I don't know what you've got going on in your life that makes you think it's no big deal to be detained by ICE for weeks, months or forever in El Salvador, but to most people, that's not nice. Even if they don't have pets left at home to die of starvation. People lose jobs and families over that kind of thing. That's why we have laws against punishment without due process. And getting disappeared in prison without court hearings is very much without due process.

In the mean time, ICE has hired thousands of out-of-shape goons to assault and batter the public however they like while their department head is getting the government to buy her a couple private jets so she doesn't have to fly commercial. There's no accountability and things are spinning out of control.

But go ahead and try to make the connection where Americans getting jailed for looking crosswise at ICE agents stops children from being trafficked.

Both. ICE is known to send agents when notified, but they also have others simply riding around looking for suspected immigrants, where they arrest immigrants who don't have their immigration paperwork handy, and even arrest US citizens.


U.S. citizens arrested by ICE have been 'kicked, dragged and detained for days'
www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2025/10/16/us-citizens-ice-arrests

Nice try, Bart. The problem here is Trump being the fool for the international audience. They see him dozing off and getting too easily confused. And now with 100% more urgent, unannounced visits to the hospital. Trump may drop dead any day now. I hope not, but he's not the picture of health.

Yes, America is different. We have a Constitution that guarantees certain civil rights, including the right to due process and against unreasonable searches & seizure


constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-4/

Oh, sure, Trump can go to the best doctors around, but "managing" dementia usually means taking the patient out of the dangerous situation. This guy's got the "nuclear button", and he's getting more confused by the day.


Trump Needs to Be Reminded When He’s Supposed to Speak at His Big Address
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-79-needs-to-be-reminded-when-he-s-supposed-to-speak-at-his-big-address/ar-AA1OnqpR?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Trump posted on his social network that Joe Biden planted 274 FBI agents into the crowd outside the Capitol building on January 6, 2021, apparently not understanding that he was still president, then.

‘Who was president in 2020?’ Trump and GOP want you to think it was Biden
www.msn.com/en-us/general/general/who-was-president-in-2020-trump-and-gop-want-you-to-think-it-was-biden/ar-AA1Ooa0G?ocid=BingNewsVerp

So for the record:
* The 274 FBI Agents were sent to and around the Capitol that day
* They were not sent to the Capitol before it was breached
* The FBI was still under direction by Christopher Wray--who Trump appointed.
* There were two pipe bombs planted nearby at local DNC & RNC headquarters, to which the FBI sent investigators
* Christopher Wray, testified that Some FBI informants were in the crowd, but not told, or even permitted, to be there.
* FBI informants were not told to, and did not incite the insurrection.

Trump is either lying or just confused and credulous toward wild conspiracy theories.

I'm not denying history, here. The criminality is making President Nixon look like a freaking Boy Scout. The "Saturday Night Massacre" is nothing compared to how Trump cleared out the DOJ to put in his personal lawyers. They're grasping at straws to get anybody who Trump feels wronged by, indicted. Comey & Tish James will have an easy time getting those jokes dismissed, though, but it's no laughing matter how much of a joke Trump's made the government.

But let's examine the denial. How do you not see the inflation under Trump? Why is it a good thing that President Trump is costing the US hospitality and agricultural industry hundreds of $billions in lost sales each year (so far)? I'm guessing you must have big-moneyed interests at heart, since you're cheering the billionaires' tax cuts while we're piling on $trillions and $trillions in national debt. Maybe you believe Trump's claim that the US got $17 trillion in investment "in just eight months." He's either lying or he stole most of it.

Trump says the US has secured $17 trillion in new investments
apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-investment-trillions-economy-jobs-eb4ca4b9ed632bd12c559c1ec5fd5764

No, I give DJT all the credit for the tariffs that are wrecking our economy.

Just because he's incompetent and barely cognizant, doesn't mean he's not criminal, and I'll be the first to hand it to him that he's responsible for the rising inflation, unemployment, animosity from other countries, and everything else that makes up the utter failure his administration has become and continues to be. Not like JD Vance has the guts to stop him.

If you have any evidence that Trump knows anything about the garbage he's talking about, I'd like to see it. It looks more like Trump is just a puppet of Marco Rubio and Stephen Miller. When he signs his executive orders, he has to have some other guy say what's in the order in front of him. And sometimes, after hearing that description, he'll say "Oooh."

'We Have Some Executive Orders': Trump Exposes His Incompetence, Has No Idea He's Signing Congressional Bills During Oval Office Event
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/we-have-some-executive-orders-trump-exposes-his-incompetence-has-no-idea-he-s-signing-congressional-bills-during-oval-office-event/vi-AA1MpzCk

It's not that the SCOTUS "on occasion" gives rights to non-citizens. It's that the Constitution explicitly uses the term "person" and not "citizen." Maybe you think that means we're free to pick which rights go to immigrants, and the DOJ should punish "dangerous opinion." But the courts usually say that immigrants get to speak their minds regardless of the current administration's view on Israel, without being imprisoned/deported by the government. I agree, and now the courts are ruling closer to my opinion than yours.

Noncitizens have free speech rights, and the Trump admin violated them, judge rules
www.yahoo.com/news/articles/noncitizens-free-speech-rights-trump-192557031.html

Nice try, but:
The Constitution Protects All People—Not Just Citizens
engagefordemocracy.substack.com/p/the-constitution-protects-all-peoplenot

I never said Trump was shaking hands with people not there. Just that he recalls conversations that clearly never happened.

