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It is a good idea to require a simple 4 panel test to get on welfare, if the person is not doing drugs...what is the worry? There is to me little to no concern about this issue except to those that do drugs, if you are on welfare for legitimate reasons there is abslutely no reason to even worry about a simple drug screen. I'm not saying most people on welfare use drugs, but a lot do. This could save the already fragile economy millions in a fiscal year being able to legally drop some people from the program, as well it would give more money to those that use the program as a temporary option until they can find work. I disagree with about 100 points you made here: "If the person is not doing drugs what is the worry?" - Well if you are going to apply a 4 panel test you better be quizzing personality before you even look at the drug test. "I'm not saying most people on welfare use drugs, but a lot do" - Think about this equation of words for a minute. Do you think that a person that is legitimately in need of money can afford these "drugs" you are referring to because the market is out the roof for the drug world right now with oil prices going down. "This could save the already fragile economy millions in a fiscal year being able to legally drop some people from the program, as well it would give more money to those that use the program as a temporary option until they can find work." - This sounds like an act of communism to me. Shun those less fortunate and give the money to people that need it temporarily. Those are the people that are going to take it for granted man, not your average pothead. I just don't like your ideas on pulling EVEN MORE from the already dirt poor and giving it to "more" fortunate individuals. Defeats the whole purpose. My plan on the whole Urine test thing is take it the **** out of the country and base your hiring techniques on in depth interviews and application processes. 90% of companies see that someone doesn't agree to be randomly drug tested and throws their application away. What is this little dipstick trying to prove here, a drug problem, or just another process of screening. I have met a whole ****on of absolute geniuses that do recreational drugs but they could never get a job at even WaL-Mart if they wanted. You take the urine test away so it gives these "drug heads" (I like to call them humans) a chance to get a job at the place of their choosing so they aren't confined to working at a ****hole place that not even job would work at. I know not many people are gonna read this in its entirety so I am am just preparing for a "your a stoner" comment. But I'll give you my genuine reasons for smoking herb and I'll try just about any drug once. I smoke weed because I like it to boot, secondly I was born with acid reflux so the THC and resin coat my esophagus thus temporarily relieving the acid burn. Lastly I have ADHD and it helps me level this problem out. I've been experimental with drugs because I am in absolutely love learning about them and experiencing euphoric (outworldly) feelings outside of being in heaven. I'm more of a thinker so I tend to do these drugs alone and i've never done anything more than twice other than pot. In Oklahoma if your caught with as much as a seed on you your going to jail. If the government were to legalize marijuana this country would cut its deficit by at least 1/3 in 2 years I GUARANTEE you that. Sorry if I got a little cold through any of that, not meant to be offensive or nasty. I've just seen a lot of biased opinions in here so I thought I would stand up for my culture and actually defend the basic human rights that say you don't have to piss in a cup to be accepted you just have to pass an interview. "Think about this equation of words for a minute. Do you think that a person that is legitimately in need of money can afford these "drugs" you are referring to because the market is out the roof for the drug world right now with oil prices going down." --See it all the time, used to know tons of people that were on welfare so they could use money to get drugs. From experience it was 9/10 of the people on welfare did drugs, which ranged from meth to weed. Though given the population it is probably about 3/10 in rough respect. A lot of the people I've seen on welfare have low paying jobs for the sole purpose of keeping welfare. "This sounds like an act of communism to me. Shun those less fortunate and give the money to people that need it temporarily. Those are the people that are going to take it for granted man, not your average pothead. I just don't like your ideas on pulling EVEN MORE from the already dirt poor and giving it to "more" fortunate individuals. Defeats the whole purpose." --Simple really, don't do drugs you can get on welfare...do drugs and welfare is exempted. Many people have to take a drug test to get work, the money they make gets taxed for programs like welfare why not give the same stipulations? It isn't shunning the less fortunate, it is putting requirements on something that is too easy to recieve. That and I never said the money would go to the more fortunate, I said recycle it back into the program giving people already on the program more benefits. I smoke weed as well on occasion, but I have a job that is loose with their drug testing so I have more leniency than most people do. However I think it is fair considering if you are on welfare you won't do drugs at risk of not getting a job, correct? OooooO I love this. Finally found an intelligent person who wants to discuss something. BOUT TIME. I believe that if your on welfare you probably have made all the sacrifices you can already. I don't disagree with your point here at all. All i'm trying to say is that the only form of discrimination allowed in the workplace anymore is that against drug users seeing as how they are screened and harassed. I used to be completely clean about 3 years ago from EVERYTHING and my mom started piss testing me in fear that I was doing something "wrong". I passed all 7 of her random tests and I just felt