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depending on which translation you are using Provers 13:24 means the same
The message- 24 A refusal to correct is a refusal to love; love your children by disciplining them. NIV 24 He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him. New Living translation 24 Those who spare the rod of discipline hate their children. Those who love their children care enough to discipline them. Todays NIV 24 Those who spare the rod hate their children, but those who love them are careful to discipline them. Arabic Life Application bible 24 مَنْ كَفَّ عَنْ تَأْدِيبِ ابْنِهِ يَمْقُتُهُ، وَمَنْ يُحِبُّ ابْنَهُ يَسْعَى إِلَى تَأْدِيبِهِ. As you can see the main theme of this verse, no matter which version you read, is that to not do any discipline is to not show any love. As far as what works for your child will work for your child. This thread keeps going on and on with the same thing. If you truly believe your side to be right make an argument for the other side. Are there any real benefits. what do studies show. It might amaze you what is found out. Did you know long term effects vary depending on race? Take a look. the studies are there. Just to give you a hint. Physical punishment affects whites more than it affects minorities. If you want the studies i will see if i can find them otherwise just do an advance search in google "long term effects of spanking" only search *.org sites (reputable sites for studies end in .org or .edu) |
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so just a question would a taser be considered a non-violent punishment, jk but you know there is at least one person thought that it should be.
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my reason for abondoning god
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I went to war and saw many people die cause of you maniacs Religion has been traditionally the biggest cause of war in human history. Religion is not to blame for the interpretations of the human. Religion(s) are a wellspring from god... Mankind simply twists them because of its 'visual' of god. I don't think all religions are a wellspring from God. There are a lot of sick and twisted religions out there. here are a couple of them http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/ canabilism, suicide, abortion, sodomy http://csp.org/nicholas/A58.html psychedelic use is encouraged and part of enlightenment http://www.jedichurch.org/ church based on jedi teaching from star wars http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/ just gotta read this one, love that spaghetti, lol |
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The first issue I have is why give your whole heart out there to be heart. You should guard your heart at first releasing only some at a time. The second so what if the cards show you will have failure. you know what the cards are not always right. in fact they often are wrong. Even if you do experience failure, learn from it. Use that lesson to help you the next time around. I have learned more in my life from failing then any success I ever had.
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okay i am late to this post but for those of you who were wondering about hell. the Old Testament does mention hell. it is written in Hebrew with the term Sheol. When translated into Greek it is the same as Hades. The terms are interchangeable. Also if I remember correctly that the Bible was written in 3 different languages, Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol |
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The First Commandment!
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The first commandment from god that I found in the bible... ... Multiply and fill the earth. We have done that... Of this there is no denying... (6 billion and growing)... We have fullfilled THAT commandment. Whats NEXT god! 
It can be argued that Genesis 2:16-17 was the first commandment given to man. "16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." As genesis 2 is a more detailed account of the creation of Adam and Eve. The commandment he gave to not eat of the tree of knowledge was before eve was created therefore the commandment to go forth and multiply would be the second commandment. Either way the go forth and multiply seems to be the one commandment no one has a problem following. |
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my reason for abondoning god
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I've studied many of the world's religions recently, from Ancient Egypt, Christianity, Kabbalah, (Need to study that one a bit longer as 40 years of study just scratches the surface.) Islam, Hindu, Shinto, I Ching, Taoism, Ancient Greek and Roman pantheons, and multiple translations of the Bible, and many other sacred texts. As far as this topic, everyone and everything that is, is proof of God. You just need to step back, and take in the whole picture in order to hope to comprehend something as vast, far away, and close as God. You are right to believe in yourself though, as each human has within them the spark of divinity. Indeed we not only have a link to God within each of us, but we also through him, have a link to everything. 40 years of study? How long have you been studying kabbalah? your profile says you are 30? Confused there. Typo? I meant that for one to really learn Qabbalah, it takes upwards of 40 years of study. I have only been studying the occult for 25 years. oh ok that makes sense |
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it appears the texts he is reading are Jewish sacred texts that are not included in the bible. Remember the Old Testament is only one set of Jewish sacred texts. For more information i read the section on sacred texts of the bible. There are other texts that have been used in the past that are no longer used. http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/
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Holy where's the love???
