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Topic: Critical thinking - to the point
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Thu 07/10/08 06:52 AM
Why is it people EXPECT Christians to be so kind, careing, loving and accepting?

Why is it, whenever we see a Christian doing something that seems, judgemntal, prejudiced, hateful or belittling, the first thing we say is

"and you're a Christian?"

Personally I EXPECT no difference from people based on their religion. The greatest number of examples, of any one kind, of behavior that I've witnessed from Christians as a whole has CERTAINLY NOT been what people seem to EXPECT.

So what is it that we EXPECT from Christians and Why?

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Thu 07/10/08 07:34 AM

Why is it people EXPECT Christians to be so kind, careing, loving and accepting?

Why is it, whenever we see a Christian doing something that seems, judgemntal, prejudiced, hateful or belittling, the first thing we say is

"and you're a Christian?"

Personally I EXPECT no difference from people based on their religion. The greatest number of examples, of any one kind, of behavior that I've witnessed from Christians as a whole has CERTAINLY NOT been what people seem to EXPECT.

So what is it that we EXPECT from Christians and Why?



There was only one perfect man..............
And they crusafide him!!!
Sorry if any miss spell.:heart:

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Thu 07/10/08 07:49 AM
As a child when I would hear of a nun or a priest, I always thought these people are truly holy and represent peace, love, and wisdom.

as I grew older I realized that they are no different then us and hold a faith in a certain belief system.

It was just yesterday I was invited to a sabbath (jewish) gathering. I truly tried to understand the scriptures and what was being said, but it cannot be understood unless you just blindly "BELIEVE" what is written in the scriptures and surrender yourself to a religious organization. You have to accept you are a sinner and that you will be forgiven to get eternal happiness in heaven.

I never understood that I should feel I am a sinner. I would rather see it as a blessing to enjoy the time on earth. That it was a gift given to me.

Then when I asked questions I was told to read more and I will understand. I was told to pray each day and I will understand. To tell you the truth I hear or see nothing. Even if I truly believe and surround myself, I feel I am being just ignored.

In the long run I find it that each individual has more imagination then others and use their imagination more seriously for individual growth.

I know this sounds ironic and riddiculous for those who give their whole faith to someone or something, but for me I need logic or somekind of reasoning to fully accept anything blindly.

For all I care I would rather visit a Indian Reservation and do a rain dance. It is alot more fun and inspirational to me.

:smile:

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Thu 07/10/08 08:27 AM

Why is it people EXPECT Christians to be so kind, careing, loving and accepting?

Why is it, whenever we see a Christian doing something that seems, judgemntal, prejudiced, hateful or belittling, the first thing we say is

"and you're a Christian?"

Personally I EXPECT no difference from people based on their religion. The greatest number of examples, of any one kind, of behavior that I've witnessed from Christians as a whole has CERTAINLY NOT been what people seem to EXPECT.

So what is it that we EXPECT from Christians and Why?



Because I expect people to practice what they preach.

Would you respect and listen to a nutritional adviser who was obese with diabetics and ate poorly or a doctor who smoked and drank who tells you to quit smoking for your health?

I wouldn't.

Most people learn by example. The greatest Christians are the ones who teach by example. They live clean happy normal prosperous lives. They smile and help others and do good works. They don't just go around judging and preaching to others with frowns on their faces. They don't separate themselves from the human race by thinking that they are better or special.

JB


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Thu 07/10/08 08:51 AM
the reason we expect christians to follow their teachings is because they are so quick to judge others by a standard set in a book, they, themselves dont follow.

Why should we follow the teachings when we have christians on here that think theft is funny

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Thu 07/10/08 08:56 AM
I don't expect anything from Christians unless they start preaching. Once they start preaching they've entered into the realm of salesmanship. At that point I'll gladly point out all the flaws in the book they are trying to sell. And let's face it, the religion is entirely doctrine-based without the doctrine they have no religion. It's a belief in a book.

If people want to believe in a book that's their business, but as soon as they start trying to sell other people on the contents of the book then it becomes a product and a sales pitch and is then open to examination and questions.

That's as simple as it gets. bigsmile

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Thu 07/10/08 08:58 AM

I don't expect anything from Christians unless they start preaching. Once they start preaching they've entered into the realm of salesmanship. At that point I'll gladly point out all the flaws in the book they are trying to sell. And let's face it, the religion is entirely doctrine-based without the doctrine they have no religion. It's a belief in a book.

