoner" comment. But I'll give you my genuine reasons for smoking herb and I'll try just about any drug once. I smoke weed because I like it to boot, secondly I was born with acid reflux so the THC and resin coat my esophagus thus temporarily relieving the acid burn. Lastly I have ADHD and it helps me level this problem out. I've been experimental with drugs because I am in absolutely love learning about them and experiencing euphoric (outworldly) feelings outside of being in heaven. I'm more of a thinker so I tend to do these drugs alone and i've never done anything more than twice other than pot. In Oklahoma if your caught with as much as a seed on you your going to jail. If the government were to legalize marijuana this country would cut its deficit by at least 1/3 in 2 years I GUARANTEE you that.



Sorry if I got a little cold through any of that, not meant to be offensive or nasty.
I've just seen a lot of biased opinions in here so I thought I would stand up for my culture and actually defend the basic human rights that say you don't have to piss in a cup to be accepted you just have to pass an interview.

Military already is drug tested.
Test politicians, dang right.

Only the guilty should object, if it means money in their pocket, why should they object??

Like a job, don't want the money, don't let them test you. Want the help, jump thru the hoop.

must be different around here in oregon.... i see a lot of gals that have 4-5 children all a yr apart or so cause you dont have to look for work till you baby is one or so...or it used to be that way so they would pop out baby after baby with different dads to stay on assistance... yes there are normal people that get help but it does not seem to be the majority here... i took my son to foodstamps last month to sign up.. he got laid off job market here is horrible now.... im sitting in the parking lot smelling everyones cigarettes they can afford yet they can afford food? hummm... and im talking i seen 8 people there and 7 of them were smoking! pack of smokes here is 4 bucks average. there are a lot of people here in oregon that cant get help that need it they are the lower middle class people all their money goes to normal bills and the ones that cheat the system can go to get help for christmas presents at 8 different places.. ive seen it over and over.. i remember working 2 jobs and my kids getting 3 presents each and the children on welfare got 15 presents each etc... the system has gotten stricter here through the yrs but its sad what a person making 8k a yr and activily looking for a better job or a second job cant get help cause they have 2 cars or maybe they make that money have no insurance.... and have no children living at home so they get denied any health insurance from the state... facts are the lower middle class people here are poorer than the people that get help.. and that is why people dont want to get off getting help cause they then will be worse off.... jmo

We call it a piss quiz in these parts. Piss for enjoyment, not for employment; I always say.