The NT manuscripts I use are older than the Vulgate.



I am not sure how anyone can determine that since no one can determine when God spoke to Adam.



Christianity is based on Judaism. But who cares which ones are older?

Perhaps there is another explanation as to why some of these religions repeat the same info. Maybe they shared some of this stuff with each other because they all knew it was true.

Let's see. Who knows what happened thousands of years ago? Were any of us there?

God is an invisible Spirit (Jn 4:24; 1Tim 6:16). The Son of God is the visible, tangible embodiment of Deity. Only in Him can we see God. All other images are condemned because they are false and dishonor God (Dt 5:8). All creation was in Him, as the tree and its fruits are found in the seed. In Him God created all else, for the whole universe was created in Him. This includes the celestial as well as the terrestrial spheres and every form of spiritual power and dignity. These exist through Him and for Him and He makes all a unit for the accomplishment of God's purpose.
A. E. Knoch

This is what is known as an idiom. We deal with them all the time when translating languages. We have many of them in English today.

An idiom is...
These combinations of words have (rarely complete sentences) a "figurative meaning" meaning, they basically work with "pictures".
http://www.smart-words.org/quotes-sayings/idioms-meaning.html

Some English Idioms might be...

A Hot Potatoe
Bit off more than you can chew
Burning the midnight oil


If I said, "Meet me in the park by Napolean," this didn't mean literally Napolean, but his statue. In this respect, Jesus Christ is standing in for God.

This is easy enough to prove with...

CLV 1Co 15:25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.

Isn't that what the Catholic church is still doing today?

Do you have a chapter and verse on that? Or are you just making it up as you go along?

The Scriptures tell us God is One, not three or three in one.

Jesus is exactly Who He said He was, the Only begotten Son of God.

Christianity and Judaism both teach that there is only one God. Some may be confused about the instructions He left.

I do agree. However, are you doing what we have been instructed to do?

CLV John 14:12 Verily, verily, I am saying to you, he who is believing in Me, the works which I am doing he also will be doing, and greater than these will he be doing, for I am going to the Father.

Where are the Christians who are doing His works? Healing the sick? Raising the dead?

Or have we fallen into a lul because man's religion tells us it's alright to ignore that part of the Scriptures?

CLV John 3:13 And not one has ascended into heaven except He Who descends out of heaven, the Son of Mankind Who is in heaven.

Are you FROM heaven?

If now, you may find yourself on Earth for awhile.

Judgment is about God setting what is wrong to right

krisis - decision (subjectively or objectively, for or against); by extension, a tribunal; by implication, justice (especially, divine law)

It seems that in an effort to support their Doctrine of Hell the church, the King James version has changed the meanings of several verses from a neutral meaning 'judgment' to 'condemnation' and 'damnation.'

Thus the word 'judgment' itself has become a very unstable word in our language. It has come to mean punishment, not it's original use of a neutral process. The Authorized Version renders the word ' judgment as 'condemnation' and 'damnation' about 13 times.

Take this example from...

AV Dt 1:17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment...

CLV Dt 1:17 You shall not recognize faces with partiality in judgment...

The Authorized version seems a bit more harsh, where a closer rendering encourages a more neutral attitude.

Examples like these are spread throughout the Scriptures.

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Here are examples of how the term 'judgment' got changed into 'damnation'...

CLV Mt 23:33 "Serpents! Progeny of vipers! How may you be fleeing from the judging of Gehenna?

AV Mt 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

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CLV Mk 12:40 who are devouring the homes of widows, and for a pretense are prolix in praying. These will be getting more excessive judgment."

AV Mk 12:40 Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

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CLV Lk 20:47 who are devouring the homes of widows and, for a pretense, are prolix in praying. These will be getting more excessive judgment."

AV Lk 20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

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CLV Jn 5:29 and those who do good shall go out into a resurrection of life, yet those who commit bad things, into a resurrection of judging.

AV Jn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

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CLV Ro 3:8 and why not say, according as we are calumniated and according as any/some are averring that we are saying, that "We should be doing evil that good may be coming?" whose judgment is fair.

AV Ro 3:8 And not [rather], (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

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CLV Ro 13:2 so that he who is resisting an authority has withstood God's mandate. Now those who have withstood, will be getting judgment for themselves,

AV Ro 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

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CLV 1C 11:29 For he who is eating and drinking unworthily is eating and drinking judgment to himself, not discriminating the body of the Lord.

AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

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In many cases, the King James version represents judgment as a past event and damnation as a result.

The judgment of the nations does not begin until Jesus Christ returns. The nations nor individuals have not been judged so there has been no damnation.

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Here are examples of how the term 'judgment' got changed into 'condemnation'...

CLV Luke 23:40 Yet answering, the other one, rebuking him, averred, "Yet you are not fearing God, seeing that you are in the same judgment!