If people want to believe in a book that's their business, but as soon as they start trying to sell other people on the contents of the book then it becomes a product and a sales pitch and is then open to examination and questions.

That's as simple as it gets. bigsmile



I say AMEN to that!laugh

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Thu 07/10/08 11:14 AM
I expect nothing from no one past what ever their religious or non religious take is period. Humans are humans. get over it - :tongue:

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Thu 07/10/08 11:21 AM

I expect nothing from no one past what ever their religious or non religious take is period. Humans are humans. get over it - :tongue:


I do. I expect respect. I expect honesty. I expect a preacher to practice what he preaches.

I know it's not easy, and I know not everyone does it. Maybe I expect too much, but I expect people to respect my right to exist.

JB

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Thu 07/10/08 01:02 PM
Edited by tribo on Thu 07/10/08 01:40 PM


I expect nothing from no one past what ever their religious or non religious take is period. Humans are humans. get over it - :tongue:


I do. I expect respect. I expect honesty. I expect a preacher to practice what he preaches.

I know it's not easy, and I know not everyone does it. Maybe I expect too much, but I expect people to respect my right to exist.

JB


that was not aimed at you - mankind in general, i respect everyone's right to exist - especially gods and goddess' - :tongue:

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Thu 07/10/08 02:48 PM

Why is it people EXPECT Christians to be so kind, careing, loving and accepting?

Why is it, whenever we see a Christian doing something that seems, judgemntal, prejudiced, hateful or belittling, the first thing we say is

"and you're a Christian?"

Personally I EXPECT no difference from people based on their religion. The greatest number of examples, of any one kind, of behavior that I've witnessed from Christians as a whole has CERTAINLY NOT been what people seem to EXPECT.

So what is it that we EXPECT from Christians and Why?


Well actually Redy... the "born again" Christian means change in itself. People want to see the fruit of God...in people...not just in miracles.

Sometimes I think that the greatest miracle of all is the change in the inner man...

Carnal people have been using that against Christians forever...LOL It goes with the territory.

People want to see results. Honestly speaking...they should not settle for less... wouldn't you agree?

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Thu 07/10/08 03:17 PM
Red I never expect a thing from anyone re their religious beliefs.

Practice of a religious ritual is a pursuit of where that person wants to be.

What they do in the moment is but a reflection of where they actually are upon their journey.

AB

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Thu 07/10/08 03:25 PM

Red I never expect a thing from anyone re their religious beliefs.

Practice of a religious ritual is a pursuit of where that person wants to be.

What they do in the moment is but a reflection of where they actually are upon their journey.

AB


true and you cant help them along if their mind is closed to all else, that's just the nature of man.

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Thu 07/10/08 05:11 PM
Edited by Redykeulous on Thu 07/10/08 05:13 PM
Wow - how great to see all of you here. Thanks for the replies.

Wolfchic, Smiless, JB, Belushi I agree with you, Abra, as always on spot, I hope you are over your bad spell.

Tribo exactly, there is not way to change those who believe the best CAN BE expected of them, even when the best is rarely what we see.

Quikstepper, I agree with your thought but I have to disagree with the idea of the born again because it is very often the born again that are the quickest to judge and worse, to pass sentence.
Of course as I said, I expect no better of people who claim to be religious for the mere fact that we are all human.

AdventureBegins - I was very happy to see you, it's been a very long time, I hope you are well and will participate in some of the threads again.

HERE'S A QUESTION:

Since Christians are so happy to point out that they believe they are the largest world religion and still growing, wouldn't we expect the world to be a better place than it is? America is a terrible example as the population is considered to be predominently Christian and it has the just about the worst statisitcs of violence per capita in the world.

What does that say to you?
What does that say to Christians?

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Thu 07/10/08 05:38 PM
Edited by tribo on Thu 07/10/08 06:14 PM

Wow - how great to see all of you here. Thanks for the replies.

Wolfchic, Smiless, JB, Belushi I agree with you, Abra, as always on spot, I hope you are over your bad spell.

Tribo exactly, there is not way to change those who believe the best CAN BE expected of them, even when the best is rarely what we see.

