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Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 11/13/08 10:21 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population.

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Thu 11/13/08 10:23 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. did you read my post

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Thu 11/13/08 10:23 PM
well i am not in the mood neither but hey it distracts me so everyonr is saying seperation of church and state but it says congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. therefor it can not establish a religion (you have to believe) but if you do believe they can not say you can not believe nor cna not practice said belief or stop you from telling others what you believe so when push come to shove in actuality the believer has the right to speak the religion that they believe in in speaking of said religion they may tell their beliefs if their beliefs conflict with your beliefs then you do not have to listen but you can not shut them up so if they see things against their religion that is being practiced they have the "RIGHT" to speak against it does that mean the law should be made to change because of it no because hat would be passing a law establishing said religion be default so are we talking abortion or gay rights here i came in late

michiganman3 Joined Mon 10/29/07 Posts: 14521	Thu 11/13/08 10:26 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. Church law is separate from civil law. Churchs/Religions can and do influence the process through its members. They can dictate to its members who they feel they should vote for, and how to vote on certain issues. I don't have a problem with that.

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Thu 11/13/08 10:29 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. Church law is separate from civil law. Churchs/Religions can and do influence the process through its members. They can dictate to its members who they feel they should vote for, and how to vote on certain issues. I don't have a problem with that. this is were this quote comes into play --------- democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority Thomas Jefferson

michiganman3 Joined Mon 10/29/07 Posts: 14521	Thu 11/13/08 10:32 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. Church law is separate from civil law. Churchs/Religions can and do influence the process through its members. They can dictate to its members who they feel they should vote for, and how to vote on certain issues. I don't have a problem with that. this is were this quote comes into play --------- democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority Thomas Jefferson That is why we have a Republic, and not a true Democracy.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 11/13/08 10:34 PM
well i am not in the mood neither but hey it distracts me so everyonr is saying seperation of church and state but it says congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. therefor it can not establish a religion (you have to believe) but if you do believe they can not say you can not believe nor cna not practice said belief or stop you from telling others what you believe so when push come to shove in actuality the believer has the right to speak the religion that they believe in in speaking of said religion they may tell their beliefs if their beliefs conflict with your beliefs then you do not have to listen but you can not shut them up so if they see things against their religion that is being practiced they have the "RIGHT" to speak against it does that mean the law should be made to change because of it no because hat would be passing a law establishing said religion be default so are we talking abortion or gay rights here i came in late I have researched this when I get time. I am not arguing the law or interpation of. I am seeing what the people beleive. Do the people really understand the laws. I say 60 out of 100 people will say its aganist the law for church to particpate in policy. Are people really understanding the law..I DONT!!

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Thu 11/13/08 10:35 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. Church law is separate from civil law. Churchs/Religions can and do influence the process through its members. They can dictate to its members who they feel they should vote for, and how to vote on certain issues. I don't have a problem with that. this is were this quote comes into play --------- democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority Thomas Jefferson That is why we have a Republic, and not a true Democracy. but it is not working i understand that we have a republic based goft but we actually have a montage govt democratic republic with feudalistic and socialistic tendancies

michiganman3 Joined Mon 10/29/07 Posts: 14521	Thu 11/13/08 10:36 PM
well i am not in the mood neither but hey it distracts me so everyonr is saying seperation of church and state but it says congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. therefor it can not establish a religion (you have to believe) but if you do believe they can not say you can not believe nor cna not practice said belief or stop you from telling others what you believe so when push come to shove in actuality the believer has the right to speak the religion that they believe in in speaking of said religion they may tell their beliefs if their beliefs conflict with your beliefs then you do not have to listen but you can not shut them up so if they see things against their religion that is being practiced they have the "RIGHT" to speak against it does that mean the law should be made to change because of it no because hat would be passing a law establishing said religion be default so are we talking abortion or gay rights here i came in late I have researched this when I get time. I am not arguing the law or interpation of. I am seeing what the people beleive. Do the people really understand the laws. I say 60 out of 100 people will say its aganist the law for church to particpate in policy. Are people really understanding the law..I DONT!! Again, what is the point you are trying to make?

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Thu 11/13/08 10:37 PM
well i am not in the mood neither but hey it distracts me so everyonr is saying seperation of church and state but it says congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. therefor it can not establish a religion (you have to believe) but if you do believe they can not say you can not believe nor cna not practice said belief or stop you from telling others what you believe so when push come to shove in actuality the believer has the right to speak the religion that they believe in in speaking of said religion they may tell their beliefs if their beliefs conflict with your beliefs then you do not have to listen but you can not shut them up so if they see things against their religion that is being practiced they have the "RIGHT" to speak against it does that mean the law should be made to change because of it no because hat would be passing a law establishing said religion be default so are we talking abortion or gay rights here i came in late I have researched this when I get time. I am not arguing the law or interpation of. I am seeing what the people beleive. Do the people really understand the laws. I say 60 out of 100 people will say its aganist the law for church to particpate in policy. Are people really understanding the law..I DONT!! this is the law of the land right here ---------------------------- congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. ----------------------------- so important that it is the first law of the land

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 11/13/08 10:39 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. Church law is separate from civil law. Churchs/Religions can and do influence the process through its members. They can dictate to its members who they feel they should vote for, and how to vote on certain issues. I don't have a problem with that. I have no problem with indidual members donating to what ever they like. I do have a problem when the Church as a whole donating money to a political cause, same with the non-profits. That my friend is represntation without taxation. I PAY MY TAXES as do all the members of the church. The church as whole does not!