like screaming "YOU ****IN SEE NOW, YOU HAVE IT ON A STRIP SO THERE'S YOUR HARD EVIDENCE", It was soooo degrading for me to do that, even now if I were completely clean I would hate to take a urine test. They ask you to pee in a cup to see if your "prestigious" enough to work at their bloodthirsty and money hungry place of operation. Equal rights, if your not going to alcohol test you can't drug test. Completely bogus. I for one have decided not to drink but do you see me reaping any substantial benefits, other than my liver lasting a little longer. No. You can't accept one thing that messes you up then turn around and say no to something else that messes you up. Some justice would be nice in this situation. I have petitioned this and got 1016 signatures stating that it was an invasion of human rights, general privacy, and if nothing else, The Pursuit of Happiness. It seems to me like an elementary and rudimentary system that is harbored by our state laws and individual companies. Regarding your mom: After somebody has been using, it takes time to earn the trust again. She probably did it because she cares about you. 
Well I had not been using anything at the time or previously. But my teenage streak kicked in and as soon as I got out of the house I went ape ****. Thats that dirty rebellion gene haha. It actually took HER a long ass time to earn MY trust back. But even when she was doing it I knew for a fact I was gonna pass, but I thought to myself what the hell is the point of drug testing me if im not on drugs. I mean I had worked so hard on staying clean and not falling into the "wrong" crowd so I could impress my family and girlfriend, after that test I felt a new level of rebellion, almost like "I'm gonna start owning up to what people claim that I do" She wouldn't hear it or sway her decision any. Looking back on it, it seems like a pretty Hitleresque action. I love my mom very deeply and stay very close to her with my older brother dieing about a year ago. Of course she is protective and that's why I dealt with as much **** as I did. She did it out of grief and worry. That guy was my world too. |
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Winx - You are correct, and I never stated that it did just noting my own observation from where I lived at the time. I have no doubt the majority of people on welfare are on it for good reason, but from what I've seen maybe 1 out of 10 of them are on it for a good reason.
Applebutta - I do think drug testing should be eliminated from the employment process or at the very least only select drugs be tested. As it is now it is flawed in many respects, such as self medication purposes. I champion the legalization of marijuana for this purpose, we send many people into jail/prison for marijuana and it hasn't even been proven to have more lethal effects than alcohol. As it is though it is apart of the employment screen, and I don't see it getting eliminated anytime soon however if we can get certain substances removed from the testing process I think that in itself will make leaps and bounds in employment. I'm not saying I'm against welfare, but from what I've personally seen I am against it in that aspect. People live in poverty a lot because of choice, they can move if they wanted but don't for whatever reason. I moved out of poverty because I wanted too, but I never recieved any assistance from the state as far as welfare goes though I tried I never went through with the process (probably more stupidity than anything on my part). |
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Winx - You are correct, and I never stated that it did just noting my own observation from where I lived at the time. I have no doubt the majority of people on welfare are on it for good reason, but from what I've seen maybe 1 out of 10 of them are on it for a good reason. Applebutta - I do think drug testing should be eliminated from the employment process or at the very least only select drugs be tested. As it is now it is flawed in many respects, such as self medication purposes. I champion the legalization of marijuana for this purpose, we send many people into jail/prison for marijuana and it hasn't even been proven to have more lethal effects than alcohol. As it is though it is apart of the employment screen, and I don't see it getting eliminated anytime soon however if we can get certain substances removed from the testing process I think that in itself will make leaps and bounds in employment. I'm not saying I'm against welfare, but from what I've personally seen I am against it in that aspect. People live in poverty a lot because of choice, they can move if they wanted but don't for whatever reason. I moved out of poverty because I wanted too, but I never recieved any assistance from the state as far as welfare goes though I tried I never went through with the process (probably more stupidity than anything on my part). I'm the same way, I have definitely needed welfare I just don't feel right taking money from a government that so wrongly represents me. Just like I can't steal money from a person because they earned it. I don't like the idea of taking something that is not rightfully yours. Nothing against the people in this forum that are receiving welfare. I just don't do it for my own moral reasons. I can also rest easy at night knowing that my full share of the achievable welfare is going to a veteran, single mother, single father, elderly family, or a proven disabled person. I'm a very caring person tho, most of the people I know personally wouldn't feel any differently one way or another. |
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Edited by
FearandLoathing
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Tue 11/18/08 04:33 PM
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Okay, after running through some stats and factsheets as well as hearing differing opinions I am willing to admit that drug screen would defeat the purpose of welfare. However I still lean to some stipulations on eligibility, though this should be dealt with by a third party aside from government.
