I did'nt know you liked to post on her PRINCE. Hey, how is the THE REVOLUTION these days. Vanity lost her mind you know. Is it true that you are only 3 feet 2 inches tall?

So, thats how Vanity lost her mind...you blew a hole through it.

I did'nt know you liked to post on her PRINCE. Hey, how is the THE REVOLUTION these days. Vanity lost her mind you know. Is it true that you are only 3 feet 2 inches tall?

Krimsa;

I edited out the beginning of this cause the posts are getting huge. I'll take it from here.



I think that it best to recap here, since it appears that this discussion is expanding with each post.

I think that we can establish as fact - that we have these fossel remains which by consenses - we will call "Neanderthal". Determining the age of "Nea" is presumptuous - as we have no means of travelling back in time to substanciate our claims. The same would be said of "cause". I will let you speak of your pesumptions on cause for yourself - but here are mine.

I contend that man was created once. First Adam, and Eve from his rib. Whether this was 6,000 years ago, or 600,000 years would not change this.
I tend to go with 6,000 (or so), prefering for the time being to shade towards literal interpretation of the numbers in scripture - but I'm not beyond entertaining other theories on this. I'm just not up to spead on the Old World creationist axioms. Anyway - this would demonstrate that the idea of God creating Neanderthol, and A&E as homosapien, as two different events a contradiction for me. I have never stated, or felt otherwise. Therefore - Neanderthol - by logic - would be a descendant of Adam & Eve, and since there is only one event of creation - by extension, allowing for your presumption that Neanderthol came first - this would mean A&E were Neanderthols, and not Homosapien. The only other option that would be acceptable within the confinds of my stated presumption, is that there is no difference between Neanderthol and Homosapien, beyond drawing an analogy of the difference between the physique of a caucasion and an oriental.



As previously stated - my presumptions are that Neanderthol are descendant from A&E as priori. So the assertion that A&E is homosapien only serves the purpose of not recognizing Neanderthol as either preceeding H.S. or that there is no definitve distinction between the two, as is presumed in evolution. Again, I tend to find the differences in physicality more in line with the differences we find today within the races - than I do for the need to have adapted from one Eon/Age to the next.

The distinction of what happened due to the flood, is that 3 facts are known.
1) the Majority of the decendants of A&E did not survive the flood - with the exception of 8 people.
2) That the expected life span of man decreased steadily, and rapidly. Fom an average of 900 pre-flood - to 200 up until Abraham, and to 80 Up until David and desreased until the middle ages, only increasing in the modern age with the advent of medical procedures and drugs discovered to prolong life and fight disease.
3) That up until the time of Babel - only one language was spoken on earth, and rather than disperse throughout the land and increase, man congregated. Causing language to be confused, and forced dispersement, and abandonment of building the tower of Babel.

My presumption here is that - despite what labels we assign to the fossels - Cro magnon, Homo-sapien, whatever... The radical change in life-span, eventual change of atmospheric environment, and forced dispersion would account for the changing and adapting of the physicality of man, which is often sighted for the differences in physiques between Caucasion, Oriental, Arab, and Negro populations. So it would be expected that we find variants in the fossel records - for the ame reasons we see them in man today. However - I don't presume to have an adequate explination for this - beyond the premises of modern day science.



Here again - we have a difference in the presumption of time. What would be evidenced from the flood is that whatever variance occured from the creation of A&E till Noah and the other 7 boarded the arc, would have perished in the flood. So, by natural reasoning, Noah and his decendants would now be what would be considered Homo-sapien if the presumption of keeping the labels distinct is to be held to. As to the dispersement of fossels - this would have been a natural occurance due to the dispersement at Babel. It is not clear though, as to how far the ancients (pre-flood) dispersed, as the account of Genesis narrows it's focus to that of Noah, and the generations through to Abraham. All we have of an account in Genesis is that evil had spread throughout the land, and that man had essentially become wicked. So no clear distinction outside of subjective assumptions can be determined concerning where the fossels were located.



Well - in order to reject the presumptions of their being decendants of A&E, it does not suffice to merely come up with another presumption, that is not sufficent to deny the axioms - what is needed to reject a presumption is to show cause why the presumption is an impossibility due to the claims of the presumption, as opposed to the validity of assumed presumptions that oppose it. Generally though - it can often be demonstrated that only one of the opposing presumptions has the ability to be viable, however assurtion of viability remains subjective at best.



No. Neanderthol would not be a decendant of Noah in our scenario. This would be contradictory to what I have been stating. Either there was previous misunderstanding of perspective on your part, or a typing error on mine. (Not unlikely since I have a tendency to word my mix up all the time, and obviously, I can't spell - nor type.)
The difference in genetic anomalies could happen within one or two generations depending on the genome mapping of the parents and cross breeding.
Of course the difficulty here is the lack of sheer numbers of the control group for DNA testing, due to the limitation of fossel records.
There's no way to determine if the information of any genome tested is one that represents all of the potential information, or if there has been information lost within the genomes of the fossels to determine where that fossel falls into the generational time-line. Here, any explination is only going to be subjective due to a serious lack of onmncience on either of our parts. Therefore, it remains difficult to assess the factual evidence and the DNA it provides with any certainty - due to what is missing to assure an adequeste control group.


As a side note - It is encouraging to note though, that the world view on the necessity of the ongoing excavation of the middle east and beyond has eased tremendously in just the last half century. But - it will take vast numbers of people, and unlimited co-operation of what remains as hostile countries to continue the research. I look forward to additional findings to expand the control groups of these presumptions, so that it does not remain so subjective, for it limits any viable discussion because of it.

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dinosaurs were used in The Flintstones Movies!! and dinosaurs RULE!!!

a crack house dumpster?? holy hyperbole batman

your a moron.

I bet she doesn’t leave her baby in a crack house or a dumpster.