AV Luke 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

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CLV John 3:19 Now this is the judging: that the light has come into the world, and men love the darkness rather than the light, for their acts were wicked.

AV John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

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CLV John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I am saying to you that he who is hearing My word and believing Him Who sends Me, has life eonian and is not coming into judging, but has proceeded out of death into life.

AV John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

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CLV 1Cor 11:34 Now if anyone may be hungry, let him eat in/at home, that you may not be coming together into/for judgment. Now the rest I shall be prescribing as soon as I should be coming.

AV 1Cor 11:34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

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CLV 1Ti 3:6 no novice, lest, being conceited, he should be falling in into the judgment of the Adversary.

AV 1Tim 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

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CLV James 3:1 Not many should become teachers, my brethren, being aware that we shall be getting greater judgment.

AV James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

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CLV James 5:12 Now before all, my brethren, do not be swearing, neither by heaven, nor by the earth, nor any other oath. Now let your "yes" be "yes," and "not" be "not," lest you should be falling under judging.

AV James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

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CLV Jude 1:4 For any/some human/men slip in who long ago have been written beforehand into/for this judgment; irreverent, bartering the grace of our God into/for wantonness, and disowning our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ.

AV Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Again judgment seems to be in the past as condemnation, a result of judging, replaces this process.

Even in the United States, an effort is made to provide a fair and just judgment for it's citizens, even in it's imperfect state. How much more would be God's judgment?

David Harold Stern is a Messianic Jewish born in the US and moved to Israel. This means that he has really no connection with the ancient text himself.

He has an English translation of the Tanakh and New Testament.

The problem is, there is no Ancient Hebrew NT. The oldest NT we have are Ancient Koine Greek, not Hebrew.

From the CJB...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was unformed and void, darkness was on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God hovered over the surface of the water.
3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
4 God saw that the light was good, and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. So there was evening, and there was morning, one day.

Looks alot like the KJV.

But this English version does not fix the problem I outlined. The Earth was not created "unformed and void." Can you describe something that is created "void"?

CLV Jer 4:23 I saw the earth, and behold, it was a chaos and vacant, And ›the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I saw the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, And all the hills, they rocked.
25 I saw, and behold, there was no humanity, And every flier of the heavens, they had bolted away.
26 I saw, and behold, the crop land was a wilderness And all its cities, they were broken down because of Yahweh's presence, Because of the heat of His anger.

CLV 2Pt 3:5 For they want to be oblivious of this, that there were heavens of old, and an earth cohering out of water and through water, by the word of God;
6 through which the then world, being deluged by water, perished.

The above verses show that the Earth was not created "formless and void." It later became this way.



CJB Romans 7:24 What a miserable creature I am! Who will rescue me from this body bound for death?

What does your CJB say is the answer to Paul's question?

Well, this is true. Man fell. Then he was rescued by the Lord God in the garden. Read the Story of Adam and Eve in the Apocrypha.

But to get that across, your version would have to add words. If that is the case it is no longer a translation, but, much like the KJV, it becomes an interpretation.

What manuscripts is this version coming from?

So you think the Holy Spirit will lead us and teach us with a Bible that is mistranslated?

Interesting.

How do you figure?

CLV John 3:13 And not one has ascended into heaven except He Who descends out of heaven, the Son of Mankind Who is in heaven.

Perhaps Elijah and Enoch were from Heaven.



No, it's not.

CLV Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was transferred, so as not to be acquainted with death, and was not found, because God transfers him. For before his transference he is attested to have pleased God well.

The word used is "transferred," not "translate."

Strong's

G3346 metatithemi met-at-ith'-ay-mee
from G3326 and G5087;

to transfer, i.e. (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert.

I saw that on the News. What a scam job. Remind me of Benny Hinn.

I have no problem with the 4.543 billion years theory.

Did you think that mankind was His only creation?

We are pretty self-centered, aren't we?

Yes, very good. I played that game too. We called it Telephone.

But there is a solution. I use the oldest and most complete manuscripts that are available to mankind today. They are...

Codex Vaticanus (a & b)
Codex Alexandrinus
Codex Sinaiticus


As far as I know, there is no John 313. But John 3:13 says...

CLV John 3:13 And not one has ascended into heaven except He Who descends out of heaven, the Son of Mankind Who is in heaven.

It means you are not going to heaven unless you came from heaven.


Yes, Jesus died on a cross. And?

Ready for more?

In Acts 19:2 the Authorized Version reads:

Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

Due to the sense conveyed by this incorrect translation, many still believe that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are dead.

CLV Acts 19:2 said bs to them, " if Did you obtain holy spirit on believing?" Yet they to him, "Nay, neither hear we if there is holy spirit."

A ghost is someone dead. Jesus is alive.

CLV Mt 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.

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Taken from the http://jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/new_age.htm web site...