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confusion....constant confusion, lol
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seriously, What do men want?
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IS it that they want their women to have implants ?! OR Botox? What is the real Scoop, Men? 
Each man is different as to their own individual desires. What one needs the other might not need. You want to satisfy him show him how to meet your needs. Each guy is gifted in one way or another. The more of your needs that he can meet the happier he is. With that said the more you nit pick and complain and complain he will start to look else where not because he has a desire to cheat but because he will feel that he will never be able to meet your needs. Honest and trustworthy men often will end a relationship prior to starting this. But unfortunately a lot of people are not honest and trustworthy. So to sum it up to meet your needs is one of the main desire of any man. Most issues they have revolve around this. |
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my reason for abondoning god
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I've studied many of the world's religions recently, from Ancient Egypt, Christianity, Kabbalah, (Need to study that one a bit longer as 40 years of study just scratches the surface.) Islam, Hindu, Shinto, I Ching, Taoism, Ancient Greek and Roman pantheons, and multiple translations of the Bible, and many other sacred texts. As far as this topic, everyone and everything that is, is proof of God. You just need to step back, and take in the whole picture in order to hope to comprehend something as vast, far away, and close as God. You are right to believe in yourself though, as each human has within them the spark of divinity. Indeed we not only have a link to God within each of us, but we also through him, have a link to everything. 40 years of study? How long have you been studying kabbalah? your profile says you are 30? Confused there. Typo? |
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for those of you who say that kids who do not get spanked turn out great did you not read the first post that started this thread? It has fallen off now. but it was startd by a member who was complaining that she wished her parents had spanked her more often because then she would not be as messed up now. they did all the non-violent discipline ways. yet to her this was not love.
Each child is different in the way they see love and discipline. Some children honestly see love in spanking. As odd as this may seam the act of physical touch whether it is in discipline or in hugging can impact some children more than anything else. Now others they may be more impacted from a timeout because time with you they value so much more. Pay attention to your kids and see how they respond to love. For you who are not aware of this each of us speaks love in a different way. A good way to find out how your child speaks love is a book called "the 5 love languages" by gary chapman. he has a version for children and teens. By knowing how your child communicates love you can often discipline in a more effective manor. Think about it if your child shows loves by gifts then by taking away rewards and gifts you have given them they respond dramitically. Whereas that same child may not be affected by a time out or spanking at all. What it all comes down to is pay attention to your children only then will you discover what works best for them and can properly discipline and guide them. Then you can help them avoid all the stupid miakes that you have made. after all is this not your primary job as a parent? |
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my reason for abondoning god
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The church is within you - Jesus
What it seems like you are confused about what is religion and what isn't. You think religion is what you see in the TV or hear in the news. You think, religion means you gotta dress up in a specific way and perform specific ceremonies in a specific place and you gotta read a specific book. My best suggestion is to educate yourself more. 
There is shame in nakedness. If you think about it, if we all walked around naked, we'd be so preoccupied with sex that we would break the very laws and morals that we stand to preserve. It would literally be Sodom and Gomorrah and Ancient Rome all over again. And at the present time we are not far from it.  Shame? Surely there is more to it than such a base emotion, an emotion that straight away points to the fact that we are feeling guilty for something....
Hey, isn't Rome the seat of some kind of holy power?