I'm still looking into things and arranging my view accordingly, some new information gathered has changed my previous stance. |
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another solution is to have jobs that are just handed out such as.... cleaning the parks, doing the landscaping , picking up trash from freeways, serving homeless people food and cooking it for them and doing the dishes, helping out the elderly, i think foodstamps should be earned in such a way rather than just handed out...perhaps the state have a big farm where the food for prisioners are grown and people could work off the food stamps... in no way am i downing people on food stamps i had them once for 6 months as welfare i did also for 2 months . i certainally would of rather earned my foodstamps rather than to be handed to me... i guess thats why i had a job 1 week later after applying and a promotion 2 months after that...i once got food from a church when i was out of food... i asked them if i could do something like work there for a day or 2 to give back... answer was no, talk about self esteem issue that gave me... not being able to earn the food....... I used to work for the county and you are required by the state to work or volunteer at least 35 hours of your time to get welfare...........I know thats how it works in California..............for you to get welfare you either have to be looking for a job which they verify or you have to be going to school at least 30 hours a week to receive any type of support..............so people lets get with the times welfare isnt what it used to be and it hasnt been that way for the past 10years............this is what California has been doing i dont know about other states...... In Missouri, you have be looking for work or receiving job training to receive welfare (unless disabled). And there is a time limit. We both know that $250/mth. for 2 kids isn't anything. Grrr.. The system has it flaws. They need to be ironed out. I know someone that receives SSI, Section 8, food stamps and has a child. She really physically can't work. She is trying very hard to work. She works 4 hrs./day. So...her food stamps have been cut back and she's right back where she started. She sometimes doesn't have money for food and her gas was turned off for 2 mths. Our state doesn't give much in the way of food stamps, btw. |
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OMG! There was an ad about Ebay and books about drug testing!!
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Winx - You are correct, and I never stated that it did just noting my own observation from where I lived at the time. I have no doubt the majority of people on welfare are on it for good reason, but from what I've seen maybe 1 out of 10 of them are on it for a good reason. Applebutta - I do think drug testing should be eliminated from the employment process or at the very least only select drugs be tested. As it is now it is flawed in many respects, such as self medication purposes. I champion the legalization of marijuana for this purpose, we send many people into jail/prison for marijuana and it hasn't even been proven to have more lethal effects than alcohol. As it is though it is apart of the employment screen, and I don't see it getting eliminated anytime soon however if we can get certain substances removed from the testing process I think that in itself will make leaps and bounds in employment. I'm not saying I'm against welfare, but from what I've personally seen I am against it in that aspect. People live in poverty a lot because of choice, they can move if they wanted but don't for whatever reason. I moved out of poverty because I wanted too, but I never recieved any assistance from the state as far as welfare goes though I tried I never went through with the process (probably more stupidity than anything on my part). I'm the same way, I have definitely needed welfare I just don't feel right taking money from a government that so wrongly represents me. Just like I can't steal money from a person because they earned it. I don't like the idea of taking something that is not rightfully yours. Nothing against the people in this forum that are receiving welfare. I just don't do it for my own moral reasons. I can also rest easy at night knowing that my full share of the achievable welfare is going to a veteran, single mother, single father, elderly family, or a proven disabled person. I'm a very caring person tho, most of the people I know personally wouldn't feel any differently one way or another. |
