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We as people try to hid our sins, even though it is apparent that no one is perfect, we are afraid of being judged so we lie hide and decieve others into believing we are somthing we are not... God is the only one who will judge us, because judgement should never be a equal judgement since every story is different (exceptions). We allow this into our lives, this evil and eventually becomes us.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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You WANT ME? to believe that they are telling the truth, when people on a daily basis get paid off from drug companies to hide certain information? You're confusing science with tecnnology and business. How do scientists get paid, theyre not volunteers remember this!!!!!!! THERES NO MONEY IN A CURE =) Yes and you are attempting to assert here that evangelical Christians are absolutely corruption free? Of course none of them are involved with narcotic sales, prostitution, adultery, racism, theft or whatever else. Isnt their something in your book of fables there about "not throwing rocks in a glass house" ? You are getting me wrong then, im saying it is entirly possible that "Christians" are capable of being more evil than the "Athesists" after all the most evil was an Angel himself... You do get me wrong, what i am saying is dont think that those "Christians" are really Christians, they are wolves in sheeps clothing, this is my point, MAN have the ability to do evil things Well most any atheist I have met has at least been straight forward about who he or she is. They dont attempt to put on a cloak of piousness because they dont require that bologna. What you see is what you get. maybe some people over exter themselves on becoming the perfect christian, they lead themselves to hate, failure since perfection is impossible. No ones perfect dont blame God because people are capable of being such No one is blaming god. This is the second time I have had to say this. I dont personally believe in this "god" character. I have already told you it is an invented premise created by a bunch of agenda driven men. I blame people for their own mistakes. Of course no one is perfect. It does not require perfection to be able to distinguish between right and wrong. Stoning young women to death because they are not virgins is indeed listed in the bible as just cause for murder. That is not about being perfect. That is about creating monsters. |
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You WANT ME? to believe that they are telling the truth, when people on a daily basis get paid off from drug companies to hide certain information? You're confusing science with tecnnology and business. How do scientists get paid, theyre not volunteers remember this!!!!!!! THERES NO MONEY IN A CURE =) Yes and you are attempting to assert here that evangelical Christians are absolutely corruption free? Of course none of them are involved with narcotic sales, prostitution, adultery, racism, theft or whatever else. Isnt their something in your book of fables there about "not throwing rocks in a glass house" ? You are getting me wrong then, im saying it is entirly possible that "Christians" are capable of being more evil than the "Athesists" after all the most evil was an Angel himself... You do get me wrong, what i am saying is dont think that those "Christians" are really Christians, they are wolves in sheeps clothing, this is my point, MAN have the ability to do evil things Well most any atheist I have met has at least been straight forward about who he or she is. They dont attempt to put on a cloak of piousness because they dont require that bologna. What you see is what you get. maybe some people over exter themselves on becoming the perfect christian, they lead themselves to hate, failure since perfection is impossible. No ones perfect dont blame God because people are capable of being such No one is blaming god. This is the second time I have had to say this. I dont personally believe in this "god" character. I have already told you it is an invented premise created by a bunch of agenda driven men. I blame people for their own mistakes. Of course no one is perfect. It does not require perfection to be able to disseminate between right and wrong. Stoning young women to death because they are not virgins is indeed listed in the bible as just cause for murder. That is not about being perfect. That is about creating monsters. quote where this is then we will discuss it =) |
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I found another cause for stoning. For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 Um okay, if Im understanding this cryptic wording, if this broad doesn't have a hymen, they are going to stone her to death. Not all virgins have hymens to begin with and some have them but they rupture prior to actual intercourse. So I wonder how many girls were murdered over the ages simply because they didnt bleed a little after penetration or because some stupid elder could not find evidence of an intact hymen.   
