Of course I can judge it. Otherwise who you are you and society to judge me if I robbed a bank, stole from my employer, or broke into your home???
We define what behaviors and actions are right and wrong, its called the law. If we break the laws, we are subject to the consequences. Or will you not judge me if I break into you home and steal from you? Will you say, thats OK Bro, who am I to judge?
Some people feel that abortion, under all circumstances is never the right thing to do.

Well arnt you talking about two kinda laws. Laws of the church and laws of the people. Isnt that where freedom of religion really comes into play?

Sorry Guy you lost me...???

Separation of church and state?

it does not say that

it says

no law establishing nor prohibiting the practice of

So in this discussion, How is the Church FORCING its laws on the State?

You are talking about holding people responsable for breaking the Law. Breaking into homes, murder, rape. VOTE LOCALLY!! Is the churchs law not a seperate law. If its not, Ive got a bunch of religons with their own laws that want their rights.

I didn't say that. I'm not in the mood for a deep discussion like that one.

I thought that's what he might be referring to...hence, the question mark.

A good analogy is the Electral Collage. It limits big states from having all the say.

Scary thought. One religion has many, many members. They vote according to church policy. (Btw, that scares the crap out of me.)

Now I'm thinking about Muslim countries. There are non-Muslim people living there. There are even Christians living there. The laws are the Muslim way. And it's not a pretty picture.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

I am still lost with what point you are trying to make.

well i am not in the mood neither but hey it distracts me so


everyonr is saying seperation of church and state but it says


congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

therefor it can not establish a religion (you have to believe)

but if you do believe they can not say you can not believe nor cna not practice said belief

or stop you from telling others what you believe

so when push come to shove in actuality the believer has the right to speak the religion that they believe in

in speaking of said religion they may tell their beliefs

if their beliefs conflict with your beliefs then you do not have to listen but you can not shut them up

so if they see things against their religion that is being practiced they have the "RIGHT" to speak against it

does that mean the law should be made to change because of it

no because hat would be passing a law establishing said religion be default

so are we talking abortion or gay rights here i came in late

Me?

No Templter, what is the point you are trying to make?

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Please read it again. I see the Muslim religion making the laws of the land. I don't want to see that here with religion.

Calm down, boy.