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Topic: How Far You Say!!!!!
feralcatlady's photo
Sat 08/23/08 07:55 AM

I agree Vol and I apologize. It happened and I allowed her to push my buttons. Mainly because I was trying to speak with another member and I felt interrupted.

Anyway, I would like an answer to the question posed about the Egyptians and why they have no recorded documentation of the flood. I actually don’t care who attempt to answer it myself but this is a very good question.




well if you would of read closer I wasn't talking to you in the first place......Already been answewred in the Coffeehouse thread if you care to look.........

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/148775?page=13

And yes voil I am sick of the crap and personal attacks so do it and get reported.....it's not a matter of being a school kid....which of course you saying that makes you no better....IT'S THE RULES OF THE SITE.


so personally attack me and get reported.

Krimsa's photo
Sat 08/23/08 08:12 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Sat 08/23/08 09:01 AM
And I was NEVER speaking to you though you jumped in and attacked me. I was speaking with Bill and I have EVERY right to do so. I have asked you several times now to stop addressing me if it is only in assessment of my personal character. Nothing gives you that right.

That copy and pasted supposed evidence that you posted does not even address the Egyptians by the way. Ignorance may be blistful for some but others of us would like clarification on these details. Is this too much to ask?

Fade2Black's photo
Sat 08/23/08 03:43 PM
Ladies ... heated tempers distort another person's intentions. I'm sure in other venues you 2 would consider being friends.

I know Debbie very well and she is a beautiful person inside and out .. Krimsa, don't know you at all but I bet you have wonderful characteristics as well.

Remember ...

Communication is not what you say but what they hear ..

Can I pour you both a glass of wine and invite you to put your feet up and 'agree to disagree'


bigsmile drinks

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Sat 08/23/08 04:53 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Sat 08/23/08 04:58 PM
Genomics FTW . . . so my point in posting this is simple . . . the man made records go back since when man began writing things down . . . . via genetics mother nature has been writing things down a LOT longer heheheh.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080820163002.htm



Genome Of Simplest Animal Reveals Ancient Lineage, Confounding Array Of Complex Capabilities

ScienceDaily (Aug. 23, 2008) — As Aesop said, appearances are deceiving—even in life's tiniest critters. From first detection in the 1880s, clinging to the sides of an aquarium, to its recent characterization by the U.S. Department of Energy Joint Genome Institute (DOE JGI), a simple and primitive animal, Trichoplax adhaerens, appears to harbor a far more complex suite of capabilities than meets the eye.

The findings establish a group of organisms as a branching point of animal evolution and identify sets of genes, or a "parts list," employed by organisms that have evolved along particular branches.

With each sequenced genome, another dataset is made available to advance the quest of evolutionary biologists seeking to reconstruct the tree of life. The analysis of the 98 million base pair genome of Trichoplax (literally "hairy-plate") illuminates its ancestral relationship to other animals. Trichoplax is the sole member of the placozoan ("tablet," or "flat" animal) phylum, whose relationship to other animals, such as bilaterians (humans, flies, worms, snails, et al) and cnidarians (jellyfish, sea anemones, corals, et al), and sponges is contentious.

"Our whole genome analysis supports placing the placozoans after the sponge lineage branched from other animals," said Daniel Rokhsar, the publication's senior author, DOE JGI's head of Computational Genomics Program, and Professor of Genetics, Genomics and Development at the University of California, Berkeley.

"Trichoplax has had just as much time to evolve as humans, but because of its morphological simplicity, it is tempting to think of it as a surrogate for an early animal," said Mansi Srivastava, the study's first author, a graduate student under the direction of Rokhsar, at the Center for Integrative Genomics, U.C. Berkeley.

Earlier mitochondrial DNA studies suggested that this "mother of all metazoans," Trichoplax, was the earliest branch, before sponges diverged, but this remains debatable—even among collaborators.

"The latest and most complex analysis again suggests that placozoans populated the oceans long before sponges evolved," said Bernd Schierwater, director of the Institute of Animal Ecology & Cell Biology and head of the Center for Biodiversity at TiHo Hannover, Germany. Schierwater, a study co-author, joined Stephen Dellaporta and Leo Buss of Yale University in proposing the Trichoplax sequencing project in 2004 to DOE JGI's Community Sequencing Program.

"The outcome of the Trichoplax adhaerens genome sequencing is so exciting that we are now culturing another 13 placozoan species in order to identify the most basal placozoan lineage and genome," said Schierwater.

