Topic: Judge Orders Parent To Spank Child In Courtroom
daniel48706's photo
Mon 06/09/08 09:45 AM
Edited by daniel48706 on Mon 06/09/08 09:46 AM





I whole heartedly disagree, That judge should be dis-barred and thrown in prison, A judge is not to be implimenting his own personal beliefs from the bench, that is not what that position is 4!! I dont see much difference between that judge orcastrating the physical abuse of that child and Warren Jeffs Orcastrating the sexual abuse of those young girls. They both have no place in this free world


I dont know about Oklahoma, where you are from, but I can telly ou that in michigan, spanking is not abuse, and that is court declared. So please, you may feel spanking is abuse, but by law (again different states, different laws) spanking is not abuse. So do nto state it is definitevely abuse.


In my house, spanking is abuse.


Your house does not decide the law.


It's the law in my house.:wink:


no it is the rule in your house. you can argue all you want, and you can say anything you want, like (as an example) the law in my house is that nobody can come in even with a search warrant (tyring to sound ridiculous here, yes). But you know as well as I do, that if a cop showed up with a search warrant (not saying he would in your case), then no matter what you claim was law in your house, it would not matter.
Rules are not laws. Some people may treat them as such, but they are not laws.
Laws if not followed can mean jail time, etc. Rules not followed will never mean jail time etc.

franshade's photo
Mon 06/09/08 09:48 AM
Edited by franshade on Mon 06/09/08 09:48 AM
It's the law in my house.:wink:


no it is the rule[/b[] in your house. you can argue all you want, and you can say anything you want, like (as an example) the law in my house is that nobody can come in even with a search warrant (tyring to sound ridiculous here, yes). But you know as well as I do, that if a cop showed up with a search warrant (not saying he would in your case), then no matter what you claim was law in your house, it would not matter.
Rules are not laws. Some people may treat them as such, but they are not laws.
Laws if not followed can mean jail time, etc. Rules not followed will never mean jail time etc.

Daniel, why are you so defensive and combative, if she wants it to be a law in her house, who are you to say otherwise?


daniel48706's photo
Mon 06/09/08 10:05 AM

It's the law in my house.:wink:


no it is the rule[/b[] in your house. you can argue all you want, and you can say anything you want, like (as an example) the law in my house is that nobody can come in even with a search warrant (tyring to sound ridiculous here, yes). But you know as well as I do, that if a cop showed up with a search warrant (not saying he would in your case), then no matter what you claim was law in your house, it would not matter.
Rules are not laws. Some people may treat them as such, but they are not laws.
Laws if not followed can mean jail time, etc. Rules not followed will never mean jail time etc.

Daniel, why are you so defensive and combative, if she wants it to be a law in her house, who are you to say otherwise?




Who I am is someone who hates how people today think they are the law, and that hey have authority when they dont. And the statement "it is law in my house" dictates that they feel they are a legal authority in society, when they are anything but (as afr as I am aware).

The problem is not that I am defensive and combative. The problem is her way in choosing how to represent herself and hwo to talk/respond to others.
You come at me, for example and state you are the "law", and I ma likely to show you just how much "law" you have.

Now, I agree that in her house, her rules apply. That is only right. Please do not misunderstand me there. I do not mean to suggest that she is being intentionally antagonistic, either. But I have a very big issue with proper communication between people, as 9 out of 10 times, most misunderstandings come from miscommunication. All I ask is that someone use proper (and I don't mean grammatically correct either, lol; heaven knows I don't use it) English as much as possible.
Use the proper words for what you are saying. That wya if there is a misunderstanding it is not because you meant one thign and said another, like so many people today do.

franshade's photo
Mon 06/09/08 10:18 AM
Who I am is someone who hates how people today think they are the law, and that hey have authority when they dont. And the statement "it is law in my house" dictates that they feel they are a legal authority in society, when they are anything but (as afr as I am aware).

The problem is not that I am defensive and combative. The problem is her way in choosing how to represent herself and hwo to talk/respond to others.
You come at me, for example and state you are the "law", and I ma likely to show you just how much "law" you have.

Now, I agree that in her house, her rules apply. That is only right. Please do not misunderstand me there. I do not mean to suggest that she is being intentionally antagonistic, either. But I have a very big issue with proper communication between people, as 9 out of 10 times, most misunderstandings come from miscommunication. All I ask is that someone use proper (and I don't mean grammatically correct either, lol; heaven knows I don't use it) English as much as possible.
Use the proper words for what you are saying. That wya if there is a misunderstanding it is not because you meant one thign and said another, like so many people today do.


I think not only have you been misunderstood, but you too have misunderstood or made an assumption. No where on this thread did she say she was an authoritative figure in society, she is in her home. Regardless of what she calls it or what you call it she is the king/queen (feel free to use own verbage)of her castle. You take it to the extreme of suggesting is it also outside of her home.

