Topic: ????yes or no 2 abortions????
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Sat 05/31/08 03:44 PM

I don't have a problem with choice, I have a problem with a forced decision dictated by someone who has never and will never be in the same position...everyday congress goes through stupid laws being written by people that look in from the outside and dictate what is "right" and "wrong" with the ink of a pen...that my friends is not right.


i agree, no one should be forced into anything. i wasnt pressured to have the baby if I WAS, luckily i wasnt.

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Sat 05/31/08 03:51 PM
Just to make myself totally clear.

I do not agree with ones doing it for a form of Birth Control.

Nor due to the parents forcing there underage daughter having one due to she ended up pregnant either. Cause they don't want it to interfere with there life of having to raise the baby.

What I'm saying is the choice should be there and at times the different situations should be given consideration.

But in reality we all have our opinions of why and I do respect that.

I just think some cases should be looked at with less judgment. And also consider the situation involved. It is hard enough having a baby and carrying it 9 months when we are in our 20's and wanted to get pregnant. Then it is for a 10 year to go through all this and mental can not deal with it. JMO



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Sat 05/31/08 03:55 PM

I think people should have the choice to decide for themselves.

I think its a personal decision.

Freedom is paramount.

JB


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Sat 05/31/08 03:56 PM


I think people should have the choice to decide for themselves.

I think its a personal decision.

Freedom is paramount.

JB


Yup..I agree.

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Sat 05/31/08 03:56 PM
exactly, its a personal choice!drinker :wink:

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Sat 05/31/08 03:58 PM
For obvious reasons I'll never have an abortion myself, but I do have 3 family members that have had abortions for medical reasons. They were all AGAINST abortions until they had to make the choice. Sometimes it's not all black and white. They were given the choice of the baby or themselves.

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Sat 05/31/08 04:06 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Sat 05/31/08 04:06 PM

I do understand the heartache of those that can not have children. My ex brother in-law and his wife could not conceive and ended up adopting a boy.

But in reality your talking about two different situations.

There are many reasons that we can come up why one should not.

And only a few that some will say they should not.

So should a 10 year old girl that was raped by her father and ended up pregnant have to carry the baby to give it up. And go through all the hardships that they will be put through. Having friends belittle them and with the thought of others putting them down or saying they deserved it or lead the man on.

With the chance of totally messing her up mentally for the rest of her life that could even lead her to suicide all due to because she could not deal with this reality that was forced upon her.

Can you honesty say that option should not be there.

Or another case what if the woman has cancer and told if she carries the child full term there is nothing they will be able to do for her and she will die.

Yes I do know for a fact these type of cases happen all the time.

As far as the one that can't have one they do still have and option of adoption.



I think you're missing the point of what Debbie was getting at before. There are women (such as herself), who would do anything, I mean anything to have a child, but for whatever reason they can't, or the odds are highly against it.

Then you have those who can and do get pregnant, and they just throw it away, like it's nothing.

Bottom line is this, to be able to physically have kids is a blessing and a privelage, a gift, one not everyone can share in. It should be embraced, not seen as some bad, terrible thing that needs "fixing".

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Sat 05/31/08 04:07 PM


I do understand the heartache of those that can not have children. My ex brother in-law and his wife could not conceive and ended up adopting a boy.

But in reality your talking about two different situations.

There are many reasons that we can come up why one should not.

And only a few that some will say they should not.

So should a 10 year old girl that was raped by her father and ended up pregnant have to carry the baby to give it up. And go through all the hardships that they will be put through. Having friends belittle them and with the thought of others putting them down or saying they deserved it or lead the man on.

With the chance of totally messing her up mentally for the rest of her life that could even lead her to suicide all due to because she could not deal with this reality that was forced upon her.

Can you honesty say that option should not be there.

Or another case what if the woman has cancer and told if she carries the child full term there is nothing they will be able to do for her and she will die.

Yes I do know for a fact these type of cases happen all the time.

As far as the one that can't have one they do still have and option of adoption.



I think you're missing the point of what Debbie was getting at before. There are women (such as herself), who would do anything, I mean anything to have a child, but for whatever reason they can't, or the odds are highly against it.

Then you have those who can and do get pregnant, and they just throw it away, like it's nothing.

Bottom line is this, to be able to physically have kids is a blessing and a privelage, a gift, one not everyone can share in. It should be embraced, not seen as some bad, terrible thing that needs "fixing".


thankyou. flowerforyou

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Sat 05/31/08 04:10 PM
Anytime Deb. :smile: flowerforyou

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Sat 05/31/08 04:16 PM

I think you're missing the point of what Debbie was getting at before. There are women (such as herself), who would do anything, I mean anything to have a child, but for whatever reason they can't, or the odds are highly against it.

Then you have those who can and do get pregnant, and they just throw it away, like it's nothing.

Bottom line is this, to be able to physically have kids is a blessing and a privelage, a gift, one not everyone can share in. It should be embraced, not seen as some bad, terrible thing that needs "fixing".


Regardless of the circumstances of people who can't have children, don't want children, or what ever... it should still be a personal choice.

I don't think people like to be told what they "should or should not" do in a situation like that.

