a serial killer once caught and sentenced to life in prison or giving the death penalty can easily place theirselves into the mind frame to be truely rependant but if not for the fact that they have been caught they may have keep on killing within that society ...so it would be the soceity that tured the serial killer rependant and not necessarily a love of God and wouldn't that serial killer still be capable of entering Heaven while those that never killed would enter Hell

God is a just and Righteous God...and He shall not be mocked...

No one wants their loved ones to be thrown into hell fire

but for those who defy His Laws & continue to cause destruction

and suffering and murder of innocent people...without remorse

He will lay his law down swiftly & eradicate them to the core


do you think husse< insane > deserves a good eternal reward?
and bin loser ...what do you think of his atrocities ?
do you think he will fall on his knees & repent ???

how about ted bundy & jeffrey dahmer & all the others

evil predatory maniacal mad men like that ???


Well, God is the judge , and i am not...

so it is up to God the last & final judgement

i believe that unless they truly repent

& beg God to forgive them


they will be cast into the outer darkness ...

where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth


as the Bible Speaks ...

separate from God for all of eternity

but it's no getting around the fact that believers will praise the God that would allow it to happen and to continue



..er.."Rapunzel" remember it's about God eradicating love ones that don't cause harm to others



those two answer to Allah not to Yahweh

yes...
well, i don't think Allah is impressed with them either

No probably with that. But all he needs to do is un-create them (kill them spiritually), he doesn't need to torture them for all eternity.

Moreover, if he can intervene why doesn't he kill this people earlier? Why allow them to carry on? Giving them a chance to repent? That makes no sense because. And what if they do repent? Then what? Then he has to accept them into his heaven anyway and forgive them for what they've done?



God created these men. They didn't create themselves. Do you honestly believe that these men are just like you and me? Do you think that thye just choose to do bad things. I don't think that you are I could do those kinds of things if we wanted to! And that's just the point, we don't want to. Buy why don't we want to?????

Because we were lucky enough not to have demented sick minds!!!

Do you honestly believe that those men CHOOSE to have demented sick minds? I don't believe it. They're have to have screwed up brains to begin with.




Maybe they have all could you know? Maybe those men hate themselves more than you hate them? Did you ever think of that?



Again, what would be the point to it?

Eternity is a hell of a long time. Unimaginably longer than a brief human lifetime. So you're saying that torturing people who were unfortunate enought to have been born with defective brains should be punished for all eternity.

Vanessa, we used to around talking about this very thing. How can it be that we aren't tempted to run out and rape, pillage, and murder? I don't have to fight the temptation to do those things and I never have.

The thought of purposefully harming another person has NEVER been an attractive thought for me in my entire life.

Am I responsible for that????

Do I deserve a reward because I just happened to be born as a nice person????

I don't think I'm anymore responsible for being nice than I am for having blue eyes.

Sure, SOME people do make choices to do bad things for intellectual reasons such as greed and personal gain.

But what would a serial killer who murders victims and cuts their bodys be getting out of that???

Clearly it's just plain sick. They have sick minds. How can they be responsible for having been born with sick minds.

You'll never convince me that normal decent people simply CHOOSE to become demented serial killers.

There's something wrong with the whole judgmental picture, and what's wrong with it is the obvious fact that all men are NOT created equal.

Some are created with nice personalities and healhty brains, and others are created with nasty personalities and sick minds.

God could not justify tossing anyone he creates into an eternal state of torment. Because ultimately he is RESPONSIBLE for everyone he has created.

Including the sickest serial killers you can imagine.

Dear Sweet Abracadabra

I really do love you & your tenacity
hugs to you ...
I know we have clashed before, at times...

but i do respect & admire you for your perseverence
&
perhaps we need to ask

Wouldee & Spider & Eljay

these questions...

for I am far from a Bible scholar
I sure don't have all the answers

here we are again...trying to make sense

and logic with our mortal minds

the things that are spiritual and heavenly

and one of the biggest beliefs with Christianity

is that we walk in faith ...not blind ,

but with unseen, yet very real <nonetheless> belief...


like when The doubting Thomas came to Jesus
after He had risen from the Dead...

and wanted to see and feel the wound in His side ..



and Jesus Said

" blessed are those who believe and yet have not seen"

I know that there is another force
that is very powerful in the world...

but not as powerful as the Creator's

I do know though that the archangel Lucifer

thought he was better than God..

& tried to rise up against God

God cast him down,

and made the Earth to be the workshop of the devil ...

and it is not God who causes these cataclysmic events...

it is not God who made monsters out of these men...

It is Satan who goes about 24/7 like a roaring lion...

knowing that these are the end times...especially


trying to consume as many as he can

and bring them down along with him

Yes, but faith in what? God? Or a book?



You don't know whether a man named Jesus actually said that to someone or not.

All you know is that a book claims that there was a man named Jesus who said these thing.

