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Religion is the cause of the majority of war indeed, indeed, indeed..........seems like all wars...... the question then begging to be asked is WHAT IS RELIGION... Religion is a mixture of politics ,methaphisics , Social issues ,power , business , control ,...etc. It was used to justify wars , racism ,and other agendas as well . |
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Religion is the cause of the majority of war indeed, indeed, indeed..........seems like all wars...... the question then begging to be asked is WHAT IS RELIGION... Religion is a mixture of politics ,methaphisics , Social issues ,power , business , control ,...etc. It was used to justify wars , racism ,and other agendas as well . to find the beginning of anything with numbers, all things must be broken down to simplest form or number or root....... seems to find the ROOT of truth be the same......all you say is true, and indeed are ATTRIBUTES or "names" of what religion cause, but how can these be what it is of ITSELF....... if it is things many individuals do, then to find the root of something PEOPLE do, one would first have to break it down to one person, as if in theory all religion came from one person...... what thinking then within ONE would make for all these "reactions" which birth all the things you have listed......... one could say MANY perpetuate religion, but what in any "ONE BEING" make FIRST the DESIRE to see things with or thru a religious persepective...... if religion be the culprit, and indeed it is, then to ERADICATE, would not the root that GROW such a plant or thing have to be known, or what would one destroy to eradicate such an insideous evil......... not too careful and innocents die, lol........ |
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the question then begging to be asked is WHAT IS RELIGION...
TRIBO: it's the putting of self before all else. |
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Edited by
davidben1
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Tue 07/22/08 03:59 PM
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the question then begging to be asked is WHAT IS RELIGION... TRIBO: it's the putting of self before all else. it seems this be what CREATE religion, as then many believe they be unclean, and a NEED for religion is BORN........ if one eat and there be another starving somewhere, have they not put themself before others....... if one drive and another walk, the same apply....... |
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davidben1
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Tue 07/22/08 04:02 PM
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if you know to do good and do not do it. Then it is sin to u yea......if the mind whisper somthing from the heart be wrong, and one does not just say YES, then it is a sin........ when one run to wash themself and try to NOT be like this, they become all the more, and self-righteousness is born, the greatest sin, which produce many more worse than the first..... |
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the question then begging to be asked is WHAT IS RELIGION... TRIBO: it's the putting of self before all else. Why do you say that? And in the pantheist view, all is self. There is nothing else. Unless you are referring to the little self or ego. JB |
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We have thousands and not only hundreds of different religions . Lots of religions copy from the ones before them . So there are many similarities in many religions . Also religion is not from one person but thousands of people .
I predict with the advance of more science and technology , all religions will DIE and the faithfuls will be forgotten .This is a terrible news for the fanatics and the fundamentalists who think that religion is here to stay . |
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the question then begging to be asked is WHAT IS RELIGION... TRIBO: it's the putting of self before all else. Why do you say that? And in the pantheist view, all is self. There is nothing else. Unless you are referring to the little self or ego. JB Jellybean i am not pantheistic, sorry. yes as long as we are wearing this flesh we will be egocentric/selfish first ad foremost, that is not always a bad thing G - it can produce much of what is considered good for both the individual as well as others - it is the knowing of which one and when, all to often it is that which causes strife among mankind as history shows. |
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We have thousands and not only hundreds of different religions . Lots of religions copy from the ones before them . So there are many similarities in many religions . Also religion is not from one person but thousands of people .