To address your first question you should read this article. http://doesthebiblecondonenudism.blogspot.com/2007/11/does-bible-condone-nudism.html As for the second part yes Rome is the seat of the catholic church one of the major christian denominations. He was referring to the Rome of the past. Because of Rome is why Easter bunny is around at Easter. Here is a short paraphrased version of what happened. During Easter Romans would celebrate the Goddess of fertility. What better way to celebrate the Goddess of fertility the a weekend orgy of all your closest friends. So you would spend a couple weeks having sex with whomever and whenever you wanted. Well during this time you have Christians who are told to abstain from sex. So how do they blend in a community that is very intolerant( i.e death for not conforming)? Have your own party in your home during the same time but celebrate the death of Christ. As time went on celebration of different saints was added to coincide with Roman Gods in order to protect the Christians during this time. So to wrap up plan an authentic Easter next year. Anyone game? jk 
...like where exactly does the shame come from? Is it merely a biochemical reaction from the release of a hormone? Or is it really coming from US...is it really our soul, spirit, what have you, that is radiating emotions. If the latter is true, what other reason is there for us to feel "guilty" about nakedness? here is an article about guilt and shame that may explain it better than i can. http://www.labri.org/england/resources/08042008/DK04_Shame-and-Guilt.pdf |
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I have thought about this subject often over the years. What makes it difficult is there are so many versions of what people consider spanking. And as wide a spectrum of ages for which it is applied. For me spanking is a simple form of relatively mild consequence to be applied soley to the buttocks as an open hand slap. I don't think a weapon should be used because it is just to easy to harm a child by accident. One of my biggest opossitions to corporal punishments being allowed in public schools. I often felt my spankings hurt my hand more than my kid's behinds. Not that it was something they found pleasant but was swift and just. When it is not over used. or used just to satisfy the frusteration or anger of the person giving the spanking it is effective. It should not terrorize, injure, or humiliate the person being spanked. I also do not agree that it teaches children to hit or be out of control because at least when I spanked it was often done after taking them to a segregated area. I do believe that many times it is the parents that need to be spanked for poor parenting. An over tired, sick, stressed, hungry, sunburned child in a dirty diaper that is encouraged to show off or perform beyond their skill level can hardly be faulted for poor behavior. Especially when they are mimicing bad behavior of their parents, older siblings, coaches, teachers and behavior that they seen constantly on TV. Chilren learn what they live. I often found catching my kids being good and praise worked much better than disciplene. While my kids could pretty clearly tell you what they would get spanked for I was never a big proponent of useing guilt's or or lectures that younger children really don't understand. It is my belief if you get a child on the right path as a preschooler elementary age child spankings should not be needed much past then. It sounds like you are more concerned with the lifetimne success as opposed to their feeelings getting hurt. I applaud you. Very few people look at the overall picture. Often we are so afraid to let our children get their feelings hurt we have sisified them. You know what being hurt has taught me more then anything else. I have learned more from the failures in my life then i could have ever imagined. Had my road been padded for me i would never have learned the valuable life lessons that i have. also i disagree with lectures of kids. I think it is in the way we talk to them. When we lecture them in a way they can relate to they understand it better and it raises their respect for us. then in the future they will remember the lessons we have taught them and be able to apply them to other situations. |
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my reason for abondoning god
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The church is within you - Jesus
What it seems like you are confused about what is religion and what isn't. You think religion is what you see in the TV or hear in the news. You think, religion means you gotta dress up in a specific way and perform specific ceremonies in a specific place and you gotta read a specific book. My best suggestion is to educate yourself more.
The clothes, yeah, I don't get those either. Why don't all people who believe that God made them walk around naked? If they truly believe "God don't make no junk", why don't they be proud of what God gave them and want to show it off? There is shame in nakedness. If you think about it, if we all walked around naked, we'd be so preoccupied with sex that we would break the very laws and morals that we stand to preserve. It would literally be Sodom and Gomorrah and Ancient Rome all over again. And at the present time we are not far from it. Shame? Surely there is more to it than such a base emotion, an emotion that straight away points to the fact that we are feeling guilty for something....
Hey, isn't Rome the seat of some kind of holy power?