And even if you can historically show that such a man lived, you still can't know if all these tales about him have an validity.

All you can possibly do is put your faith in a book.



You don't know any such thing.

All you know is that some book claims these things.

I have no problem with the concept of a God Vanessa.

But I have serous problems with believing that the book you believe in has anything to do with God.

In fact, I have insurmountable problems with that book.

I see absolutely no reason to believe that book has anything to do with God.

On the contrary I have a myriad of reasons why I feel that book can't possibly be from an all-wise, all-intelligent, all-powerful, all-loving, all-perfect God.

If only for the fact that the stories in the book don't display these qualities at all.

On the contrary they grossly contradict these qualities with ever story.

I'm not denying God Vanessa.

I'm denying a book.

You say that your faith isn't blind.

But you sure seem to have blind faith in a book.

You don't know whether a man named Jesus actually said that to someone or not.

All you know is that a book claims that there was a man named Jesus who said these thing.


" {{{ This is not all i know...I have witnessed miracles ...

I have experienced the Spirit of God working in my life ...}}}"

And even if you can historically show that such a man lived, you still can't know if all these tales about him have an validity.

All you can possibly do is put your faith in a book.


"not true "

I know that there is another force
that is very powerful in the world...

but not as powerful as the Creator's

I do know though that the archangel Lucifer

thought he was better than God.

You don't know any such thing.

All you know is that some book claims these things.



"yes, that is true, to a point...
the other is by a spiritual connection with my Creator
thru beliefs and feelings that defy human comprehension...

I believe that
if God is truly the Creator of the Universe,
then He has the Power & Desire for His Word to be made known
and the Bible says His Word will not return to Him Void "





I have no problem with the concept of a God Vanessa.

But I have serous problems with believing that the book you believe in has anything to do with God.

In fact, I have insurmountable problems with that book.

I see absolutely no reason to believe that book has anything to do with God.

On the contrary I have a myriad of reasons why I feel that book can't possibly be from an all-wise, all-intelligent, all-powerful, all-loving, all-perfect God.

If only for the fact that the stories in the book don't display these qualities at all.

On the contrary they grossly contradict these qualities with ever story.

I'm not denying God Vanessa.

I'm denying a book.

You say that your faith isn't blind.

But you sure seem to have blind faith in a book.




perhaps , it seems that way ...
but i have never been one to just believe anything,
just because that was part of my upbringing ...
I have read other works from various authors
and glean wise teachings from all sorts of sources...

I often thought what it would be like to be raised in China
or another Country...and i have mentioned this before
I told you that I embrace wisdom wherever it comes from

So have I.

That doesn't mean that the Bible's correct.

How many times do I need to say that I'm not an atheist?

I haven't seen any miracles that actually point to the bible as needing to be true.

Also, I feel the spirit in my life. Yet I totally denounce the bible, and I totally denounce the idea that Jesus Christ is the sacrificial lamb of God.

Yet, my refusal to believe in these things hasn't turned the spirit against me. On the contrary, I feel that the spirit is quite pleased with me. I'm at complete peace with God.

How could that be?

How could I feel that God is pleased with me if God is truly angry with me?

That makes no sense.

Moreover, if you try to claim that some evil demon is making me feel this way that's doesn't wash either.

I'm too sincere for that.

An evil demon could not possibly hide someone from God who truly wants to seek God. For god to even allow such a thing to happen would be unjustifiable.

How could I be held responsible for having been innocently tricked by evil demons?

It wouldn't have been my choice to be tricked!

We can't have God rejecting people who truly want to choose him but who are being tricked by a supposedly lesser demon.

That can't be.

In the very same way, it makes no sense for the Bible to appear as nonsense to non-believers and only makes sense to believers (as the book itself proclaims)

Again, that would be an utterly deceitful God. Why purposefully blind innocent people from seeing his truth?

That's utter nonsense when the bible is viewed as being the word of God.

However, once you realize that the bible was actually written by deceiful men who are trying to brainwash people into believing it using every underhanded method they can dream up, it makes perfect sense!

God would need to be a conniving deceitful deity to pull the underhanded trickery that is presented in the Bible. It had to have been written by deceitful men.

It can't be true. It's too demonic. It's too hateful toward non-believers. It shuns non-believers using every trick in the book. Why? Because the authors don't want their words to be questioned by non-believers that's why!

No genuinley loving God would pull such dirty tricks.

The biblilcal picture is a disgrace to God.

God can't possibly be like that picture demands.

The book is ungodly. It can't be the word of God.

Pure and simple.

just wondering..., do you pray ?
And if so , who do you pray to?

Do you ask for the truth ?