If people would get more practical they could offer to pay the pregnant girl to continue the pregnancy and give up the child. That is, after all, nine months out of her life. But people are too afraid of it turning into a baby mill, as it well could do. Girls might get pregnant for the purpose of selling their babies.

But what would be wrong with professional surrogate mothers? I read about one woman who had a baby every year. She had about ten of her own and gave about three up for adoption to childless parents simply because she did not want any more children to raise and she did not believe in abortion or birth control.

But I still think it should be a personal choice.

JB

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Sat 05/31/08 04:16 PM



I think people should have the choice to decide for themselves.

I think its a personal decision.

Freedom is paramount.

JB


Yup..I agree.


Agreed, 'tis not something an 'authority' should decide, but
Heading for trouble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
shouldn't both involved and affected adult parties have at least a voice?
just askin'

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Sat 05/31/08 04:17 PM


I do understand the heartache of those that can not have children. My ex brother in-law and his wife could not conceive and ended up adopting a boy.

But in reality your talking about two different situations.

There are many reasons that we can come up why one should not.

And only a few that some will say they should not.

So should a 10 year old girl that was raped by her father and ended up pregnant have to carry the baby to give it up. And go through all the hardships that they will be put through. Having friends belittle them and with the thought of others putting them down or saying they deserved it or lead the man on.

With the chance of totally messing her up mentally for the rest of her life that could even lead her to suicide all due to because she could not deal with this reality that was forced upon her.

Can you honesty say that option should not be there.

Or another case what if the woman has cancer and told if she carries the child full term there is nothing they will be able to do for her and she will die.

Yes I do know for a fact these type of cases happen all the time.

As far as the one that can't have one they do still have and option of adoption.



I think you're missing the point of what Debbie was getting at before. There are women (such as herself), who would do anything, I mean anything to have a child, but for whatever reason they can't, or the odds are highly against it.

Then you have those who can and do get pregnant, and they just throw it away, like it's nothing.

Bottom line is this, to be able to physically have kids is a blessing and a privelage, a gift, one not everyone can share in. It should be embraced, not seen as some bad, terrible thing that needs "fixing".


Im sorry for women who are unable to have children, but because they are unable to see things objectively they should remove themselves from the debate, they have no choice, but do not have the right to impose the same limitations on other women.

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Sat 05/31/08 04:18 PM



I do understand the heartache of those that can not have children. My ex brother in-law and his wife could not conceive and ended up adopting a boy.

But in reality your talking about two different situations.

There are many reasons that we can come up why one should not.

And only a few that some will say they should not.

So should a 10 year old girl that was raped by her father and ended up pregnant have to carry the baby to give it up. And go through all the hardships that they will be put through. Having friends belittle them and with the thought of others putting them down or saying they deserved it or lead the man on.

With the chance of totally messing her up mentally for the rest of her life that could even lead her to suicide all due to because she could not deal with this reality that was forced upon her.

Can you honesty say that option should not be there.

Or another case what if the woman has cancer and told if she carries the child full term there is nothing they will be able to do for her and she will die.

Yes I do know for a fact these type of cases happen all the time.

As far as the one that can't have one they do still have and option of adoption.



I think you're missing the point of what Debbie was getting at before. There are women (such as herself), who would do anything, I mean anything to have a child, but for whatever reason they can't, or the odds are highly against it.

Then you have those who can and do get pregnant, and they just throw it away, like it's nothing.

Bottom line is this, to be able to physically have kids is a blessing and a privelage, a gift, one not everyone can share in. It should be embraced, not seen as some bad, terrible thing that needs "fixing".


Im sorry for women who are unable to have children, but because they are unable to see things objectively they should remove themselves from the debate, they have no choice, but do not have the right to impose the same limitations on other women.


if you look at my posts i wasnt imposing. people have rights to opinions regardless. he was pointing out one of my comments may have been over looked, thats all

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Sat 05/31/08 04:20 PM




I think people should have the choice to decide for themselves.

I think its a personal decision.

Freedom is paramount.

JB


Yup..I agree.


Agreed, 'tis not something an 'authority' should decide, but
Heading for trouble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
shouldn't both involved and affected adult parties have at least a voice?
just askin'


If you are suggesting that the man has a say in it... I would say no. He can't force her to abort, nor could he force her to bare the child. That's just wrong. bigsmile

JB

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Sat 05/31/08 06:43 PM
women are not incubators mad ...as long as men continue to believe they have the right to dictate what we can or cant do with our bodies then we continue to live under that 2nd class/property status that women have been battling against for centuries.

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Sat 05/31/08 06:44 PM
I vote NO for abortions

baby_gurl's photo
Sat 05/31/08 06:45 PM
i would have to say no!

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Sat 05/31/08 06:46 PM

I vote NO for abortions

Do you allow for exceptions-like medical ?

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Sat 05/31/08 06:46 PM

women are not incubators mad ...as long as men continue to believe they have the right to dictate what we can or cant do with our bodies then we continue to live under that 2nd class/property status that women have been battling against for centuries.


if there was a couple, the man does have a right to express is opinion in whether he wants the baby or not, but in the end, it boils down to the female in what she wants she gets. which isnt fair really. its is baby to.

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Sat 05/31/08 06:46 PM
It depends upon the situation. I think you need to have a choice. What if it was a rape??