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Thu 11/13/08 10:43 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. Church law is separate from civil law. Churchs/Religions can and do influence the process through its members. They can dictate to its members who they feel they should vote for, and how to vote on certain issues. I don't have a problem with that. I have no problem with indidual members donating to what ever they like. I do have a problem when the Church as a whole donating money to a political cause, same with the non-profits. That my friend is represntation without taxation. I PAY MY TAXES as do all the members of the church. The church as whole does not! are you saying if one pays no tax they should not be represented

michiganman3 Joined Mon 10/29/07 Posts: 14521	Thu 11/13/08 10:45 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. Church law is separate from civil law. Churchs/Religions can and do influence the process through its members. They can dictate to its members who they feel they should vote for, and how to vote on certain issues. I don't have a problem with that. I have no problem with indidual members donating to what ever they like. I do have a problem when the Church as a whole donating money to a political cause, same with the non-profits. That my friend is represntation without taxation. I PAY MY TAXES as do all the members of the church. The church as whole does not! And just what does this have to do with the Catholic Church telling its members they can't take communion if they voted for Obama because he is pro-choice? Nothing.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 11/13/08 10:47 PM
AM I wrong? YES under said law or interpation of said law. Is it right no. Laws or interpation of those law can be change by the people..

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 11/13/08 10:49 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. Church law is separate from civil law. Churchs/Religions can and do influence the process through its members. They can dictate to its members who they feel they should vote for, and how to vote on certain issues. I don't have a problem with that. I have no problem with indidual members donating to what ever they like. I do have a problem when the Church as a whole donating money to a political cause, same with the non-profits. That my friend is represntation without taxation. I PAY MY TAXES as do all the members of the church. The church as whole does not! are you saying if one pays no tax they should not be represented No im not. I want equal representation for ALL

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Thu 11/13/08 10:52 PM
AM I wrong? YES under said law or interpation of said law. Is it right no. Laws or interpation of those law can be change by the people.. to change an ammendment takes congress and i think 2/3 of the states to change it or an article 5 convention ------------ and for the record i think churches should have to be audited on a regular basis if they show a profit they should have to pay taxes and after 3 times in five years they lose the exempt status completely churches used to be there to help but now a lot of them are just a tax shelter for their members

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 11/13/08 10:55 PM Edited by Unknow on Thu 11/13/08 10:56 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. Church law is separate from civil law. Churchs/Religions can and do influence the process through its members. They can dictate to its members who they feel they should vote for, and how to vote on certain issues. I don't have a problem with that. I have no problem with indidual members donating to what ever they like. I do have a problem when the Church as a whole donating money to a political cause, same with the non-profits. That my friend is represntation without taxation. I PAY MY TAXES as do all the members of the church. The church as whole does not! And just what does this have to do with the Catholic Church telling its members they can't take communion if they voted for Obama because he is pro-choice? Nothing. It dont... It has to do with The Church of Latter Day saints donating money to support Prep8 in California. Sorry the Cathlic church was in play.

michiganman3 Joined Mon 10/29/07 Posts: 14521	Thu 11/13/08 10:57 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. Church law is separate from civil law. Churchs/Religions can and do influence the process through its members. They can dictate to its members who they feel they should vote for, and how to vote on certain issues. I don't have a problem with that. I have no problem with indidual members donating to what ever they like. I do have a problem when the Church as a whole donating money to a political cause, same with the non-profits. That my friend is represntation without taxation. I PAY MY TAXES as do all the members of the church. The church as whole does not! And just what does this have to do with the Catholic Church telling its members they can't take communion if they voted for Obama because he is pro-choice? Nothing. It dont... It has to do with The Church of Latter Day saints donating money to support Prep8 in California. Sorry the Cathlic church was in play. Thank for bringing that up four pages into the discussion.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 11/13/08 10:58 PM
Goodnite all.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 11/13/08 10:59 PM
I am still lost with what point you are trying to make. Is Church laws separate from Government laws? I would hope you say yes. Is it right for Church, we have many, Freedom of religion, to participate as a whole in the laws of government? If you say yes, Then you have to give every religion the same representation. Just like the Electoral college is supposed to do for the states because of population. Church law is separate from civil law. Churchs/Religions can and do influence the process through its members. They can dictate to its members who they feel they should vote for, and how to vote on certain issues. I don't have a problem with that. I have no problem with indidual members donating to what ever they like. I do have a problem when the Church as a whole donating money to a political cause, same with the non-profits. That my friend is represntation without taxation. I PAY MY TAXES as do all the members of the church. The church as whole does not! And just what does this have to do with the Catholic Church telling its members they can't take communion if they voted for Obama because he is pro-choice? Nothing. It dont... It has to do with The Church of Latter Day saints donating money to support Prep8 in California. Sorry the Cathlic church was in play. Thank for bringing that up four pages into the discussion. Its the same argument!