Yes, that's what I've been trying to say. The problems starts when you get too many people from parts of the world where the culture and people differ much from your own.

One other factor to consider is the difference in the welfare systems in Europe and USA. In most European countries there are good welfare programs also accessible to refugees. That meaning they can have a decent life not working and not even speaking our language.I know you have many Latin Americans speaking only Spanish living in US. But they don't get very much welfare support, do they?

I work for the Norwegian welfare department and have had cases where people living in Norway for more than 30 years and still needed a interpreter! Would that even be possible in USA?

Sailing! That must be the best way to travel the world.

I would like to visit USA. To me your country is the most interesting country of them all.

If nature and the outdoors is a thing for you, then Norway might be a very special and wonderful country to visit. Take a look at this:

https://www.visitnorway.com/?lang=usa

(push the speaker icon at the bottom)

I recommend Oslo and the south of Norway in the spring, the fjords in the summer and the northern part of Norway in the winter. It's the fjords with steep mountains that makes Norway so special. But you probably know that already :)

Caviar? In Norway? No, that's not a big industry here. More of that in Russia.

I'm not quite sure. Haven't seen whale steak in the stores for years. But probably further north where there is more fishing industry.

Whale is also a diverse topic here in Norway. We have years of tradition killing whales. But more and more people are against it. I'm against it too. But the meat is really good. Actually better than most other meat I've tasted.

What? Me? Yes I do. Just forgot I started this thread... (Sorry)

It's lot of fake blondes here too. But still many "real" blondes :)
I like brunettes, though :D

Yes, Bodø is a beautiful town in the north of Norway. Best to visit in the winter. But the summer can also be great (without the rain).

US has not even close the number of MENA refugees as Europe. USA with 320 million citizens has just over one million refugees in total. Norway with just over 5 million citizens has about the half as many as you. Sweden has close to one million, and they are as many citizens as there are people in New York! No wonder why US don’t have the same problems (yet).

All I try to explain is that Europe has had an increasing problems directly related to MENA refugees (not other refugees).

That said, it’s not that I don’t want to help. But with 60 million (at any time!) refugees in the world, how can we help all? And why help those with money and means to “flee” half the world around? Why can’t we help those who cannot flee? Women and children left alone in war and terror?

And therefore it's ok to import more problems?




The asylum idea was created in a different time. Since the agreement of the UN human rights article 14 in 1948 the world has changed in many ways. The nationalities US has providing protection to has also changed through the years. The same here in Europe. BUT there is a big difference. US has many from Latin America and South East Asia. Europe has nearly none from Latin America and just a small percentage from South East Asia. Instead we have many from the Middle East and Africa (MENA). Only the latest years has US received a significant numbers from MENA-countries. But far far away from the numbers Europe has.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but US has just over a million people from MENA-countries. That's only a third of what France alone has. Your all over total is just what Europe received in only one year (2015). One year!

And the problems began with the increasing numbers of refugees from MENA. So please do some research and see how that has worked out for France and other European countries. Google and Youtube is just a keyboard away.

Maybe, but I don't agree. British police has for too long being reluctant to use force to stop rising crime in cities. The criminals has lost their respect for the police. And that will just go one way - more crime.

Police everywhere are trained to balance the risk factors. Yes, sometimes it's goes wrong. But do you blame the police or the criminals for that?

The NRA is telling medical professionals to shut up about their beliefs about gun control. That is why the NRA should be scolded by every decent American.


It's easy to blame the number of guns. But if you look elsewhere, there are many countries with many gun owners but not necessary a lot of killings.

The doctors may be right when they connect gun killings with (mental) health issues. Shouldn’t you look at the causes of these killings before just choosing the easy solution and ban all guns?

I’m myself a gun owner and there is a lot of gun here in Norway. But it's very rare to hear about killing by guns. Yes, we had the incredible tragedy when a gunman killed almost 80 people in 2011, most of them just teenagers. Could we have stopped him? I’m not sure.

Here in Norway we have trouble letting crazy people talk. And that can be a factor to consider. Often idiots and racists are rejected as just idiots. But what this does (in my opinion at least) is that these people go hide under a rock with other crazy people. Together they can nurture their crazy ideas and nobody can stop them before they start shooting or whatever crazy idiots do.

I think we should let ALL people talk and being taken seriously. Let them talk and then explain to them that they might be wrong. That’s the only way we can help them, I think.

If you really want to see how liberal immigrant politics work in other parts of the world? Look to France, UK, Germany and Sweden. Those countries has all together let in millions of immigrants. Mostly Muslim immigrants from Northern Africa and the Middle East. All these countries also more or less influenced by socialist parties (Sweden and Germany in particular).

The crime rates has soared in certain areas, especially related to sex and violence crimes. Just this summer Swedish immigrant set fire to hundreds of cars in Gothenburg (the second largest city). Why they did it? They had nothing else to do and they blame the Swedish society for it. Burning cars was justified in their eyes. And this in a country known for receiving hundreds of thousands of immigrants. That’s how these people thank a country in return.

I’m sorry to say that this wasn’t a onetime incident. There has also been similar stories in other countries in Europe.

Watch this clip from BBC (BBC is far away from Fox and is considered to be fairly neutral). Listen carefully at 4:02 and then at 6:35 and 6:48. That’s how the Muslims blame Sweden for not being open enough! The saddest part must be at the end of the clip at about 9:25. Listen how this girl deny the rise of rapes. “No, it’s not more rapes, it’s just more people reporting rapes! It’s because the statistics is used wrong.” And from about 10:00 you hear how the former immigrant minister deny that the problems is related to immigrants. He is a Social Democrat (of course) and call it an integration problem. Again, the Swedes blame them self for not doing enough. When will it be enough? When Sweden becomes a Muslim state?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORl7l-7_YMQ

I've been in London several times and know of this. Never happened to me personally, though. But I think the police should have done this long time ago. Good job.

To me it's a bit funny when people talks warmly about democratic principles when it comes to asylum seekers, and then turn their back against a _democratic_ elected president.

You're totally right. Please don't go into that same trap as we Scandinavians has done. Socialism has destroyed every will to innovate and create business. All we do is export fish and oil. Have you ever heard about any Norwegian products? Not so many.

We already pay 30% salary tax. Add to that 25% VAT on everything you buy. A car cost 50% - 100% more than most other countries. Do you watch TV? Then pay tax for that also (yes, believe it or not!) I can go on and on... please don't listen to Bernie and all the other "communists".

Agree 100%. That seem to be difficult for some to understand. Strangely enough people that don't pay that much tax...

But what to do with people with disabilities and other health issues? Those who cannot work?

I think we should help people that really tries but still can't work enough to feed them selves or their family. But they have to try hard. Not sitting down and feel sorry for them selves.

What you think?

I would like to see America - all of it. Just love (almost) everything about America, the nature, the culture, the music, the people... and so on :)

As a Norwegian I often recommend seeing our country too. It's a beautiful country. And if you like the outdoors, nature, hiking and skiing. Just do it; go to Norway and you will have the best time of your life. But carry enough cash, it's one of the most expensive country of them all.

https://www.visitnorway.com/?lang=usa