I think you try too hard to be persuasive or to get your point across.

laugh On English language usage (finally we agree) and English was not my first language. laugh

People have the right to feel as they feel, the rest of us have the right to respect their feelings, not saying we must agree but to each their own.


daniel48706's photo
Mon 06/09/08 10:24 AM
I agree that I may have come on a bit strong, and if so I apologize. but as I said I absolutely detest when people think they are more that they are, and try to act that way. Just ask a former neighbor who thought she could stand in her window and yell obscenities at me all day. She found out the hard way I not only was able to get the restraining order (because of the foul nature of her language around my children), but the restraining order required her to vacate her premises immediately, and to have someone else pack her trailer up and move everything as she was not allowed to be within 1000 feet of me or my children. ANd yes I tried for almost a year to work things out with her reasonably (her idea of reasonable was to swing at me). I asked the local police to explain the siutuation to her and everything, and they warned her that if I got the restraining order it would mean instant move for her.

but that is all to the side of things. As I said, I may have come on a bit strong and if so I do apologize.

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Mon 06/09/08 10:25 AM
oh and dont misunderstand me as far as english useage either, lol. I have no issues with someone who English is not their native language, lol and therefore has trouble using it in context :wink: I just ask that people do their best to use it as well as posible. Especially those who DID grow up using itbigsmile

MsCarmen's photo
Mon 06/09/08 11:02 AM
Here is a website I found regarding the statutes of spanking in each state. And it seems alot of them view spanking as a means of valid discipline.

http://kidjacked.com/legal/spanking_law.asp

Actually, I found the whole site to be very interesting.

Winx's photo
Mon 06/09/08 11:20 AM
Edited by Winx on Mon 06/09/08 11:39 AM






I whole heartedly disagree, That judge should be dis-barred and thrown in prison, A judge is not to be implimenting his own personal beliefs from the bench, that is not what that position is 4!! I dont see much difference between that judge orcastrating the physical abuse of that child and Warren Jeffs Orcastrating the sexual abuse of those young girls. They both have no place in this free world


I dont know about Oklahoma, where you are from, but I can telly ou that in michigan, spanking is not abuse, and that is court declared. So please, you may feel spanking is abuse, but by law (again different states, different laws) spanking is not abuse. So do nto state it is definitevely abuse.


In my house, spanking is abuse.


Your house does not decide the law.


It's the law in my house.:wink:


no it is the rule in your house. you can argue all you want, and you can say anything you want, like (as an example) the law in my house is that nobody can come in even with a search warrant (tyring to sound ridiculous here, yes). But you know as well as I do, that if a cop showed up with a search warrant (not saying he would in your case), then no matter what you claim was law in your house, it would not matter.
Rules are not laws. Some people may treat them as such, but they are not laws.
Laws if not followed can mean jail time, etc. Rules not followed will never mean jail time etc.


Sheesh, Daniel, get a grip. You take things to such an extreme.

I still say there is the rule/law of no spanking in my house. You are spliting hairs with what I said with a wink and are running with it.

My grandmother had a saying. "Pa is boss as everyone knows, but what ma says always goes." I sure miss that lady's humor.


Winx's photo
Mon 06/09/08 11:27 AM
Edited by Winx on Mon 06/09/08 11:29 AM


It's the law in my house.:wink:


no it is the rule[/b[] in your house. you can argue all you want, and you can say anything you want, like (as an example) the law in my house is that nobody can come in even with a search warrant (tyring to sound ridiculous here, yes). But you know as well as I do, that if a cop showed up with a search warrant (not saying he would in your case), then no matter what you claim was law in your house, it would not matter.
Rules are not laws. Some people may treat them as such, but they are not laws.
Laws if not followed can mean jail time, etc. Rules not followed will never mean jail time etc.

Daniel, why are you so defensive and combative, if she wants it to be a law in her house, who are you to say otherwise?




Who I am is someone who hates how people today think they are the law, and that hey have authority when they dont. And the statement "it is law in my house" dictates that they feel they are a legal authority in society, when they are anything but (as afr as I am aware).

The problem is not that I am defensive and combative. The problem is her way in choosing how to represent herself and hwo to talk/respond to others.
You come at me, for example and state you are the "law", and I ma likely to show you just how much "law" you have.

Now, I agree that in her house, her rules apply. That is only right. Please do not misunderstand me there. I do not mean to suggest that she is being intentionally antagonistic, either. But I have a very big issue with proper communication between people, as 9 out of 10 times, most misunderstandings come from miscommunication. All I ask is that someone use proper (and I don't mean grammatically correct either, lol; heaven knows I don't use it) English as much as possible.
Use the proper words for what you are saying. That wya if there is a misunderstanding it is not because you meant one thign and said another, like so many people today do.


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Where on earth did I give the impression that I thought that I was the legal authority in society?laugh

This is my comment - It's the law in my house.:wink:

I find it unusual that you would hate that. It even has a wink.

I communicated quite properly my feelings on the issue of how my child is treated my me. I don't understand your confusion.


Winx's photo
Mon 06/09/08 11:31 AM

Here is a website I found regarding the statutes of spanking in each state. And it seems alot of them view spanking as a means of valid discipline.

http://kidjacked.com/legal/spanking_law.asp

Actually, I found the whole site to be very interesting.