Do you ask God To reveal Himself
or Herself or Themselves to you



just as much as you feel strongly about your beliefs ,

i feel strongly about mine...

but see, i am also willing to build bridges...


i go to see my Daughter who lives in the Bay Area

and she has a wide assortment of friends...

i truly love them...gays... lesbians....

people of all different beliefs...


and i know that wars
have been fought over disagreements

so why incorporate that in our lives
i don't debate with anyone out here in the world ...
i do not want to do it online...


you most likely will not
be seeing me in the religion threads...


i just don't want to be there
and i don't care to debate every little thing ....
that is just me....
it drives me crazy ...
although everyone is different ...

and i do believe
that God is the judge and not me
nor any other human ,
so that leaves me with one job & responsibility ..

and that is to love
and i look for things to unite us
and not divide us....


Okay , Dear....i'm gonna give this a rest ...

I'm not an authority on the Bible
& i just don't have all the answers you seek ,

so i will bid you a sweet adieu for now

and get on my bicycle and tough out the elements

which right now is major heat and little breeze ...


the weather here....

Fair
Feels Like:92°
Barometer:30.02 in and falling
Humidity:9%
Visibility:10 mi
Dewpoint:24°
Wind:W 5 mph
Sunrise:5:42 am
Sunset:8:33 pm
92°High: 95° Low: 59°

egads ...

summer is here in full swing...

coming at us < fast & furious>

..like the vin diesel movie

well Allah did promise them 72 virgins ...maybe they will be ulgy

Funches...here's the thing.......

God ain't done with us...meaning God SEES and KNOWS the hearts of All....including the rebellious hearts of those who don't YET believe......

but God is VERY VERY PATIENT.....

cause God also knows ,that most unbelievers NOW, WILL come to BELIEVE on God one day, before they leave this earth.

Including you, Funches.

And again, God would have NO MAN to perish.

Btw....

God sends NO ONE to hell......
man sends HIMSELF there ...... by REJECTING God.

ok 'MorningSong" make me a believer ...describe God beyond a concept wouldn't sounding delusional ....if you cannot do that then you will at that point in time become enlighten as to why there will be those that will never believe

come on "MorningSong" ..here's your chance

Yes, I pray every day. Usually several times a day.



I pray to God. I don't try to define God.

my response would be ..."what you talking about willis?"

hahahaha....


ooooh, Funches you are hilarious

ooops double post

DAMN.......i can't believe all these words when the very scripture only say GOD IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AT ALL TIMES.......

that very simplest principles of the book quoted are not contained in any of the words spoken here.......

it is NOT JUST ONE BEING......no other gods before the TRUTH.....to praise god is to praise the GOOD in each mans neighbor and friend and OWN family by knowing words to make the truth easier to speak..........not "praising" something sitting in a chair in the sky that demand respect and obedience called GOD......

the human mind CANNOT unlock any truth thinking GOD is only ONE SUPREME BEING......all beings are supreme if they speak all the truth at all times, and hide not behind hidden motives, the only evil agenda that exist.....

god be only the truth of what each mans destiny or path happen for, and what it's purpose be........mankind had to have MURDER to know what NON-MURDER was......is that such a far-fetched concept....no different than night needed day to have a knowledge of either one!

no evil can be "solved" by one that has committed no evil so understands nothing about it......give me a break you preachers of damnation of others.....every last one of you is born into the only potential HELL and all the while saying others are going to the pit of hell, lol......

any man WHEN he sees the TRUTH of his own HEART that cause him GUILT can be converted from evil acts to good and loving acts, by feeling hell........WHAT THE HELL, LOL......

if one think THEY are not capable of evil, then they have never YET been tempted, and that is in EVERY mans path either in the past or to come.......nothing can resist his roaring lion NEIGHBOR except one that has been first devoured by the lion many times, lol.....

satan is not some evil being with horns, but only a freind or a neighbor and most even family that try to persude one to follow them, and not teach EACH to follow their own heart, and explain to them the proper workings of the mind.....

repent only mean "to change ones mind"......eagerness to take a beaten for a crime one commit SHOWS repentence......

how can an evil man change his mind unless SOMEBODY tell him how the things he does hurt OTHERS, and show how they cause himself harm the MOST...............

where the hell has common sense gone.......

there are many "gods" it was said.......every human born have the potential to speak the truth, and also to speak lies, so every human born have the "potential" to be a lying evil devil or a truthful honest god to his neighbor.......

the only evil sick mind that walk upon this planet is one that the untrue interpretations and lies of religion have created, and these have been passed down from parent to child from the very beginning, and caused beings to not understand THEMSELVES, and then even GREAT evil and atrosities are created.......BUT THE TIME OF INNOCENCE IS OVER........

innocence is not purity, but rather ignorance in disguise

if there is ONE way the universe was created, and ONE way the body was formed, and ONE way all organs funtion, then there has to be ONE truth that complete all unknowns, and THIS CANNOT be found until one knows it exists to even look for it.......the only thing that matters, and SOLVES all, and can create all........

it's because as a wee baby I was accidently dropped on my frontal lobe...well they said it was an accident