I did...

Me, too... and my brother and sister.

sooooooooooo...lrt's say a prayer...

9 siblings here...thats lots of praying...gulp !!!

Religion and religous institutions have no place in dictating to the masses who they should or should not put into power. Last time i checked America was a democratic republic and not a theocracy. Those who choose to let their morals, virtues and personal convictions guide their choices earn my respect not those who throw sense and reason out the window. Those who have eyes should use them rather then choosing to blindly follow the edicts of those who claim to be close to the divine and therefore percieve themselves to always be in the right.

Yeah, the Catholic Chruch does not support abortion. This is news to you?

And if you believe in what the Church teaches, then you cannot support a candidate that supports abortion. And if you voted for one, then you have taken a direct action against Church doctrine,against the Church itself.

It's their Church, their rules, just like any other organization. Abide by the rules or leave.

So, they've been sharing/giving communion for years with parishioners who use birth control??

They don't want those members leaving as long as they tithe.

Priests, churches and governments are all institutions of man and are by their nature corrupt.

Your Bible tells you so.

i dont understand why this is a big deal? obama had his crazy preacher.... why cant "the over-powerful right biggot baby-eating" have its?

WELL PUT.....

not everything is corrupt.....good grief.....

AND I suggest "refreshing" up on John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have life eternal....."



We are all sinners (let me clarify that...Christians....) and fall short of the Glory of God.......if it were not for Jesus (as far as applying to Christians)none of us would make it to Heaven.......

THIS IS NOT saying things mentioned in prior posts are to be "overlooked".....but to emphasize that we are mere human beings......

LINDYY

Individuals have the right to believe in and follow whatever doctrine thy so chose.....

Lindyy

I believe that is what i stated in my previous post Lindyy. I just pray for those individuals sakes that their "belief in doctrine" does not become the shackles of their minds and spirits.

do they share communion with the non medical induced obese glutony is also agianst church doctrine (if they go by the bible)

do they share with the alcoholic that still drinks this to is also agianst church doctrine (if they go by the bible)

do they share with the pedophile seems there are a few of those in the catholic arena --hhhhmmmmm

shall i go on

another reason to stay as far from organized religion as much as possible hypocrisy runs ramp id there

shall i go on or is this enough

Ok, a billion "Our Father's" and a zillion "Hail, Mary's". You take half and I'll take the other half. We'll see if it does us more good now than it did then!

I do not think it can reduced to the word "doctrine".....but the primary beliefs in God's word contained in the Christians' "Holy Bible."

The Bible (as far as relating to Christians) states that Christians are to adhere to God's Holy Word.......for the spiritual leaders of any Christian denomination NOT to do so would be in GREAT CONTEMPT of God.....

The Catholic Church, as I understand, was speaking to members of the Catholic Church worldwide.....


Personally.....if a candidate is NOT PRO-LIFE....he/she does not get the time of day with me.......if one cannot respect the unborn child....that tells ME ALL I need to know about that individual...

Lindyy

Obama said that he is personally not for abortion. He doesn't want to take other's choices away. He is big on education and prevention of pregnancy.

That tells me a lot about an individual.

Yeppers, some people blindly follow those candidates who say they are pro-life to get your vote but who, despite having a firm grip for six years on political power in Washington did nothing for the pro-lifers.

Sure they used the partial birth abortion issue and Terri Shivo to incite their voter base and keep the us versus them issue in the news but really what did those pro-life family values republicans do for you when they had the chance.

You are being milked for your vote haha

Gotta love one issue blind obedience in a flock as you lead them to slaughter.

Oh, brother...........

I agree with you! I also dont think any "Doctrine", "Religous beleifs" as a whole(Im not say as an individual we have freedom of religon), Non-Profit of any kind (Im talking them all), Bussiness as a whole has any right participating in OUR political process! OUR true freedom comes from OUR vote!!!!

