Redy Wrote:

Why is it people EXPECT Christians to be so kind, careing, loving and accepting?

Why is it, whenever we see a Christian doing something that seems, judgemntal, prejudiced, hateful or belittling, the first thing we say is

"and you're a Christian?"

Personally I EXPECT no difference from people based on their religion. The greatest number of examples, of any one kind, of behavior that I've witnessed from Christians as a whole has CERTAINLY NOT been what people seem to EXPECT.

So what is it that we EXPECT from Christians and Why?


Debbie Writes:

I can't again answer but for myself. As I am a human being with human flaws and not perfect by any stretch......But I do try my very very hardest to live and be an example...I don't want to just talk the talk I am walking the walk. I expect nothing less then what God's has set forth for me. I expect other Christians to hold the following as the truth for their lives.


Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall possess the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for justice,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called sons of God.

Blessed are they who suffer persecution for justice sake,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

And I so firmly believe that there is only one "Judge" and anyone else who tries to be "judge" juror and convictor of anyone else.......is just wrong...

No there for me is a difference between being anothers judge...and setting people straight...as all of you can think as you please and write as you please..then we shall to....and take scripture out of context or twist it to fit yourself then I will be right behind you......

Case in point:

Tribo Said:
i agree, really i dont think more than 1% of all christians are really true devout types. But then again your book says only a remnant will be saved anyway.
Edited by tribo on Thu 07/10/08 09:16 PM

Debbie Says:
This is just wrong wrong wrong.....when you take something and just make it out there...and don't even explain what you mean by it......Which one did you mean tribo

1. Genesis 45:7
But God sent me ahead of you to preserve for you a remnant on earth and to save your lives by a great deliverance.

2. Deuteronomy 3:11
(Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaites. His bed was made of iron and was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide. It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites.)

3. 2 Kings 19:4
It may be that the LORD your God will hear all the words of the field commander, whom his master, the king of Assyria, has sent to ridicule the living God, and that he will rebuke him for the words the LORD your God has heard. Therefore pray for the remnant that still survives."

4. 2 Kings 19:30
Once more a remnant of the house of Judah will take root below and bear fruit above.

5. 2 Kings 19:31
For out of Jerusalem will come a remnant, and out of Mount Zion a band of survivors. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.

6. 2 Kings 21:14
I will forsake the remnant of my inheritance and hand them over to their enemies. They will be looted and plundered by all their foes,

7. 2 Chronicles 34:9
They went to Hilkiah the high priest and gave him the money that had been brought into the temple of God, which the Levites who were the doorkeepers had collected from the people of Manasseh, Ephraim and the entire remnant of Israel and from all the people of Judah and Benjamin and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

8. 2 Chronicles 34:21
"Go and inquire of the LORD for me and for the remnant in Israel and Judah about what is written in this book that has been found. Great is the LORD's anger that is poured out on us because our fathers have not kept the word of the LORD; they have not acted in accordance with all that is written in this book."

9. 2 Chronicles 36:20
He carried into exile to Babylon the remnant, who escaped from the sword, and they became servants to him and his sons until the kingdom of Persia came to power.

10. Ezra 9:8
"But now, for a brief moment, the LORD our God has been gracious in leaving us a remnant and giving us a firm place in his sanctuary, and so our God gives light to our eyes and a little relief in our bondage.

11. Ezra 9:13
"What has happened to us is a result of our evil deeds and our great guilt, and yet, our God, you have punished us less than our sins have deserved and have given us a remnant like this.

12. Ezra 9:14
Shall we again break your commands and intermarry with the peoples who commit such detestable practices? Would you not be angry enough with us to destroy us, leaving us no remnant or survivor?

13. Ezra 9:15
O LORD, God of Israel, you are righteous! We are left this day as a remnant. Here we are before you in our guilt, though because of it not one of us can stand in your presence."

14. Nehemiah 1:2
Hanani, one of my brothers, came from Judah with some other men, and I questioned them about the Jewish remnant that survived the exile, and also about Jerusalem.

15. Isaiah 10:20
[ The Remnant of Israel ] In that day the remnant of Israel, the survivors of the house of Jacob, will no longer rely on him who struck them down but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel.

16. Isaiah 10:21
A remnant will return, a remnant of Jacob will return to the Mighty God.

17. Isaiah 10:22
Though your people, O Israel, be like the sand by the sea, only a remnant will return. Destruction has been decreed, overwhelming and righteous.

18. Isaiah 11:11
In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea.

19. Isaiah 11:16
There will be a highway for the remnant of his people that is left from Assyria, as there was for Israel when they came up from Egypt.
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20. Isaiah 17:3
The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim, and royal power from Damascus; the remnant of Aram will be like the glory of the Israelites," declares the LORD Almighty.