To address your first question you should read this article. http://doesthebiblecondonenudism.blogspot.com/2007/11/does-bible-condone-nudism.html As for the second part yes Rome is the seat of the catholic church one of the major christian denominations. He was referring to the Rome of the past. Because of Rome is why Easter bunny is around at Easter. Here is a short paraphrased version of what happened. During Easter Romans would celebrate the Goddess of fertility. What better way to celebrate the Goddess of fertility the a weekend orgy of all your closest friends. So you would spend a couple weeks having sex with whomever and whenever you wanted. Well during this time you have Christians who are told to abstain from sex. So how do they blend in a community that is very intolerant( i.e death for not conforming)? Have your own party in your home during the same time but celebrate the death of Christ. As time went on celebration of different saints was added to coincide with Roman Gods in order to protect the Christians during this time. So to wrap up plan an authentic Easter next year. Anyone game? jk |
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just a question what would be worse spanking a child or using psychological abuse as a form a punishment? which would have worse of a long term effect? me personally if that was the two options i would rather have the physical. what about anyone else?
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Computer Problems, Help!!!
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msconfig fixes 94 percent of all computer problems. The only question I have is why msconfig has a startup tab. Windows allows you to put stuff in the startup folder; so why is there a startup tab in the ms configuratore? If you put something in the startup folder that already starts in the configuratore, wouldn't that just cause problems? i do not think it would cause a conflict. it really depends on how the software was written. usually any program that would cause a problem because of two copies running have a check built in that will not allow a second copy to start if one is already running. |
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please note: saying that i do not believe in corporal punishment (or any type of punishment) is NOT the same as saying i don't believe in discipline. discipline is critical, and children thrive when they know what to expect. i believe in rules, and clear expectations. consequences, positive and negative...structure...and the right to free thought. right i agree that children thrive when they know what to expect. Some children thrive when they know they will receive corporal punishment when they step out of line. others don't. Each child is different and will respond differently. The point i was making even if you do not believe in physical discipline when you have a defiant child it will eventually come to physical confrontation. It may not be by you. could be by the police. could even be by neighborhood kids. it is the way society works. when people refuse to follow rules we will attempt to force them to comply. This usually begins with a physical confrontation. |
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I applaud all parents that have found ways to punish their child without spanking, but that doesn't work for all children. I know time-outs didn't work with me or my sisters, but my mom also didn't get spanked very often. For the most part I was good, I had my moments but generally I was ok. With my youngest sister I got tired of hearing the "she hasn't had her medication" or "her sister put her up to it". For most of her chilhood she never had to take responsibility for her actions. It was always someone elses fault or her meds. I love my sister but there are days when she makes me nuts. Please don't take it the wrong way, I'm not saying that spanking is the only acceptable punishment, but it's also not the worst punishment. As for the rape scenario, if my kid did that, spanking would not suffice. The law would be called and he/she would get the proper punishment. one thing would be interesting to know is what type of punishment did this child receive to cause so much pain at a young age. i could see it go either way. I have dealt with kids who were spanked or worse at a drop of a hat. at the same time others who never had any discipline. I think finding what works for each child. Often those who judge other people forget that each child is different. I am reminded of a case i think it was on 20/20 but i might be wrong on that, where a foster parent beat a child to death. wouldn't have been as bad or made as much news if the foster parent wasn't employed by CPS. It is funny that we often can handle our own children with ease but when we try to apply the same techniques to other children they do not always work. Often they can work in the opposite way at first. |
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constant defiant behavior will eventually elicit a physical response. for those of you who do not think so i pose a question for you. You just found out your 10 year old son participated in the rape of a girl. what is your punishment for that? read the article it happens. Just wonder what the correct non-violent punishment would be for this situation. Or do you think we may want a physical punishment. I know there are a lot of people who would agree with physical punishment.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/08/03/20090803liberia0804.html |
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