I predict with the advance of more science and technology , all religions will DIE and the faithfuls will be forgotten .This is a terrible news for the fanatics and the fundamentalists who think that religion is here to stay . I will have to differ. The doctrine of the Apostles has always been and will allways be. It is not a very popular Doctrine that Yahshua showed them. He even says they will be hated for my names sake. The doctrine is thier for those who search for it. It is worth more than the finest rubies. What will you give for your own life? Science can not put down the ways of Yahweh. Yahweh made science. The creator is not overtaken by it's creation. try to prove all you want through science and the scriptures will show you it was thier thousands of years ago. Modern religion is just that. Modern..man made. It will never stand you are right about that. The everlasting word though has always been passed to the few who would accept it..Shalom...Miles |
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the question then begging to be asked is WHAT IS RELIGION... TRIBO: it's the putting of self before all else. Why do you say that? And in the pantheist view, all is self. There is nothing else. Unless you are referring to the little self or ego. JB Jellybean i am not pantheistic, sorry. yes as long as we are wearing this flesh we will be egocentric/selfish first ad foremost, that is not always a bad thing G - it can produce much of what is considered good for both the individual as well as others - it is the knowing of which one and when, all to often it is that which causes strife among mankind as history shows. I am not sure that I am pantheistic either, and I'm not even sure what that means exactly. I just feel that we are all in some way, connected to prime source to the point that in the end, that is what we are....and that is self. JB |
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We are salt. Go out in the heat and see what happens. The ovens of fiery heat will either pull it out or make you stronger. Blessings..Miles
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tribo
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we will always be self JB, but the self we are here is not truely us, you know that - but for others here that have not found that out yet is why i post as i post -
Miles i know you mean well, but we are more than salt, do you not believe in spirit at all? i think you do. if so then are spirit is what we truly are not this flesh, are soulish nature is what i speak of.
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the only first sin in all the universe that make for more sin, or just unhappiness, is simply not admitting what the mind say about oneself is true..........running from truth
damn, who wants to believe anything bad about oneself, but indeed, these things are whispered to take them away when they are admitted, as the heart goes to work then notifying each time an action go against, and only a simple yes each time one is notified is required to change them....... the mind is not intended to be a task master, telling what to do, but rather a friend that whisper a half-truth, leaving the rest for the heart or wisdom to figure out, creating a wisdom making machine, what all humans are meant to be...... to resist the mind creates a ploy to control, and makes one become controlled....... to resist great power one must play as dead....... or in religious circles was called as dead in christ....... this is not the natural instinct of a human mind, and to fight ones own mind in battle is taught by all religions, which make oneself their own enemie, and then many others become as one also.......... no human has the control over what is heard in the mind, only the will to ignore or run, which obviously is to say no or disagree, or say yes........ please, who can defeat a roaring lion by running or fighting, so "true" resistance is to allow ALL things to be HEARD, or pass thru, and only a "yes" can do this...... to say NO to the mind time after time make it roar the louder.......... NOTHING IS SIN IF IT BE ADMITTED, PERIOD, AS THE FIRST SIN THAT CREATE ALL OTHERS IS HIDING FROM ONESELF, OR GOD/TRUTH IN THE HEART....... so then who can look to another and say what sin be, as it is as whispered from each mind, for each heart to admit when told, and even as one tells another what is a sin, this show what their own mind has told them, and show much of who they are, and what stage of development their mind and heart be at...... most will tell these things to others, as one wishes company in trying to be good, and escaping misery, so an attempt to make ones own heart a law for others is normal, and be the start of religion in any individual....... if EACH face be unique, so be EACH mind, and EACH heart, and therefore EACH god.........peace |
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Yes tribo we are.
But we are also called the salt of the world. If it has lost its flavor it is good for nothing. Thats why i said the furnace will make those stronger who's salt is still flavored. Just emphasizing that without salt our body's goes in to a miserable painfull state. That heat pulls the salt out of us. The salt and the spirit are related to directly to Yahweh. Obedience not doubting. Lots wife being an example of what happens when the spirit and the salt are not in harmony. Blessings...Miles |
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Yes tribo we are. But we are also called the salt of the world. If it has lost its flavor it is good for nothing. Thats why i said the furnace will make those stronger who's salt is still flavored. Just emphasizing that without salt our body's goes in to a miserable painfull state. That heat pulls the salt out of us. The salt and the spirit are related to directly to Yahweh. Obedience not doubting. Lots wife being an example of what happens when the spirit and the salt are not in harmony. Blessings...Miles miles.......to be turned into a pillar of salt was only PERCIEVED as a bad thing, as read and heard thru FEAR....... who says a "pillar of salt" be a bad thing........the text say a "salt lick" be GOOD, and prophecy each will become this when the truth is fully known........ nothing in scriptures be a commandment, rather prophecy of what is to become....... the word "obedience" show fear is the motive, so fear then become ones master, and where does fear come from........ this will never work when the time comes the mind tell you to murder someone, or will it......... the mind tell you scriptures and you follow them, not knowing it is not a commandment, but rather a discussion wished to be entered into with you...... only a child is obedienbt out of fear, as even by adolesence, one should be making their own decisions free of fear of consequence, and rather for the sake of wisdom..........peace |
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This salt lick i have never heard of or read that i remember.. maybe you can show me where that is.