21. Isaiah 28:5
In that day the LORD Almighty will be a glorious crown, a beautiful wreath for the remnant of his people.

22. Isaiah 37:4
It may be that the LORD your God will hear the words of the field commander, whom his master, the king of Assyria, has sent to ridicule the living God, and that he will rebuke him for the words the LORD your God has heard. Therefore pray for the remnant that still survives."

23. Isaiah 37:31
Once more a remnant of the house of Judah will take root below and bear fruit above.

24. Isaiah 37:32
For out of Jerusalem will come a remnant, and out of Mount Zion a band of survivors. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.

25. Jeremiah 6:9
This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Let them glean the remnant of Israel as thoroughly as a vine; pass your hand over the branches again, like one gathering grapes."

All I ask is that if your going to use scripture......know the context and the purpose of that scripture and what your intentions are with using it....

Quickstepper:

How dare you insinuate that I have an irrational hatred of Jews!

I appose Zionism not Jews. If you would go get an education and find out what Zionism is we all would appreciate it.

And stop slandering me or I will report you.

You said to Mirror:



Quickstepper, anyone who has read your posts knows that if anyone is a bigot it is you.

You use terms like "you people" and many other name calling tactics in many of your threads. It is alway you against them energy. DEMS against Republicans, Liberals against you (conservatives?) etc etc on and on.

You want to call me out or something? I will take you on anytime.

JB

Shalom Red.. Long time no c

I see everyone almost the same.. The only ones I will call down and i won't just talk about them i will go to them if i have a problem.. Is those who preach or push the word.. If they are going to tell us we are not saved by thier rederick then i am going to point out thier short fall.. what's good for the goose is good for the gander.. i think that's it..Yea that it. Shalom Red ...Miles

I'm not worried about her. She is drowning in her own opinions and she doesn't know what she is talking about.

JB


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Quickstepper

It took me a while to figure out what you were talking about with the above message, I think I have. I would like to set right what you have misunderstood.

It seems that all you got from my post was that I accused you of being afraid. There are certain intrinsic values that have evolved in the human. Some believe these natural states to have been developed through natural selection, others don't beleive there is a vast enough amount of quantifiable evidence proving or disproving the theory.

Either way, the greatest number of scientists and philosophers agree that humans have eveolved a set of intrinsic values requiring a need to form social ties and societies. In order to be the social animal we are, we also had to develop personality traits that would allow us to bend to and, thereby, adhering to laws and rules that seem logical and offer a feeling of well-being, safety and protectin through, and of the group.

For the most part we are all followers, the soldier ants, so to speak. Part of our nature is to NEED others to feel and believe as we do. We require that kind of passive agreement in order to feel safe and secure with our own understanding of our social position in the civil order of things.

The above is what I refer to when I explained that people Need to share their beliefs with others and more than just share they NEED to make sure that they find that passive agreement. It matters not what the belief is, as long as it is approved of and agreed upon by others.

That doesn't make the belief correct. In fact it is the reason that so many illogical beliefs are followed. When logic cannot be found in one set of beliefs, the individual MUST STILL FIND some thoughts, theories, ideas or beliefs that others can share and approve and even agree with. That is the nature of the human being.

The inability to find a set of common thoughts/beliefs or to have one's beliefs be unsubstantiated causes stress and the person fears they have not understood the intrinsic directive that would allow them to be part of the group (society) that would give them safety and protection. That is the fear I speak of.

Once a person receives approval they continue to test for further approval. It doesn't matter if the approval is 100% or not. In fact any slight possibility of agreement in any part of the belief becomes enough to transmit that euphoric condition that implies to one that they are fully one within the social network and from that point on, further approval becomes the drug of choice.

It allievates fear, it secures one's need for social ties, and allows one to continue on with the illusion that the savety net is a word spelled g o d when all the while what has been satiated was the instrinsic, evolved, need to find safety in numbers.

Yes, I do think you are one who sees a person and listens to a person, and evaluates based on that person, but if you don't mind can I ask one question.

I realize there is an exception for you, and that exception takes place when you see someone trying to sway another with false teachings.

I do the same thing, but to me all religions are made up of false teachings. You would correct others, who believe you are wrong, and there are still many others who hold any number of beliefs in which every one would find fault.

So the question is this -
Do you find it to be a competition, in a setting such as this forum, where those unknowledgable, might be swayed in one of many directions, when you believe your's to be the only correct one?

Please be assured that this is not meant to be confrontational, it is a valid and serious question. I ask it of you, becasue you are the most likely to understand the question without offense and give me the most honest answer.

And, as always, it's nice to c ya again too.

