I think all the "nice guys" ought to maybe look for a dominatrix........

sorry i have no ?s
IM A JERK ill never be nice 2 any1
just ignored them the whole time until they explode OH YE

my english is not very good lookin however...

I've read this whole thing, and I think there is a lot of unnecessary abuse, and I think it's time to put an end to it. I'll offer this solution.

Those of us men who claim to be nice will stop complaining, when those of you women who complain about abusive men stop whining too.

From the quote above it seems that the women in here want an agressive man. Fair enough. Then you have the gall to complain when that agressive man stays agressive. You know cheats on you, lies to hide his cheating, maybe hits you a little. You wanted agressive tendancies, not a nice guy that treats you with respect, so live with it. As the OP implied, you get what you deserve.

SO nice guys will stop complaining about being overlooked, when women stop complaining about cheats and liars.

Amen, Amen.
The thing to shoot for is polite.
Many people confuse nice with polite but they are 2 totally different animals!
I am so glad to finally hear a woman preach this bit of wisdom for once.
"Nice" will get yo' butt walked on.

I am so appalled by the above I don't know where to begin. Let's just leave it simple for you, since I'm not sure you're capable of understanding anything else. There isn't a woman alive who wants abuse. For those who have lived it or witnessed it, for you to even imply the opposite is so disgusting, I can't even begin to say how much.

Well, that's the other 1/2 of the equasion.
You see, "nice" and "jerk" are opposite extreme ends. Women don't like extremes unless you are rich, a Hollywood pretty boy or both. Even then, you better sign a pre-nup!
If you are just a plain, ol' working stiff like me, just be you, let your light shine and hit the MIDDLE of these 2 extremes, NOT the ends!
Be "jice". i.e. jerky + nice. (1/2 of each)
This doesn't guarantee that one will get lucky but it does guarantee happiness with oneself and that's worth more than all the poontang in the world.

I gotta run. It's time to be jice to somebody.

that was a great way to put it thank you ((suzin))

Very good point. We all have a tendency to judge the opposite sex by our personal experiences. It's normal, but not helpful.

Wow. Seriously?

yikes, where did this come from???

NO ONE IS CONDONING NOR REQUESTING ABUSE OF ANY SORT, SO I FOR ONE THINK YOU CAN KEEP YOUR SOLUTION. JMO

talk about going to the extreme!!!!!

KNOCK KNOCK......

Is it safe to come in yet???

It did sound like that was what he was saying at first so I went back and re-read it. I don't think that's what he said or meant. I think it was mostly a generalization about women and nice guys and complaining.

We all definitely need to stop stereotyping each other and putting our "baggage" onto other people.

Right now I think it would be an absolutely wonderful idea if everyone would just breath....relax.....


and pour themselves a big tall glass of SHUT THE HELL UP!

ahhh kinda like comparing apples (whiners) to oranges (abuse) then, I see the similarity.

the reason for this post was in response to one I posted yesterday, about the threads going on a childish tangent, the multitude of posts by members with the same topics, then OP started this thread.

Hmmmm.

Maybe there needs to be an understanding between aggressive and assertive. People need to be assertive, to a certain degree, in their lives. Woman are attracted to confident, assertive men. At least this one is.

As well, the issue here is men who say THEY, themselves are nice. This thread is not about men who are generally "nice". I rarely use the word, it is generic. Like Lexy said.... basically bland and meaningless.

I'm looking for kind, supportive, empathetic, considerate, patient, communicative..... those words mean nice, together.

My point is stop saying you're nice. Let others decide what qualities you possess and simply be YOU. It's been said over and over in this thread. Let your actions and deeds speak for themselves.

Cheers on that post lilith in particular the closing sentence.

It's always suspect to me when one "professes" to have "any" quality. Someone who is confident does not need to say "that".

Likewise with "I have a great sense of humor". Rarely is any claim followed by any evidence.

I know this because I am very intelligent.

Sure I completely agree. Just one question though. Although I really appreciate, as a friend or more, someone who is humble about his or her qualities and doesn't draw attention to him or herself, wouldn't you say that a person should know what his or her qualities are?

I agree with the identifying one's self as 'nice' being meaningless, just wondering what you think about what I just asked.

Of course, we should all know what our qualities are, both good and bad. And there's nothing wrong with drawing attention to your good points either, as long as they're true and honest and not "faked" to make you seem to be something your'e not but think other people think you should be.