This shows how, many times, the word "holy" is added to the text, as it is not always found in the Ancient manuscripts as it appears in the KJV.

CLV Rev 22:18 I am testifying to everyone who is hearing the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If ever anyone may be appending onto them, God shall be appending onto him the calamities written in this scroll.

CLV Rev 22:19 And if ever anyone should be eliminating from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God shall be eliminating his part from the log of life, and out of the holy city, that is written in this scroll.

Evidently, these warnings mean nothing to those who support this English version.

The "holiness" that is spoken of in this version is man-made and NOT from God, as these words were added, not by God, but by men.

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Taken from the http://jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/new_age.htm web site...





More additions.

2Cor.5:18 - adding "Jesus" to the word "Christ" is not Scriptural, nor is it necessary. Did they think there was another "Christ?"

Acts 8:18 - Adding "holy" to the word "Spirit" only produces a man-made "holiness" that is NOT of God.

Acts 17:29 - Changing "Divine" to "godhead" changes the word of God. These are not God's words but the words of men.

Rev. 1:11 - Adding the words "I am the Alpha and Omega" changes God's Word into something man-made. If Faith comes by hearing God's word, it's little wonder there is such a lack of Faith among Christians.

Matt. 19:17 - By adding the word "god" to this verse, the translators dimmish some of the other important things that Jesus said. If it doesn't show up in the Ancient text, it is a man-made concept.

Joshua 22:22 - changing Yahweh to Lord God is not an improvement to God's word. It is an atrocity to His Word.

Daniel 3:25 - changing "a son of Elohim" to "the Son of God" only serves to muddy up His prophecies and make unclear His Word.

John 9:35 - it is evident that these "christians" don't know the difference between "the Son of Mankind" and "the Son of God." These are NOT interchangeable terms. Each has it's own connotation as described by His Spirit.

There are many more on that website.

I am still having trouble believing that these people make public these changes and have the nerve to say they believe in God, yet follow the words of men. I would call this attitude a "slap in God's face."

Embracing the errors in the KJV does cause damage to the believer and non-believer as well.

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Four little questions that can all be solved with one little word...

Is the sea perpetual? Jeremiah 5:22 or Revelations 21:1?

Jere 5:22 (CLV) Me do you not fear, an affirmation of Yahweh? From My presence are you not pained? Who has made sand the border of the sea, A limit eonian, and it passes not over it, They shake themselves, and they are not able, Yea, sounded have its billows, and they pass not over.

Rev 21:1 (CLV) And I perceived a new heaven and a new earth, for the former heaven and the former earth pass away, and the sea is no more.

Will the sanctuary (the temple) be set for evermore? Ezekiel 37:26, 28 or Revelations 21:22?

Ezek 37:26 (CLV) And I have made to them a covenant of peace, A covenant eonian it is with them, And I have placed them, and multiplied them, And placed My sanctuary in their midst--to the eon.

Ezek 37:28 (CLV) And known have the nations that I Yahweh am sanctifying Israel, In My sanctuary being in their midst--to the eon!'

Rev 21:22 (CLV) And a temple I did not perceive in it, for the Lord God Almighty is its temple, and the Lambkin.

Were sacrifices to continue forever? Exodus 31:16, 17; Lev 16:33, 34; 2Cronicles 2:4 or Hebrews 9:9, 10?

Exod 31:16 (CLV) Hence the sons of Israel will keep the sabbath so as to make the sabbath an eonian covenant throughout their generations.
17. Between Me and the sons of Israel it shall be a sign for the eon, for in six days Yahweh dealt with the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He ceased and was refreshed.

2Chr 2:4 (CLV) lo, I am building a house to the name of Yahweh my Elohim, to sanctify [it] to Him, to make perfume before Him, perfume of spices, and a continual arrangement, and burnt-offerings at morning and at evening, at sabbaths, and at new moons, and at appointed seasons of Yahweh our Elohim; to the eon this [is] on Israel.

Heb 9:9 (CLV) which is a parable for the present period, according to which both approach presents and sacrifices are being offered, which can not make the one offering divine service perfect as to the conscience,
10. only in foods and drinks and baptizings excelling, and just statutes for the flesh, lying on them unto the period of reformation.

Will the Earth pass away? Psalm 78:69; Ecclesiastes 1:4 or Psalm 102:25; 26 Isaiah 66:22; Matthew 24:35; 2Peter 3:10; Revelations 21:1? Also see Isaiah 45:17 and Ephesians 3:21.

Psal 78:69 (CLV) And He built His Sanctuary like the heights of heaven,
Like the earth that He founded for the eon.

Eccl 1:4 (CLV) One generation goes, and another generation comes,
Yet the earth is standing for the eon.

Psal 102:25 (CLV) Before time You founded the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
26. They shall perish, yet You shall stand.
All of them shall decay like a cloak;
You shall change them like clothing, and they shall pass by.

