I did explain it. You chose to ignore it. That is a logical fallacy with JWs who refuse to deal with all the information. Just above someone said how JWs refuse to listen and only have their own agenda. They show up at people’s doors and ask them about their opinion but they really don’t care what the person thinks or believes. And if they are confronted with anything that goes against their beliefs they either find a scripture to do the talking for them or they leave. You have chosen to post scripture.

This is harassment. What they believe isn’t the issue here. The first post clearly said he was having trouble with the Witnesses. That is the topic and you have proven that JWs don’t listen.

They have been taught a lot of logical fallacies and use them all the time to avoid things they don’t want to deal with.

THIS is the topic and he was referring to JWs.

We are way off topic here so i am not going debate doctrine with you. There are many forums that will discuss JW doctrine. This isn't the place

Ever heard the phrase "Hell on earth" or My life was a living hell"? Neither one is literal... well unless you happen to life in California during the massive fires. But even then they don't mean the whole earth is burning up.

JWs generally don't talk about a literal hell where Satan lives with a pitchfork. They don't believe in the traditional hell that most Christians believe in. Their definition is very different. It isn't a place where the wicked are right now suffering. To them dead is dead. Just a big sleep.

I found it helpful to look at their profiles to get an idea of what would make my stand out. Doesn’t seem to matter. Very few fall into what I am looking for

There are no guarantees but the chances of success are much higher the more you have in common

Agreed. Personally I will never be that desperate.

Believe me, if we didn't need them, we wouldn't wear them.

Most women prefer it when people talk and look at us, not staring at our chest

I think the purpose of the wire is to stop the girls from falling out the bottom of the bra. It also pushes them in so they aren't leaking out the sides. That gives them only one way to go

Basic info on women's clothing

A woman's dress or shirt that is tailored, meaning it is made to fit the body closely has darts sewn into the dress or blouse. The darts make a space where the girls are supposed to fit. If the girls don't fit into the space the girls wind up hanging below it. This throws off the way the dress fits. Hence the push-up bra. It keeps everything in the right place.

Yes some women wear them to show the girls off because we KNOW that is what you look at. We know this particularly well when we are talking to you and not getting any eye contact.

Personally I think underwires are painful. Finally the industry is making a better bra without underwires.

High heels and push-up bras can kill? Wow! Who knew?

I think you have the correct perspective unfortunately many of these groups really don’t care what you believe. They are looking for new members or recruits and if they can con you they will. The people who do this have no idea what they are doing. They truly believe they are doing God’s work.

Good for you. No one should push anybody to “join” anything without clear consent. Far too many groups, not just religious but political, psychological, financial as well as others use undue influence to get and maintain control over members. These groups are referred to as High Control Groups.

I totally agree with you. It should not be necessary.

I was baptized in the United church when I was an infant. I agree that that is a promise the parents and godparents make. It certainly isn't the infant. The adults make a promise to raise the child in that faith. Interesting that they don't require the child to make a promise when they become adults. It only seems important when the person changes church. Nonsensical.

I was baptized again when I was 17 into the JWs. Not doing it again.

Agreed. Most do want you to be baptized again especially if your baptism happened when you were an infant. The whole "born again" belief is what brought this about.

I think that if you agreed to follow the beliefs set out in the scriptures that your faiths believes in you should not have to get baptized again. But then I can't agree with ALL of the teachings of any church.

If it is what someone wants I won't stop them. But I think every person should be free to reference what they have been taught and make sure what it is they are dedicating themselves to

Because they are not baptizing you in the name of God but rather in the name of their church.

A few years ago the Witnesses changed the baptismal vow to include that you are dedicating yourself to them.

The newest baptismal questions, from the June 1, 1985 Watchtower:

(1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

(2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

Agreeing to this means they now have control over every facet of your life - where you can't work, what you can and cannot do, who you can and cannot marry, how you treat family members who no longer want to be JWs, your sex life, whether you smoke, or vote, or belong to a union or political party, what you read if it goes against what they say, how you deal with a fellow JW who has sexually abused your child or your JW husband who abuses you or whether you are guilty if a man rapes you. Everything goes through the elders (congregation leaders). Nothing is your own. And from the baptism day forward they have the right to determine if you still believe everything they teach even if it makes no sense and could change tomorrow.

Believe me I am not angry at individual JWs. I was one too and I have some family who are members. But the leadership controls everything. I am totally against anyone who attacks individual Witnesses.

Most mainstream churches are not like this. You don't attend every Sunday no one will question you. You don't do the required amount of hours preaching, no one will bother you about it. No one will even bother if you are having sex with someone or are living with someone of the opposite sex. But not if you are a Witness.

See, there is the issue: As long as they think there is a possibility they might convert you they will keep talking to you or visiting you. They have an agenda.

You also mentioned how intolerant the Mormons were of Baptists. Witnesses are the same. And it isn’t just Baptist’s. It is every faith that isn’t theirs. This is not respectful. It is condescending to other faiths and to the people in them. You are only worth spending time with IF there is a possibility you might join them. Refuse to do that and you aren’t worthy of talking to.

Who? Me? Well I was but I guess now you could say I am a single grandmother because my kids are grown and on their own raising their own children.

They will still come back just in case you change your mind or maybe you moved and they can contact the new resident.

They have small sheet of paper called record sheets. It records the address who they talked to and a name if given and what was discussed. The sheet might also include whether you have children, love gardening, live in a high crime area or anything else that they can use as a talking point for their next visit.

Every single area in the country is broken down into small areas often with about 300 homes per territory card. Witnesses are given a map of the area and are expected to make contact at least once ever 3 months. When they have completed the card it is handed in and passed to another Witness. Information they gathered on anyone they talk to may be kept so they can go back or it might be handed in with the card for the next Witness to deal with.

Witnesses are trained to do this "preaching" work. They attend a class once a week that prepares them for just about any topic you might discuss. They are not there for open discussion. Or for friendship.

Right now they are targeting certain populations, immigrants, the poor, the disabled, people who have had a death in the family. Yes they go through the obituary notices in the newspaper and show up at a person's door to preach to them.

I know. I was one for 22 years until I managed to get free of them.

They will never agree with you. Their sole purpose is to try to convert you. If you ask them, "Are you trying to convert me?" they will deny it but that is what they are there for.