lots wife is an example of the furnace as this is what is recorded the cities became and when she turned around denying the spirit that saved her she was turned to a hardened salt. not that that shakes its seasoning on good soil. Obedience i have said through these forms over and over that Yahweh wants a willing person who does it out of love for Yahweh. Showing thier appreciation for what he has and will do for them. This is not fear it is love. But the scriptures do say those who fear Yahweh have a good understanding. Still the contect is knowledge of who he really is. I believe any parent would be thrilled a child wants to do as thier parents say because they love them.. Blessings...Miles |
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This salt lick i have never heard of or read that i remember.. maybe you can show me where that is. lots wife is an example of the furnace as this is what is recorded the cities became and when she turned around denying the spirit that saved her she was turned to a hardened salt. not that that shakes its seasoning on good soil. Obedience i have said through these forms over and over that Yahweh wants a willing person who does it out of love for Yahweh. Showing thier appreciation for what he has and will do for them. This is not fear it is love. But the scriptures do say those who fear Yahweh have a good understanding. Still the contect is knowledge of who he really is. I believe any parent would be thrilled a child wants to do as thier parents say because they love them.. Blessings...Miles the whole story and all text has been interpreted with fear in the heart of damnation, and seeking a truth to save oneself, and this make one find what they MOST wish for....... the story of sodom was a story of redemtption and even of rapture, but fear heard all words and interpreted them.... if you love what you believe and it work and make you happy, then this be for you and serve you well...... i say nothing that i wish my children to obey, and rather teach them to think for themseves, and help them understand their own minds......i am only a reaction to them, not an action...... it is my privelage to help them see they are not evil, and have no evil thoughts, and rather help them understand their mind, and what it whisper to them, and what to do with it and how to apply it....... there is never any need for me to give my children commandments......... this make one a follower, and easy prey for all villians of fear such as yourself...... if you believe telling another that they will be turned to a pillar of salt as a punishment is love, then indeed this show what you are afraid of for yourself....... your words show your worst fear is denying your god...... if you beleve you are evil, and need saving, then indeed you do, as your mind is not free of what condem itself, so what freedom or fogivness has been found........ it does not seem that fear can cast out fear, so only fear can be given back to one that use it in return.......peace |
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The bible is not God's word. The bible is the interpretation of what men believe to be god's word. I will accept the possibility that there might be an infallible god even though it seems very unlikely. I can not accept the possibility of any man or group of men being able to fully understand gods desires and wishes. I think a lot of what is defined as sin in the bible was written to further the agenda of the writers and is not gods law. spreid I assume that you also think that God is incapable of communicating with man as well. What exactly do you think God is capable of? My god is with a small "g". What I believe in is a creation force. This force is not all knowing and is not all powerful. In simplistic terms it is like an inventor. It creates and then sees how it's creation functions. If it likes what it creates, such as rainbows, it leaves the product alone. If it isn't satisfied it modifies the product, evolution. I don't think it has any desire or need to talk to humanity. It will know when it has got it right and doesn't really need our input. spreid |
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My god is with a small "g". What I believe in is a creation force. This force is not all knowing and is not all powerful. In simplistic terms it is like an inventor. It creates and then sees how it's creation functions. If it likes what it creates, such as rainbows, it leaves the product alone. If it isn't satisfied it modifies the product, evolution. I don't think it has any desire or need to talk to humanity. It will know when it has got it right and doesn't really need our input.
spreid I like that. That's very interesting.  
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David
Like I have always said. Yahweh does not want someone to come to him that does not want to from the heart. I believe your notion of what i believe has not come fully to you. The salt is an anagram that signifies what pain is. What disobedience whether to Yahweh or to nature you can bring on yourself. Shalom..Miles |
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