Isai 66:22 (CLV) "For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make, will stand before Me," averring is Yahweh, "So stand shall your seed and your name.

Matt 24:35 (CLV) Heaven and earth shall be passing by, yet My words may by no means be passing by.

2Pet 3:10 (CLV) Now the day of the Lord will be arriving as a thief, in which the heavens shall be passing by with a booming noise, yet the elements shall be dissolved by combustion, and the earth and the works in it shall be found.

Rev 21:1 (CLV) And I perceived a new heaven and a new earth, for the former heaven and the former earth pass away, and the sea is no more.


Isai 45:17 (CLV) Israel is saved by Yahweh, with a salvation eonian. They shall not be ashamed nor confounded for future eons.

Ephe 3:21 (CLV) to Him be the glory in the ecclesia and in Christ Jesus for all the generations of the eon of the eons! Amen!

In all the above examples, each of these "contradictions" can be solved by using the Ancient Greek work 'aion' and the Ancient Hebrew word 'olam,' both meaning "age" and not "eternal."

The CLV uses the word 'eon' which is an acronym of the two. Look also at Young's version and you can see how the word "age" fits just fine in each and every instance.

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The Ancient words 'sheol,' 'hades,' 'gehenna,' and 'tartarus' are all mistranslated as "hell" in the KJV.

The word "hell" is not as old as these Ancient words. the whole concept of a "hell" was foreign to the Jews, and to Jesus.

There is no "hell" in the Scriptures.

In the OT, the word 'sheol' represented the spiritual side of death. All souls go to sheol (Ezk 18:4).

The Ancient Greek term 'hades' was chosen to represent the Ancient Hebrew term 'sheol' because it meant the same thing... unseen or unperceived. Unfortunately some of the other definitions of the word 'hades; got in the way. Definitions that were used by the pagan religions of that time.

Gehenna is only translated in the NT as "hell," and not in the OT. It represents a physical ravine just outside of Jerusalem. Still not sure how this physical place can be thought of as "hell."

Tartarus is used only once in the Scriptures and is said to hold angels, not men. It's literal translation is "jail."

In my opinion, any Bible that uses the word "hell" is full of errors.

Instead of pretend contradictions and contradictory opinions I thought we might have some real Biblical contradictions for a change.

For practical purposes will be using the KJV, as this is the one that seems to have the most contradictions in it; among the English versions, that is. Yet these errors are in no way confined to this particular English version only.

I will start with errors in translation. Well, I think most of these will be errors in translation.

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COMPARISON

Only by comparison can one appreciate the Concordant Version, so we propose a few examples with brief comments for consideration. Let us look at Genesis 1:1,2. As given by the King James “Bible,” it reads:


In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth, And the earth was without form and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep.


The way this verse reads, practically all readers get the impression that God created the earth “without form and void.” In the celebrated “Evolution Trial” at Dayton, Tennessee, Mr. Darrow requested of the late Mr. Bryan to describe something that could be created “without form and void!” Scientists have poked fun at the “Bible” because of this statement, and pious reverence for a “book” rather than the truth, constrained them to accept and believe it because it was in there! The Concordant clarifies the matter:


IN A BEGINNING created by God [Elohim] were the heavens and the earth. Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant, and darkness was on the surface of the submerged chaos.


That this is the correct rendering, is confirmed by Isaiah 45:18, as given by the American Standard Revised Version, which speaks of the primal creation before the earth “became a chaos and vacant.”


For thus saith Jehovah that created the heavens, the God that formed the earth, and made it, that established it and created it not a waste, that formed it to be inhabited: I am Jehovah and there is none else!


This Scripture confirms the truth that the earth was created “not a waste” in the first verse of Genesis, but “to be inhabited,” and at a later date, through some cataclysmic judgment, is disrupted—“becomes waste and sterile, and darkness is on the surface of the abyss.” Compare Jeremiah 4:23-26 and 2 Peter 3:5,6.

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In John 20:1, the King James reads:

“The first day of the week . . .”

It is little known to Christendom that this is a “bogus” translation foisted upon the church by the translators, a “camel” that has been swallowed by scholars and students alike.

The original, in all three of the oldest manuscripts, reads "mia ton sabbaton," ONE OF THE SABBATHS. Our translators presumed to know more than the great Author and corrupted the word of God. They altered “one” to read “first,” inserted the word “day,” for it is not in the original and is not needed in the translation, and changed “sabbaths” to the singular “week.” Can one imagine a more perfidious and deceptive act of man? It truly is repugnant to those who reverently regard the original as the very word of God, and want it to speak to them as He was pleased to give it.

A very good example. The word "heresy" is not in the Scriptures. It has been interpreted there.

I have found that science does glorify God.

You said you will enjoy the sciences that you understand. I asked if you understood Quantum Physics.