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another solution is to have jobs that are just handed out such as.... cleaning the parks, doing the landscaping , picking up trash from freeways, serving homeless people food and cooking it for them and doing the dishes, helping out the elderly, i think foodstamps should be earned in such a way rather than just handed out...perhaps the state have a big farm where the food for prisioners are grown and people could work off the food stamps... in no way am i downing people on food stamps i had them once for 6 months as welfare i did also for 2 months . i certainally would of rather earned my foodstamps rather than to be handed to me... i guess thats why i had a job 1 week later after applying and a promotion 2 months after that...i once got food from a church when i was out of food... i asked them if i could do something like work there for a day or 2 to give back... answer was no, talk about self esteem issue that gave me... not being able to earn the food....... I used to work for the county and you are required by the state to work or volunteer at least 35 hours of your time to get welfare...........I know thats how it works in California..............for you to get welfare you either have to be looking for a job which they verify or you have to be going to school at least 30 hours a week to receive any type of support..............so people lets get with the times welfare isnt what it used to be and it hasnt been that way for the past 10years............this is what California has been doing i dont know about other states...... In Missouri, you have be looking for work or receiving job training to receive welfare (unless disabled). And there is a time limit. We both know that $250/mth. for 2 kids isn't anything. Grrr.. The system has it flaws. They need to be ironed out. I know someone that receives SSI, Section 8, food stamps and has a child. She really physically can't work. She is trying very hard to work. She works 4 hrs./day. So...her food stamps have been cut back and she's right back where she started. She sometimes doesn't have money for food and her gas was turned off for 2 mths. Our state doesn't give much in the way of food stamps, btw.  a month? i would of been rich girlfriend!!!! 250 two hundred and fifety dollars for 17 yrs!!!! period flat 250 bucks his child support was 140 month for 2 kids and he never paid
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another solution is to have jobs that are just handed out such as.... cleaning the parks, doing the landscaping , picking up trash from freeways, serving homeless people food and cooking it for them and doing the dishes, helping out the elderly, i think foodstamps should be earned in such a way rather than just handed out...perhaps the state have a big farm where the food for prisioners are grown and people could work off the food stamps... in no way am i downing people on food stamps i had them once for 6 months as welfare i did also for 2 months . i certainally would of rather earned my foodstamps rather than to be handed to me... i guess thats why i had a job 1 week later after applying and a promotion 2 months after that...i once got food from a church when i was out of food... i asked them if i could do something like work there for a day or 2 to give back... answer was no, talk about self esteem issue that gave me... not being able to earn the food....... I used to work for the county and you are required by the state to work or volunteer at least 35 hours of your time to get welfare...........I know thats how it works in California..............for you to get welfare you either have to be looking for a job which they verify or you have to be going to school at least 30 hours a week to receive any type of support..............so people lets get with the times welfare isnt what it used to be and it hasnt been that way for the past 10years............this is what California has been doing i dont know about other states...... In Missouri, you have be looking for work or receiving job training to receive welfare (unless disabled). And there is a time limit. We both know that $250/mth. for 2 kids isn't anything. Grrr.. The system has it flaws. They need to be ironed out. I know someone that receives SSI, Section 8, food stamps and has a child. She really physically can't work. She is trying very hard to work. She works 4 hrs./day. So...her food stamps have been cut back and she's right back where she started. She sometimes doesn't have money for food and her gas was turned off for 2 mths. Our state doesn't give much in the way of food stamps, btw. a month? i would of been rich girlfriend!!!! 250 two hundred and fifety dollars for 17 yrs!!!! period flat 250 bucks his child support was 140 month for 2 kids and he never paid
OMG, I thought it was so low that you meant for a month!! And I thought it was too low for a month. Yikes, Buttons, that's just awful.
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Like many folks in this state, I have a job. I work they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who do not have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their BUTT, doing drugs, while I work. . . . Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?.......Stuart To me, thats very ignorant. People can't stay on welfare forever you know. There is a time limit and certain things people have to do to be on it. One is called the JOBS program. It helps the people either find a job, get their GED and go back to school. I mean, I have worked my whole life and when I needed some assistance from the government, by god I took it. Another thing, is that yes I was on welfare, and I went to court and my sons father has to pay back what was payed to me. So really nothing comes out of your damn check. Before you spout off about welfare, read up on the subject first. |
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