This is the origional quote taken from scripture. |
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You are quite right in your assumption. Unfortunately assumptions have created wars 
Actually I am pretty sure that most wars have had their roots in religion. |
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You are quite right in your assumption. Unfortunately assumptions have created wars
Actually I am pretty sure that most wars have had their roots in religion. Acutally it is money and power..... |
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You WANT ME? to believe that they are telling the truth, when people on a daily basis get paid off from drug companies to hide certain information? You're confusing science with tecnnology and business. How do scientists get paid, theyre not volunteers remember this!!!!!!! THERES NO MONEY IN A CURE =) You're confusing scientists with technologists, but it's no wonder since people abuse these terms all the time even in industry. So you're not alone in that. But just so you know, you're pointing fingers in the wrong directions. |
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You WANT ME? to believe that they are telling the truth, when people on a daily basis get paid off from drug companies to hide certain information? You're confusing science with tecnnology and business. How do scientists get paid, theyre not volunteers remember this!!!!!!! THERES NO MONEY IN A CURE =) You're confusing scientists with technologists, but it's no wonder since people abuse these terms all the time even in industry. So you're not alone in that. But just so you know, you're pointing fingers in the wrong directions. Abra Scientists make money through what..... im making sence here... |
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Edited by
talldub
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Fri 09/26/08 08:57 PM
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You are quite right in your assumption. Unfortunately assumptions have created wars
Actually I am pretty sure that most wars have had their roots in religion. Acutally it is money and power..... Something traditionally held almost exclusively by religion(s) |
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You are quite right in your assumption. Unfortunately assumptions have created wars
Actually I am pretty sure that most wars have had their roots in religion. Acutally it is money and power..... oil |
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I found another cause for stoning. For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 Um okay, if Im understanding this cryptic wording, if this broad doesn't have a hymen, they are going to stone her to death. Not all virgins have hymens to begin with and some have them but they rupture prior to actual intercourse. So I wonder how many girls were murdered over the ages simply because they didnt bleed a little after penetration or because some stupid elder could not find evidence of an intact hymen.
This is the origional quote taken from scripture. Keep reading... |
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You are quite right in your assumption. Unfortunately assumptions have created wars
Actually I am pretty sure that most wars have had their roots in religion. Acutally it is money and power..... Something traditionally held almost exclusively be religion(s) explain. |
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Abra....again....it's really quite simple. First,God Created a PERFECT WORLD. THEN Sin entered in. It's not simple at all MorningSong. If God was all there was in the beginning, then how could sin have 'entered in'. Where would sin have come from if not from God? You can't say it came from man, because man came from God. In fact, man was even created in God's image according to this story. So where could sin have come from if not from God? Also, if God has the ability to give men the strength to resist sin, then all this says is that God withheld that trait in the beginning. He withheld the strength we need to resist sin just so he could have his son die on a cross and make us beg for the strength to resist sin? Sorry, that makes no sense to me. That just sounds like a really nasty God who withholds things just to make people beg for his mercy. |
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Abra....again....it's really quite simple. First,God Created a PERFECT WORLD. THEN Sin entered in. It's not simple at all MorningSong. If God was all there was in the beginning, then how could sin have 'entered in'. Where would sin have come from if not from God? You can't say it came from man, because man came from God. In fact, man was even created in God's image according to this story. sigh..... Man was in the image of God, which you dont agrue that we have the right to make choices, i do believe you read the bible or some? The tree of good and evil... in which temptation after this sin was created because man ate from the tree? |
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So where could sin have come from if not from God? Also, if God has the ability to give men the strength to resist sin, then all this says is that God withheld that trait in the beginning. He withheld the strength we need to resist sin just so he could have his son die on a cross and make us beg for the strength to resist sin? Sorry, that makes no sense to me. That just sounds like a really nasty God who withholds things just to make people beg for his mercy. We have the strength, but do we use it? If i give you my number to call me in emergency, but you dont call me and you die? is it my fault? Simple example but gets to the point... His son could have and did have the option to have his father remove him from the cross. All he had to do was ask but he died on the cross, and you know the rest where are you comming up with these points abra? |
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Do we not accept “scientific” explanations for phenomenon as “fact”, even though those explanations are based on unproven (and often unprovable) theories??? So how then, is an acceptance of a “scientific” explanation any different from acceptance of a “spiritual” explanation for any phenomenon? (e.g. OBE, NDE, RV, et al) Isn’t it all just a matter of which “primary assumptions” you wish to believe in/agree with? Just something to think about. Scientific theories are given on the premise that more work will surely be done in the area of discovery to complete the theory or prove it wrong and give a new one, etc.. There is no comparison to a book written by men with stories that have no studies or theoretic investigation to prove it while it was written. This applies to all religious books written. Science continues to disprove itself and reprove itself, it is a study not a cement rule, condemning doctrine, a book of judgement, etc... |
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Abra Scientists make money through what..... im making sence here... The greatest scientists in history seldom got paid for doing their science. In fact, many of them risked great peril for doing it! Most of what you are talking about are the technologists of today who call themselves 'scientists'. Especially when you refer to the people who are working on drugs for drug companies. 