Quikstepper, I agree with your thought but I have to disagree with the idea of the born again because it is very often the born again that are the quickest to judge and worse, to pass sentence.
Of course as I said, I expect no better of people who claim to be religious for the mere fact that we are all human.

AdventureBegins - I was very happy to see you, it's been a very long time, I hope you are well and will participate in some of the threads again.

HERE'S A QUESTION:

Since Christians are so happy to point out that they believe they are the largest world religion and still growing, wouldn't we expect the world to be a better place than it is? America is a terrible example as the population is considered to be predominently Christian and it has the just about the worst statisitcs of violence per capita in the world.

What does that say to you?
What does that say to Christians?


hi Redy, to me it says they don't practice what they preach, the word is to get yourself and your families and all of your kind straight first, then go help other's when you reach that point. Instead they learn a little and then go out and try to save those who don't know their supposed truths.This leaves them wide open to the criticism they deservedly get from those not interested in their beliefs and turns many others off also. But in all fairness i also believe that no matter what numbers they come up with that only 1% or less are really true devout christians, the rest are just religious and see church as a place to go to be entertained by musicians, celebrity speakers, special events, plus meeting potential mates that believe like them also and a myriad of other things that have nothing to do with what god ask of them, but that's just my take. Oh, and by the way yes America over all is a bad example, bush has seen to that quite thoroughly, another futurist wanna be.

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Thu 07/10/08 05:40 PM
It started when

prayer was taken out of schools.

We need God in America again.

Thank God people are realizing this , and many are praying for America.

Revival is on the way.

God is not done with America.:heart:




tribo's photo
Thu 07/10/08 05:45 PM

It started when

prayer was taken out of schools.

We need God in America again.

Thank God people are realizing this , and many are praying for America.

Revival is on the way.

God is not done with America.:heart:






it was happening when i was in grade school as a catholic in the 50's that has nothing to do with it. man has just become more selfish than he was then and will continue to do so till he wakes up and says - WHOAAA!! which will be to late as usual.

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Thu 07/10/08 05:57 PM
Tribo, I very much agree with you. It has always seemed to me that churches were primarily a social center and support group and the payment was a profession of belief.

MorningSong, sometimes the mark of progress requires that we leave something behind. Sometimes those who hold on to it and drag it behind them never catch up again and eventually when they speak no one listens. You might try staying behind with that which was left there, to try to sell to those who are passing you by.


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Thu 07/10/08 06:12 PM

Tribo, I very much agree with you. It has always seemed to me that churches were primarily a social center and support group and the payment was a profession of belief.

MorningSong, sometimes the mark of progress requires that we leave something behind. Sometimes those who hold on to it and drag it behind them never catch up again and eventually when they speak no one listens. You might try staying behind with that which was left there, to try to sell to those who are passing you by.





AMEN! - oops laugh

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Thu 07/10/08 08:51 PM
Edited by Eljay on Thu 07/10/08 08:52 PM


HERE'S A QUESTION:

Since Christians are so happy to point out that they believe they are the largest world religion and still growing, wouldn't we expect the world to be a better place than it is? America is a terrible example as the population is considered to be predominently Christian and it has the just about the worst statisitcs of violence per capita in the world.

What does that say to you?
What does that say to Christians?


As a Christian I'd say "who are you talking to that you get this information? And "don't believe everything you hear."

Largest religion in the world? Hardly. I believe that the Pseudo-christians (those who are so in name only - as it were) outnumber the "church on earth" by about 2 to 1. Closer examination of the conrgregations who claim to have "exclusive rights" to Christianity, such as The Church of Christ, Jehovah witnesses, Catholicism, Mormans, Baptists, United Church of Christ, Unity Church of Chistianity, the list goes on - each one of these denominations does NOT recognize the other as the "true church" here on earth. Yet the secularists lump them all together into one statistic. Odd, is it not? No member of the Church of Christ - anywhere on the planet recognises Mormanism is part of the "church" They are seen as a CULT. Same with Jehovah Witness', Unity Church of Christ - all Cults. Even Catholicism is seen to be a Cult to the Church of Christ. No Morman accepts that a Jehovah Witness will share the kingdom of heaven with them, and vice versa.

Christians are certainly NOT the majority of the population in America. Back in the 1700's this was true. These days - hardly.

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