AB wrote:


It's refreshing to hear that someone feels their role as a parent is still the most valuable role of all. And that the role of parent includes allowing one's children to experience what the parent believes and why as they teach their children what reciprocity means.

When I happen upon people who are in silent prayer, whether alone or holding hands with others, I always take the utmost care not to intrude. There must be a reciprocity between people who do their best not to intrude within the physical space that includes the sight, sound, touch, of any other, while attending to those things they feel a need to do.

Nice AB

Forgive my quickness... I will respond further later...

Hiya Red!!!

hmmm??? i i dont care if anyone beieves as i do, am i then the most scared person on earth? I'm not scared because i know who i am, therefore i know mankind as a whole is also like me, i dont look for approval of other's or care if they think like me or act like me because i already know that they do. we are all of a kind - just at different stages.There are no mysteries in this thing called man for me, so i have no fears in things talked of or held as beliefs, in the long run it does not really matter. What matters if anything is that you find out who you are! then all else will become clear.

Deb,

Thanks for responding, and I'm sorry but I really don't understand your responce. What was the point of the following:

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall possess the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for justice,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called sons of God.

Blessed are they who suffer persecution for justice sake,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Then you wrote:



So if I understand this part, you are saying that you don't judge but you do draw the line at being silent when others are twising the word of scripture.

But as we all know the words seem easy enough to twist into other meaning. No one has answered the one hovering question - What makes the interpretation of your Holy Ghost more right than the interpretation of someone else's Holy Ghost?

I guess in essence the true question is, if millions of Christians believe they are being guided in interpreting spripture by the Holy Ghost and those interpretations differ, who can ever know which person or persons are being led erroneously?

So what if, when you step in to correct others, you are giving information from some alternate source, or from your own mind and what if that information is wrong?

Are you any more right to believe that you are not being misled than anyone else who follows a different interpretation?

excellent point, but you know as well as i we are all mislead if we belive words from books, the only truths are natural truths.

Some people probably do seek the approval or agreement of others to validate their peculiar point of view so that they don't feel completely alone.

For me, if I find only one person who agrees or understands a single point I make it feels nice to have a connection of mutual understanding no matter how small or insignificant it is.

This is the law of like attracts like. Like thinking attracts like thinking and then it grows and attracts more like thinking. This is part of the law of attraction.

The function is an information gathering and sorting process of the universal mind. It converts chaotic information into order and organizes information into groups of minds (individuals) who analyze and sort it out.

This information becomes part of the universal subconscious mind.

Anyway thats my theory or opinion. Its just an idea open for discussion.

JB

Hi CREATIVE so nice that you stopped in to say hey.

Hi Tribo, you wrote (and made me laugh):


I laughed with understanding. I've long since discovered that being this simplistic with those who are deeply entrenched in belief systems is not possible. It would have been so nice to use so few words to start with, but myths require a more intensive code breaking.

I find discussion and even debate much easier between those whose myths do not require so much path finding and weed trimming.

Hi JB,

In many ways your are actually agreeing with Tribo. We all find our own way to be part of society. I just happen to think the healthiest way for society to advance is through humans, and the laws that humans make, for the sake of human suvival all level of ethicality that a societal culture would allow at any give point in history.

The idea being that society changes and so must it's rules. A religion that is static, caugth in time, cannot keep up with the needs of an advancing society.

So many people are doing away with the strick adherance to static, and unbendable religiuos beliefs for more fluid and updatable ones.

Seems logical to me.

ahh, so true, so true

Hello AB....



How can anyone hold another in higher standard? Why does there have to be this thing about who is bigger than whom?

The thing I dont get is we all have one address, whether we like it or not...Earth...third rock from Sol...we all live in the same neighbourhood...this solar system..NOTHING...absolutely nothing separates us.... if Mr Cambodia drops rubbish, or Mr China pollutes the Yangtze...or Ms America airs her dirty laundry, or Ms Australia tips her rubbish over the fence, it affects all of us....

one address peoples... we all share it....

and no matter which cap, scarf, burka or bikini one wears, we all live together.

This separationist mindset, irrespective of the faith, religion, philosophy, concept, or non concept one has, is where one has the ILLUSION of being more....

it's all it is...an ILLUSION....created, manufactured, and synthesised by one's own mind...

that's my product, Di, and I'm sticking to it..

Tribo:


Books can offer insight we would not otherwise have. I think, more to the point, would be that we should never consider the written word to be the one and only irreducible, unmoveable source of knowledge and truth.

The obvious fact that any language is totally dependent on one whom encodes and one who would receive and decode the message. Speaking and listening, writing and reading, are always the proverbial game of telephone. The number of translations is equavelent to the number of listners and readers and that is about the most truth I know.

Thank you JB :
I had the same problems with her in both politics and religion threads . Now I do not read what she writes at all . .