Why Is This Doctor Asking President Trump To Take Alzheimer's Test?
www.msn.com/en-in/politics/government/why-is-this-doctor-asking-president-trump-to-take-alzheimer-s-test/ar-AA1NDZ60?ocid=BingNewsSerp


As for your other points, Trump sleeps on the job way more than Biden ever did, and his approval ratings are lower than any other president at this time in their presidency.

Donald Trump sleeping at Pope Francis' funeral
www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/donald-trump-sleeping-at-pope-francis-funeral-viral-photos-spark-outrage-internet-says-embarrassment-to-us/ar-AA1DGrGo

Trump’s approval ratings take a dive with every race and age group

www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-approval-ratings-dive-every-141125601.html

True. I never called for Biden's cabinet to remove him from office, but Biden was never as bad as Trump is now. While Biden's had a stutter since childhood and a decades long political career filled with probably hundreds of verbal gaffs, none of that implied that Biden was senile.

President Trump, on the other hand, while being a public figure for decades as well, used to be very well-spoken and quick-witted. Funny, even, and now he's slow and incapable of lining up more than a couple complete sentences worth of a thought. before he mispronounces words or makes something up. He's confusing countries, people and events and describing imaginary situations and conversations that never happened. That and other things he does are clear signs of dementia.

And today, President Trump tried to speak to a room full of top military officers, and came off as a complete idiot. They only reason they didn't get up and walk out on him was because they aren't allowed to, and Trump even threatened them. But they didn't applaud him, either. It was sad.

Trump, 79, Deletes Weird AI Video Shilling Magic Beds
www.thedailybeast.com/trump-79-posts-ai-version-of-himself-shilling-magic-beds/


Trump reposted a video featuring AI versions of himself and his daughter-in-law, not knowing that neither he, nor his daughter-in-law ever said anything of the sort. This is scary how gone DJT is. Time to invoke the 25th Amendment!

Yes, ICE agents are being asked to do a job in an illegal fashion. Where they're told to arrest people to meet Stephen Miller's quota of 3,000 immigrants per day. Arrest quotas are the opposite of probably cause and due process.

And it's not valid undercover work when driving around in a van to round up suspected undocumented immigrants. Law enforcement officers already have the means to protect their identities on the job. Ever looked up a police officer's address or phone number? If you had, you'd know their name and number just leads you to their police building or headquarters. When ICE tells you they're protecting their officers by hiding their faces, it's a lie.

In the USA, we are guaranteed due process by the Constitution, and that due process is not reserved only for citizens. The Constitution makes clear that the government cannot arrest people on mere "hunch" or vague suspicions. Trump and Vance may claim otherwise, but they're lying.

Maybe it's OK in your neighborhood that cops beat civilians, but I know us Americans are promised due process through our Constitution. Cops aren't allowed to abuse the 4th Amendment and just tackle and arrest anybody not presenting as a "fine, upstanding citizen." They have to have probable cause to stop people, and without witnessing a crime, they have to have a warrant before arresting the same. Maybe President Trump is crying about some national emergency, but legal immigrants have been in the US for decades and there is no emergency. No need for violence.

And I dare you to find a situation where ICE agents in regular uniforms with badges and name tags were assaulted more than plain-clothed officers. Maybe they were called names, but that, too is protected in the US. US citizens can legally tell police officers to f**k off. That's been litigated and established, protected speech.

It's not that Democrats are attacking law enforcement. It's that certain elements of the law enforcement community--the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has been gutted of their qualified officers and filled with unqualified thugs that have been terrorizing and deporting legal immigrants. Those "officers" have been running around in unmarked cars, not wearing uniforms or even identification and just running and tackling people. Like gang members. That's what Gavin Newsom and many other Democrats are complaining about, and JD Vance just ignores those very important points.

There's a page on Mingle2 that explains how to make links work: mingle2.com/topic/199646. Unfortunately, it doesn't work on encrypted URLs with the "https". I find that simply removing the "s" from "https://" works, as the web host will usually resolve it to the encrypted page, and I like to just remove the whole "https://" since it works, and looks cleaner for these posts.


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The US military was never close enough to spot drugs on the boats, much less examine any tattoos. Besides, they've already shown that they don't know what a Tren De Aragua tattoo might even look like.

They targeted and destroyed those boats in Venezuelan waters because they were there. Nobody saw drugs in the imagery, and even if they had, that's not excuse enough to summarily execute everybody on the boat.

Good point. Anybody can see that Trump was obviously friends with Jeffrey Epstein, and Trump's denial is silly. The problem is that There's clearly something else that they don't want us to know, like who else is being protected by not revealing the case files. A lot of people believe it might include very powerful people.

The Trump administration has the power to release all the DOJ's investigation documents right now. And while Trump campaigned on releasing the documents, and his FBI leads, Kash Patel and Dan Bongino said releasing the Epstein files would be among their top priorities, we have seen very little, and this administration continues to protecting pedophiles.
time.com/7302995/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-jd-vance/

I would welcome Trump punishing drug traffickers, but nobody knows who got blown up or what was in those boats. There's no evidence the people who died on those boats were gang members or even carrying drugs. And all the evidence is blown up. I think Trump should leave that to the US Coast Guard to carry out their anti-narcotic operations, and quit pretending he knows better than anyone.

But if you can find any evidence that Trump could have known those boats were operated by Tren De Aragua to smuggle drugs to the US, please share.