"Trichoplax is an ancient lineage—a good representation of the ancestral genome that is shedding light of the kinds of genes, the structures of genes, and even how these genes were arranged on the genome in the common ancestor 600 million years ago," said Srivastava. "It has retained a lot of primitive features relative to other living animals."

Originally collected from the Red Sea, and cultured over the last 40 years in the laboratory, Trichoplax is a two-millimeter flat disk containing fluid sandwiched between two cell layers. It lacks organs and only has four or five cell types. Yet, despite its apparent simplicity, its genome encodes a panoply of signaling genes and transcription factors usually associated with more complex animals.

Trichoplax has no neurons, but has many genes that are associated with neural function in more complex animals. "It lacks a nervous system, but it still is able to respond to environmental stimuli. "It has genes, such as ion channels and receptors, that we associate with neuronal functions, but no neurons have ever been reported," explained Rokhsar.

Of the 11,514 genes identified in the six chromosomes of Trichoplax, 80 percent are shared with cnidarians and bilaterians. Trichoplax also shares over 80 percent of its introns—the regions within genes that are not translated into proteins—with humans. Even the arrangement of genes is conserved between the Trichoplax and human genomes. This stands in contrast to other model systems such as fruit flies and soil nematodes that have experienced a paring down of non-coding regions and a loss of the ancestral genome organizations.

With its pancake shape, gutless feeding, and genomic primitiveness, the rich array of metabolic capabilities begs additional consideration. While it has been observed to motor around via cilia, eat by mounting its prey, and reproduce by fission (pulling itself into pieces)—it may in fact have a secret sex life.

"Some of our new placozoan species show frequent sexual reproduction while others never show any signs of sex," said Schierwater. "The genome data allow us to search for the genes responsible for sex and life cycle complexity."

"It's remarkable that we have the whole genome sequence but we still know so little about this animal in the wild," said Rokhsar. "Hopefully the genome sequence will stimulate more studies of this enigmatic creature."

Other authors include DOE JGI's Jarrod Chapman, Nicholas Putnam, Uffe Hellsten, Alan Kuo, Asaf Salamov, Harris Shapiro, and Igor Grigoriev; Jane Grimwood and Jeremy Schmutz of the Stanford Human Genome Center and DOE JGI; Emina Begovic, Therese Mitros, and Meredith Carpenter of U.C. Berkeley; Takeshi Kawashima of the Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology; Ana Signorovitch, and Maria Moreno, Leo Buss, and Stephen Dellaporta of Yale University; and Kai Kamm the University of Veterinary Medicine Hannover, Germany.

Journal reference:

1. Srivastava et al. The Trichoplax genome and the nature of placozoans. Nature, 2008; 454 (7207): 955 DOI: 10.1038/nature07191

Adapted from materials provided by DOE/Joint Genome Institute.

I love the reference from the Bible. Scientists are funny people. They love to point out interesting co-relevance.

Krimsa's photo
Sat 08/23/08 05:13 PM
"Earlier mitochondrial DNA studies suggested that this "mother of all metazoans," Trichoplax, was the earliest branch, before sponges diverged, but this remains debatable—even among collaborators."

Wow, this is pretty interesting. It also leads me to believe that life simply began in the sea. It just kind of acted as a big primordial soup and one thing led to another. It’s a theory anyway. Thanks for sharing.



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Sat 08/23/08 06:48 PM



First off Ms.........major attitude.....99% of what I use is from my own notes....from my studies.......so please get off your high horse before your thrown off. And I missy stopped addressing you long ago.....and you better knock it off with the attitude with me......because I don't care personally what you think.....I have not addressed you or your posts in a long time...so stop personally attacking me or I will report you.



Reading posts like the one above, I can't help but get the extraordinary sensation of 'ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BACKYARD CATFIGHTS', including the 'I'LL REPORT YOU (to the teacher)!!!' threat!!!

Friends, how can anyone post such juvenile comments, and expect in return, to come across credibly, and hope that such comments be taken seriously???

Let's all attempt to raise the bar!!! Whatever club we belong to (or not), it is assumed that we are all adults, and have presumably 'graduated long ago from thi kind of juvenile 'elementary school' mentality and rhetoric.








My god can beat up your god - :tongue:

feralcatlady's photo
Mon 08/25/08 08:35 PM
Edited by feralcatlady on Mon 08/25/08 08:36 PM




First off Ms.........major attitude.....99% of what I use is from my own notes....from my studies.......so please get off your high horse before your thrown off. And I missy stopped addressing you long ago.....and you better knock it off with the attitude with me......because I don't care personally what you think.....I have not addressed you or your posts in a long time...so stop personally attacking me or I will report you.