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Edited by
KalamazooGuy87
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Fri 09/26/08 09:14 PM
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Abra Scientists make money through what..... im making sence here... The greatest scientists in history seldom got paid for doing their science. In fact, many of them risked great peril for doing it! Most of what you are talking about are the technologists of today who call themselves 'scientists'. Especially when you refer to the people who are working on drugs for drug companies.
wait a second, most scientist in history of which you were religious, i didnt think we were talking about such people? Im talking about people within a century, the people who are attempting to study areas which science gets a little shaky, areas where most would say "this is where God steps-in" but are we talking about the scientist who thought of Gravity? Because Scientists very much do get paid for their research..... |
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And to add abra i wasnt relating Drug Companies to science, however i was relating to the people "MAN" who run the drug companies, who would rather find temporary fixes instead of finding cures. We are talking about putting our faith in MAN who do these types of things is what im saying here.
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We have the strength, but do we use it? If i give you my number to call me in emergency, but you dont call me and you die? is it my fault? Simple example but gets to the point... His son could have and did have the option to have his father remove him from the cross. All he had to do was ask but he died on the cross, and you know the rest where are you comming up with these points abra? Any God who demands blood sacrifices before he can forgive sins deserves to be nailed to a pole. You dismiss the original stupidity of the God demanding blood sacrifices to pay for sins in the first place. If he designed creation with these stupid rules then he has no one but himself to blame for his situation. It's pretty simple Kalamzoo man. Either God made up these rules arbitrary or he HAD NO CHOICE! If he made these rules up aribitarily then he's stupid. If he had no choice then he's not all powerful and clearly he's being restrained by something even greater than him. Designing a creation where sin can only be forgiven via a blood sacrifice is nothing short of stupid. Period Amen. You expect me to believe that God is stupid? Clearly the biblical picture of God is a fraud. It's pure and simple. Why would you fight for such a stupid story to be true based entirely on faith? Do you want this story to be true? What if you discovered that it was a lie and that the real creator of this universe never had to send a son to die for your sins on a cross. Would you be dissapointed? Why do you want to believe in this story on FAITH? As far as I'm concerned, if you can't give me a reason to beleive it other than faith, then there's no reason why I should want to believe it. Why would I want to believe such a horrible story on FAITH alone? I tell you this,... Almost EVERY manmade myth has stories of men making blood sacrifices to their Gods. Yet they're gods all want something different so they can't posssible be all from the same God. Now I ask you,... What are the CHANCES that the real creator of this universe would just HAPPEN by pure accident to be appeased by blood sacrifices? Just by a freak accident God happens to want the very same things that men are known to make up superstitions about. I don't believe that God ever asked anyone for a blood sacrifice. Now why would I want to have FAITH that he would? If I'm going to have FAITH in something I'd rather have FAITH that the bible isn't true! Woudln't you? Wouldn't you rather know that it wasn't necessary for God to sacrifice himself for you arrogant disobedience? Why would you want to place your FAITH in a story that says that you're guilty of such a thing? Why do you want that to be true? |
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