Wow. That is interesting. Thanks.flowerforyou

guyguy1225's photo
Mon 06/09/08 11:57 AM
I believe spanking is a tool for the toddlers ....however I don't believe in physical punishment....spanking a teenager could be considered sexual abuse in some courts.......just because he gave them a choice does not make it rightnoway noway

Fanta46's photo
Mon 06/09/08 11:59 AM
Makes me wonder if the judge was a pervert!

guyguy1225's photo
Mon 06/09/08 12:01 PM


It's the law in my house.:wink:


no it is the rule[/b[] in your house. you can argue all you want, and you can say anything you want, like (as an example) the law in my house is that nobody can come in even with a search warrant (tyring to sound ridiculous here, yes). But you know as well as I do, that if a cop showed up with a search warrant (not saying he would in your case), then no matter what you claim was law in your house, it would not matter.
Rules are not laws. Some people may treat them as such, but they are not laws.
Laws if not followed can mean jail time, etc. Rules not followed will never mean jail time etc.

Daniel, why are you so defensive and combative, if she wants it to be a law in her house, who are you to say otherwise?




Who I am is someone who hates how people today think they are the law, and that hey have authority when they dont. And the statement "it is law in my house" dictates that they feel they are a legal authority in society, when they are anything but (as afr as I am aware).

The problem is not that I am defensive and combative. The problem is her way in choosing how to represent herself and hwo to talk/respond to others.
You come at me, for example and state you are the "law", and I ma likely to show you just how much "law" you have.

Now, I agree that in her house, her rules apply. That is only right. Please do not misunderstand me there. I do not mean to suggest that she is being intentionally antagonistic, either. But I have a very big issue with proper communication between people, as 9 out of 10 times, most misunderstandings come from miscommunication. All I ask is that someone use proper (and I don't mean grammatically correct either, lol; heaven knows I don't use it) English as much as possible.
Use the proper words for what you are saying. That wya if there is a misunderstanding it is not because you meant one thign and said another, like so many people today do.
huh get a grip dude ...every one knows what she meant!!

guyguy1225's photo
Mon 06/09/08 12:04 PM

Makes me wonder if the judge was a pervert!
he could be a nd gets his rock off seeing spanking in his court...or just a really old fashioned..I won't judge the judgelaugh laugh

Fanta46's photo
Mon 06/09/08 12:13 PM
Id have had a few words with that judge, and then refused to pay him jack just for dictating to me how to punish my child.

How dare a judge tell someone how to punish their child, and then order them to do it in public. Thats mental anquish, esp to a teenager.

Winx's photo
Mon 06/09/08 12:14 PM



It's the law in my house.:wink:


no it is the rule[/b[] in your house. you can argue all you want, and you can say anything you want, like (as an example) the law in my house is that nobody can come in even with a search warrant (tyring to sound ridiculous here, yes). But you know as well as I do, that if a cop showed up with a search warrant (not saying he would in your case), then no matter what you claim was law in your house, it would not matter.
Rules are not laws. Some people may treat them as such, but they are not laws.
Laws if not followed can mean jail time, etc. Rules not followed will never mean jail time etc.

Daniel, why are you so defensive and combative, if she wants it to be a law in her house, who are you to say otherwise?




Who I am is someone who hates how people today think they are the law, and that hey have authority when they dont. And the statement "it is law in my house" dictates that they feel they are a legal authority in society, when they are anything but (as afr as I am aware).

The problem is not that I am defensive and combative. The problem is her way in choosing how to represent herself and hwo to talk/respond to others.
You come at me, for example and state you are the "law", and I ma likely to show you just how much "law" you have.

Now, I agree that in her house, her rules apply. That is only right. Please do not misunderstand me there. I do not mean to suggest that she is being intentionally antagonistic, either. But I have a very big issue with proper communication between people, as 9 out of 10 times, most misunderstandings come from miscommunication. All I ask is that someone use proper (and I don't mean grammatically correct either, lol; heaven knows I don't use it) English as much as possible.
Use the proper words for what you are saying. That wya if there is a misunderstanding it is not because you meant one thign and said another, like so many people today do.
huh get a grip dude ...every one knows what she meant!!


You would think so.laugh flowerforyou

Winx's photo
Mon 06/09/08 12:15 PM
Edited by Winx on Mon 06/09/08 12:16 PM
Hmmm...the quotes are not working properly today.


guyguy1225's photo
Mon 06/09/08 12:17 PM

Hmmm...the quotes are not working properly today.


drinker drinker

Winx's photo
Mon 06/09/08 12:17 PM

Id have had a few words with that judge, and then refused to pay him jack just for dictating to me how to punish my child.

How dare a judge tell someone how to punish their child, and then order them to do it in public. Thats mental anquish, esp to a teenager.


It is such a degrading thing. That judge was out of line, IMO.
He needs to be reported.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 06/09/08 12:26 PM


Id have had a few words with that judge, and then refused to pay him jack just for dictating to me how to punish my child.

How dare a judge tell someone how to punish their child, and then order them to do it in public. Thats mental anquish, esp to a teenager.


It is such a degrading thing. That judge was out of line, IMO.
He needs to be reported.


Id have laid the law down to him.grumble
In his housedrinker