Reading posts like the one above, I can't help but get the extraordinary sensation of 'ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BACKYARD CATFIGHTS', including the 'I'LL REPORT YOU (to the teacher)!!!' threat!!!

Friends, how can anyone post such juvenile comments, and expect in return, to come across credibly, and hope that such comments be taken seriously???

Let's all attempt to raise the bar!!! Whatever club we belong to (or not), it is assumed that we are all adults, and have presumably 'graduated long ago from thi kind of juvenile 'elementary school' mentality and rhetoric.








My god can beat up your god - :tongue:


:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: smooched

Krimsa's photo
Sun 08/31/08 07:36 AM
laugh "my god can beat up your god" That line reminds me of another from a film. I think the movie was about Witches in fact. Pure Hollywood of course. One of the Witches makes the statement to the effect of:

"When god and the devil were battling it out, my god was the coliseum they were playing in."
laugh


tribo's photo
Sun 08/31/08 05:27 PM

laugh "my god can beat up your god" That line reminds me of another from a film. I think the movie was about Witches in fact. Pure Hollywood of course. One of the Witches makes the statement to the effect of:

"When god and the devil were battling it out, my god was the coliseum they were playing in."
laugh


thats what alot of pagans belive the two forces of good and evil gods battle on the feild of the true god which is the playing feild, or so i've heard.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 08/31/08 05:33 PM

Na, it’s from that movie. Let me look it up for the title hold on. The Craft. Fun, but extraordinarily fictitious.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/The_craft_movie_poster.jpg

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Sun 08/31/08 05:38 PM
flowerforyou Love thy neighbor.flowerforyou









bigsmile But don't get caughtflowerforyou

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Mon 09/01/08 09:32 AM

HOW FAR BACK DO YOU THINK THE RECORDS GO?

If mankind has been on earth over a million years, as the evolutionists tell us, then why do the records of their activity only go back a few thousand years. The evidence agrees with the Bible account, not with the evolutionists. Evolutionary theory is a myth. God created everything; the evidence clearly points to it. Nothing else can explain the mountain of evidence.


I agree "Feralcatlady" according to the bible and the chinses calendar God can't be any more that 10,000 years old give or take an Eon or two because there is no evidence that he is any older than that ..

even if someone claim that God "always was" that doesn't mean that "always was" didn't start 10,000 years ago

even it someone claim God is not controlled by time that still doesn't mean he is not only 10,000 old and just getting started to be eternal

so as you say 'feralcatlady" how far does the records go to show how long god "always been"

is there any records that exist to show something he did before "in the beginning" or any records that shows that eternal didn't start 10,000 years ago ...I heard that God keeps knowledge and information in fruit trees ..so perhaps he keeps records in some of them also

Belushi's photo
Mon 09/01/08 09:34 AM

My god can beat up your god - :tongue:


The Easter Bunny will take on your imaginary friend, any day!


tribo's photo
Mon 09/01/08 09:43 AM


My god can beat up your god - :tongue:


The Easter Bunny will take on your imaginary friend, any day!




yeah but, can your E.B. take on JB,s E.T.'s without getting the hee bee gee bee's?

Belushi's photo
Mon 09/01/08 09:45 AM



My god can beat up your god - :tongue:


The Easter Bunny will take on your imaginary friend, any day!




yeah but, can your E.B. take on JB,s E.T.'s without getting the hee bee gee bee's?


Well, I could also use Father Christmas, the fairies at the bottom of the garden, JC, Allah and all the other crazy scary gods of war!

As long as she doesnt do the Vulcan mind trick then I think Im in with a shout

tribo's photo
Mon 09/01/08 10:21 AM




My god can beat up your god - :tongue:


The Easter Bunny will take on your imaginary friend, any day!




yeah but, can your E.B. take on JB,s E.T.'s without getting the hee bee gee bee's?


Well, I could also use Father Christmas, the fairies at the bottom of the garden, JC, Allah and all the other crazy scary gods of war!

As long as she doesnt do the Vulcan mind trick then I think Im in with a shout


laugh ok you win

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Mon 09/01/08 11:21 AM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Mon 09/01/08 11:24 AM


My god can beat up your god - :tongue:

The Easter Bunny will take on your imaginary friend, any day!

I'll put my money on The Great Pumpkin. He's a long shot, but think of the payoff if he wins!!! :banana:

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