Hay silent water.
Go check out "KURT SAXONS PREPAIRDNESS PAGES"
He has the figures of how much aid was sent 2 sodomearabia land
befor and after 9/11.
Yea, not we but our fearless leaders send the aid and grain 2 other countries that wont even help themselves. But people here are turning 'one third' of our grain into ethonel gas 2 get government subsidies, thay dont seem 2 care that thay are setting every one up including themselves 4 starvation,
Anyone dont think they should eat meat? thay will eat anything thay can then, People ate dirt and grass in russia.
MR. saxon also talks about Hunger in america, I think every one should read that one.
Hay zaper, We didnt have a bumper crop this year, it acually failed in a lot of places, No bumber last year either, Africa is not all sand dunes, That area has good well capibility,
There is something wrong there that the people dont use what thay have.

ok...this is religion chat...not political...please keep it to that

i guess the word I should have used was spiritual not religious beliefs huh? would that encompass everything???

Dont tell me what 2 do.

Do you believe that life here on Earth, began out there in the universe?

seth...you really don't want to go there. but read the rules of the forums

i am always impressed when people that don't know a thing about farming or the agricultural industry in general will blurt out their educated(?!?)ideas for solutions to problems that don't exist. Let's talk open heart surgery or tissue augmentation eh? Topics that are a bit less heady than farming.

Uh, she is the OP. U R da cha tee.

I say, use what God has provided for us, whether it be meat, plants, trees. But, let us not use more than we need.

God gave animals a way to replenish themselves, by giving them a reproductive system. And so, he did for the plants as well by giving them seeds to grow the following Spring. I think Humans, insects, trees, plants, animals, etc. are all required to keep the world harmonically balanced.

I hunt, but it's not fair to stereotype the hunter. While killing the monster buck may be the talk, that is not always the case. I've seen many deer on the stand, but rarely shoot anything. Yet I've never regretted going. You see the time I spend alone in the woods meditating or whatever is totally worth the trip. However, should I choose to kill, it would be for food purposes only. When we talk about animals, plants and nature, friend that's closer to reality than anything you could find on a city street.

Not everyone was meant to be the hunter. I thank God everyday for the gift of free will to chose my own path. I also pray, that my will and His will are harmonically balanced.

I am a farmer, untill a year ago agricultur was my profeshion, and i lived in the heart of grain country.
The fact that i stated are available from gov. agencies.

Good point thomas

Do U have a funny bone? I cant seem 2 find it.
Conversations change, something reminds someone of something, U should know how it goes.

Thank you Yellowrose. Best wishes on your quest!

Goodnight

Nite all! Nite Kim, great post.

not sure where you think i don't have a sense of humor. conversations do change but it should follow the topic and the OP should keep it on track. you can start a polictical thread if you want and i might join you since i go in there alot. but this is religion, here is a hint though...if you are joking then a least put lol in the post. but i started this topic to discuss the topic

I'm not religious, but I do consider myself spiritual in nature. I will only kill an animal for self-preservation - to survive - if that animal has selected me as prey, or I have selected it, or it endangers my environment in some way. I believe that sport killing is inherently wrong. All living things serve a purpose. Some animals, and plants as well, are obviously here, primarily, to be utilized as food. Some are here to be part of the control process (predators, scavengers); others perform more aesthetic roles.
In addition, any of these creatures can also be selected as a companion; one of the great paradoxes of mankind.
The general rule seems to be, the more intelligent and/or the more similar to us, the less likely we are to consider them as a food source.
Plants scream, by the way, when they are injured. We just can't hear them.

Did u get an answer 2 ur question? GOD made life because GOD wanted 2, Mankind was 2 have domain over the animals, Mankind sinned and messed it up, GOD had 2 change thinge 2 compinsate.

ty lordling...well said

yw thomas

nite zappy

seth...it really wasn't for my benefit. i know what i believe....i was curious at what others believe...but ty for asking

Believe it or not I do take this question quiet seriously because the line between animal and plant life really is a manmade classification.

However, my own personal distinction comes down to the idea, of obvious consciousness, and obvious discomfort or stress. Plants don’t seem to mind being grown in gardens. Ripe fruit normally falls from plants anyway shortly after it has become ripe. So eating fruit from fruit bearing plants would be like drinking milk from milk cow. It doesn’t necessarily cause the animal any harm.

Root crops are another matter. We should have funeral services for carrots, beets, and potatoes when we eat them.

Seriously though, I just don’t see plants as being highly enough evolved to even know what’s going on. I don’t believe that plants even have a notion of self. But I think that animals do. At least the more highly evolved ones that we typically eat for food.

I’m personally not morally against eating animals. I’m much more concerned with how they are raised and kept before we eat them (that’s not really an issue for hunting). That’s more of an issue for commercial animal food. And I don’t even really have a problem with that if they animals are raised in a truly comfortable and pleasing environment. Unfortunately that’s not the case for many commercially raised animals. Many of them are raised in very small cages or stalls and spend their entire lives in that situation until they are harvested for food. I do have moral problems with that kind of inhumane treatment.

I used to raise and eat chickens myself. But my chickens were free to roam. They were quite comfortable and happy during their lives as far as I could tell. They never tried to run off even though they were free to range, and I didn’t even need to chase them to harvest them. They would come right to me without a problem.

I justify it by looking at it this way,… if I wasn’t a meat eater, I wouldn’t have been raising chickens. So in a very real sense I’m giving them an opportunity for at least a short well-cared for life. As far as I’m concerned that’s better than no life at all.

From my point of view if vegans had their way then no one would raise chickens. So instead of them getting a short life and ending up as food, they would get no chance at life at all.

From that point of view being a meat eater actually gives the animals at lease some opportunity to life.

Like I say, it’s a complex issue.

As far as hunting is concerned. I just don’t see the thrill in the kill. To me that just seems weird that people would actually enjoy hunting just so they can kill something. It also doesn’t seem like much of a sport considering that the animal is totally unarmed, and totally unaware that someone is going to shoot it from a hundred yards away with a high-powered rifle with a 15x scope on it.

Where’s the thrill in that?

Now if you go out and hunt a deer with your bear hands I might be impressed.