I understand. I'm not saying the big bang didn't happen, it probably did, because of the evidence of it probably did. And I believe it was part of a "grand design", just as the earth, with volcanos and movement of land mass changes over time. Same with space.

And those things I refer to as "specualtion" is like stating rediculous time lines..like "5 billion years ago". There are simply too many "unknown variables" that could have happened in such a time span.

I can easily admit, you know far more than me in the space knowledge...I simply do not know much..barely any basics. I look more at "logic" and "reason" to attempt to put the puzzle together.

Some have mentioned that the universe will eventually colapse back on itself but according to what I saw last night the universe is still expanding at an ever accelerating rate. The galixies are moving farther away from each other at an increasing rate. They attribute this to the force of Dark Energy.

Then one must remember also that the information that is gathered from the light at the far reaches of our own galixy is billions of years old. What we see no longer exists.

They try to account for the missing mass in the universe by calling it Dark Matter and there is another theory called the String Theory that says there are 27 (and I could be wrong on that number) parallel universes that exist along side ours that account for the missing matter in our universe.

In regard to other big bangs, space is infinite, so is it possible that elsewhere at incomprehensible distances other big bangs have taken place but they are beyond the range of our ability to detect them and so far away that light from them has not reached this galixy yet.

I count "big bang" as a "theory" not speculation. I never said it was not a theory.

And we can use Einstein here as well. Einstein stated himself towards the end of his life, that he believed there must be a "master designer" to all of this (referring to this world and the universe). he did NOT refer specifically to "God" or a "God", but as a "master designer", meaning someone/thing planned and designed what everything we see is. I happen to concur with that theory of Einstein.

Again, mine is just a theory and my belief. Not saying its "fact" of "absolute". Simply the most reasonable logical estimation of what all this stuff is about. because I'll be the first to admit, I don't really know "jack".

Hey Turtle, hope all is well.

Have to disagree in a few areas. I think "most" is theory and speculation on human part.

Yes, there are certain things we actually know of what exists now. However to even attempt to place "datelines" going back, millions, billions and trillions or years is simply obserd in my book. It is simply impossible to estimate, comprehend, or try to guess what could have happened in the universe at any given time.

Humans have only began to have any real kinds of study and knowledge over the last 100 years or so, with most "tech" things, like the radio telescope you describe, maybe the last 50 or 60 years and this is from the beginning of human existance.

So to say we have any true "knowledge" of what has happened and what is really going on in the universe...well its rather bogus from any logical standpoint.

Humanity knows so little of and about what is out there. We are starting to learn a few things, granted. But most is "theory" or simple "speculation" at the very best from any standpoint, including my own.

circumstantial evidence, overwhelming or otherwise.... still is not proven no matter how strong your faith of the matter is.

christians feel the same way about their faith "its fact" the evidence is "overwhelming. I know it is hard to except that we dont know everything but we dont.

Sorry charlie- believe what you will, it is when you say that something is true that you lose me, you yourself said until we turn back the clock---aint gonna happen.


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To believe that 2 particle crashed together and exploded into everything is ALSO a matter of FAITH. it is conjecture at best and even scientist themselves state THEORY.

As but a theory is something that HAS NOT been proven. It is not a law. It is not known to be true. It is just what we are operating under as an assumption to be true because it is the closest fit. And it does not necessarily answer all the issues are going on. But since it answers most, it will be used until something comes along that fits better.

Which is where the quantum physicists come in. Trying to find something that resolves some of the issues and holes in Einstein's theories and traditional physics that have yet to be resolved.

Which is why I'm studying them, rather than the traditionalist.

I think it is you who dosent know what you are talking about. He only recently "renounced" his muslum faith to become catholic becouse of the flak he was catching. If he had nothing to hide from his past or present he would not have changed faith. Think of it this way if you are a prodastant you wouldnt change your religion just to please the people. If you want to talk about brainwashed look at obamas father. He was involved in several extreamist groups and taught the same thing to obama during his youth. Also if he is christian why was he wanting to be sworn in on a kuran and not a bible.

There is always a center. Sure it moves because of expansion, but there is always a center.

Why do you say McCain is a moderate when he is for open borders? Aren't you aware that most of the top Republicans and talk show hosts such as Rush and Coulter are against McCain because of his liberal policies?

so what is the answer?

turtlepoet.... you didn't answer my question. What are your credentials? Okay, I get it. Your non-anwer is that you have none.

The question is how long we survive, and we could ultimatly survive such a dissaster. That is unless we do nothing;^]

I do not go along with your thinking, but I have a question. If asteroid collisions will wipe us out, not all at once, but ultimately, then how is stocking up on food going to help?