They did write extensively about the flood, but all of that writing was lost when the library of alexandria was destroyed, they also wrote extensively about Mu, and atlantis and other civilizations that were much more advanced than any present cultures, but alas there is no evidence left now.

How do i know this then???????

HMMM?? if i told you, you would have to pinky swear and no crossed fingers behind the back!!!!

Creationists never learn. In fact I have a feeling they where never taught right the first time in school.

I have zero hope of educating a person who dismisses hundreds of years of science to keep there narrow minded beliefs intact.

If you think you are smarter and have better research then the professors at UC Berkley . . well then I rest my case . . . no way to educate that . . .

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/help/timeform.html

Wonderful lill page there btw.

Thnx BBC, if that was meant for me - anyway, give up on trying to debate or argue anything between science and faith - you can't! how can one disprove anothers faith?

What irk's me is the fact they say science cant prove or disprove something about the faith they have in what they believe - yet, they have no problem putting up all of the things they feel supports there faith in the feilds of science, astronomy, archeology, etc., WTF?? - how can you do that with a straight face and then claim someone else cant try to disprove it because it's a faith based thing?? And then to boot say all my/your/others info is rubbish because we don't know cause were not saved and baptized and full of gods spirit?? How can you argue with that - and why bother?

As i have said all along it's a "have your cake and eat it to" belief, which i gladly leave the "faithful to.

I am not arguing against faith. I am only pointing out science . . . and asking how it could be wrong. If you have an alternate theory then please show how its consistent and supported by ALL other related fields of science . . . or its just junk.

The fact of the matter is, you can have strong faith and educate yourself to the reality of certain fields of science such as Evolution, cosmology, and ancestry . . it does not have to invalidate your faith. Just your notion of history.

ooops

Oh Billy don’t bother, I have tried, charts, diagrams, prehistoric timelines, evolutionary family trees (intended for 5th graders) as a sort of remedial crash course and nothing compares to their bible...halleluiah!

We do what we can here and at some point you have to realize that’s all you can do. I have found your comments very interesting however, just so you know.

And science is all from God and of God.....And I have a feeling that most will never comprehend this.....so then what do we try and be civil and agree to disagree...

I also have zero hope for anyone that dismisses A God that has always been, and will be for ever and ever....and get a lil miffed and why all these narrow minded dimwits wouldn't at least have an open mind to it. I say this...."What do you have to loose," but oh oh all you could gain.,

It doesn't matter how much crap we can copy and paste on both sides.....In the whole scheme of life.....It just really doesn't matter.....but when that time comes and your mouth is standing open and you say to yourself, "Self damn they were right," I promise no one will tell you I told you so......Because at least for me....you believe what gets you through the day......and please give me the respect to do the same.........

Right. Like I have mentioned before little miss copy and paste queen there, if I get hit by a bus tomorrow and I wake up in the clouds someplace and everyone has friggin wings on and white flowing robes, boy will I feel stupid.

Besides I was speaking to Bill and not addressing you. He sounded a bit exasperated and I wanted him to know it was not all for nothing as he has posted some very interesting concepts and ideas.

And that is all you have.

When the time comes....... ?

You are right, no one will tell anyone "I told you so" because what ever you think is going to happen, ...ain't going to happen.

But keep dreaming.

JB

The thing that is soo amazing to me about you FCL . . . is that I am not arguing against a god . . . . at all.
I have never once stated . . . . blah blah blah . . . and thats why god doesn't exist . . .

Maybe it is your own fear that creates this wall between what we have discussed. Maybe you feel that you will lose some connection you have for having doubts about historical representations of the bible. I don't know you, so I can only guess . . .

And Tribo, no wasn't toward you at all brother. You are cool sir. I think I mistook you for a creationist maybe the first day I came back to these forums after a year away, but you made me understand pretty quick where you stand, and I respect your honesty.

Again it has never been about god. Science of god? Well if you (FCL or wouldee, or Eljay) really believed that you would not fight against it . . . you must have your own beliefs that you make science fit within . . . not the other way around.

Me: everything I learn sharpens my beliefs. My beliefs never file down my awareness and acceptance of new knowledge ESPECIALLY when it means I am wrong. If my belief comes out the looser for science having smashed my ignorance . . . I feel a moment of silly exasperation then a life time of clarity.

First off Ms.........major attitude.....99% of what I use is from my own notes....from my studies.......so please get off your high horse before your thrown off. And I missy stopped addressing you long ago.....and you better knock it off with the attitude with me......because I don't care personally what you think.....I have not addressed you or your posts in a long time...so stop personally attacking me or I will report you.

well I will have fun with that........

Why bother? the world is coming to the end in 2012!

Right. Copy and paste queen. That’s why the entire religion forum refers to you as that. What do you mean "your notes"? You copy and paste from various Christian websites.

If you recall, miss short term memory, it was I who asked that you STOP with your insults. I can go back and find the quote if you like. I told you just now I was speaking directly with Bill and there was NO reason for you to involve yourself in our discussion. Do it once more when I’m speaking with another member and I will get you banned.

Fool .. dont you know the earth is flat ? . . o wait no it is held up by a mighty man on the back of a turtle . . how dare you dispute science.

I have one BIG question. You admit that Ancient Egypt goes back to at least 3000 BC (3150 BC is general 1st dynasty). If the great flood of Noah happened in 2348BC how come the Egyptians a thriving almost 700 year culture with writing NEVER recorded a great flood ?

I would like FC to please answer this.

I have one BIG question. You admit that Ancient Egypt goes back to at least 3000 BC (3150 BC is general 1st dynasty). If the great flood of Noah happened in 2348BC how come the Egyptians a thriving almost 700 year culture with writing NEVER recorded a great flood ?

I would like FC to please answer this.

Reading posts like the one above, I can't help but get the extraordinary sensation of 'ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BACKYARD CATFIGHTS', including the 'I'LL REPORT YOU (to the teacher)!!!' threat!!!

Friends, how can anyone post such juvenile comments, and expect in return, to come across credibly, and hope that such comments be taken seriously???

Let's all attempt to raise the bar!!! Whatever club we belong to (or not), it is assumed that we are all adults, and have presumably 'graduated long ago from thi kind of juvenile 'elementary school' mentality and rhetoric.

Double post.
Sorry!

I agree Vol and I apologize. It happened and I allowed her to push my buttons. Mainly because I was trying to speak with another member and I felt interrupted.

Anyway, I would like an answer to the question posed about the Egyptians and why they have no recorded documentation of the flood. I actually don’t care who attempt to answer it myself but this is a very good question.