HERE are some verses that describe children from GOD'S perspective:

Children are a gift from God (Genesis 4:1; Genesis 33:5). Children are a heritage from the Lord (Psalm 127:3-5). Children are a blessing from God (Luke 1:42). Children are a crown to the aged (Proverbs 17:6). God blesses barren women with children (Psalm 113:9; Genesis 21:1-3; 25:21-22; 30:1-2; 1 Samuel 1:6-8; Luke 1:7, 24-25). God forms children in the womb (Psalm 139:13-16). God knows children before their birth (Jeremiah 1:5; Galatians 1:15).


AND:
THIS TELLS ME A LOT ABOUT OBAMA ".....I don't want my daughters PUNISHED with a baby.....
Straight from his own DISGRACEFUL mouth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo


OBAMA:
Voted against banning partial birth abortion....
Obama's record in Illinois represents that of a pragmatic progressive, who pushed for moderate reforms and opposed right-wing legislation. In the IL legislature, voting "present" is the equivalent of voting "no" because a majority of "yes" votes are required for passage. Many IL legislators use the "present" vote as an evasion on an unpopular choice, so that they can avoid being targeted for voting "no." During the 2004 Democratic primary, an opponent mocked Obama's "present" vote on abortion bills with flyers portraying a rubber duck and the words, "He ducked!".
In 1997, Obama voted against SB 230, which would have turned doctors into felons by banning so-called partial-birth abortion, & against a 2000 bill banning state funding. Although these bills included an exception to save the life of the mother, they didn't include anything about abortions necessary to protect the health of the mother. The legislation defined a fetus as a person, & could have criminalized virtually all abortion.

Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.147-148 Oct 30, 2007


AS you all know....obama is very big on abortion.


Wikipedia:

PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION (Which obama supports):

Under the Intact D&X method, the largest part of the fetus (the head) is reduced in diameter to allow vaginal passage. According to the American Medical Association, this procedure has four main elements.[8] First, the cervix is dilated. Second, the fetus is positioned for a footling breech. Third, the fetus is partially pulled out, starting with the feet, as far as the neck. Fourth, the brain and material inside the skull is evacuated, so that a dead but otherwise intact fetus can be delivered via the vagina.

Usually, preliminary procedures are performed over a period of two to three days, to gradually dilate the cervix using laminaria tents (sticks of seaweed which absorb fluid and swell). Sometimes drugs such as synthetic pitocin are used to induce labor. Once the cervix is sufficiently dilated, the doctor uses an ultrasound and forceps to grasp the fetus' leg. The fetus is turned to a breech position, if necessary, and the doctor pulls one or both legs out of the birth canal, causing what is referred to by some people as the 'partial birth' of the fetus. The doctor subsequently extracts the rest of the fetus, usually without the aid of forceps, leaving only the head still inside the birth canal. An incision is made at the base of the skull, scissors are inserted into the incision and opened to widen the opening,[9] and then a suction catheter is inserted into the opening. The brain is suctioned out, which causes the skull to collapse and allows the fetus to pass more easily through the birth canal. The placenta is removed and the uterine wall is vacuum aspirated using a cannula.[10]

NOT VERY NICE.........


OH and mrs. obama:
By Jill Stanek @ Americans United For Life www.AUL.org/gala

May 20, 2008
Michelle Obama's partial birth abortion fundraising letter:

In February 2004, Michelle Obama wrote a fundraising letter during her husband's 2004 US Senate campaign claiming the partial birth abortion ban "is clearly unconstitutional" and "a flawed law."

I'd like to ask Michelle to explain her legal opinion about this law the Supremes went on to declare constitutional. I'd like to ask Michelle how in the world she could in good conscience raise money from fear-mongering about this barbaric abortion procedure.

But Barack, bristling at a TN GOP ad taking Michelle to task for her "for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country" line, has issued a warning to "lay off my wife." As a commenter on another blog wrote, "'Free speech for me but not for thee'" - A typical leftwing position. Don't get in the ring if you don't intend to fight."


SURE DOES TELL YOU A LOT ABOUT THIS BEING & HIS SPOUSE.

Sure does tell me something about their marriage.

WOW what a concept...intelligent adult people who respect each others opinions and independence.

Imagine not being told what to think by a husband or a church.

Quite a concept eh?