I feel in the new fear tactic over asylum, that the actual requirements and definitions are a good place to start the discussion and as someone who has PERSONALLY been through the LEGAL Immigration process and understand how long and complex and expensive it can get, I also wanted to know more about the actual FACTS of asylum. So, from the US Immigration site, here it goes:




To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.

You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States, unless you can show:

Changed circumstances that materially affect your eligibility for asylum or extraordinary circumstances relating to the delay in filing
You filed within a reasonable amount of time given those circumstances.
You may apply for affirmative asylum by submitting Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, to USCIS. See Form I 589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal for instructions on how to file for asylum.


A defensive application for asylum occurs when you request asylum as a defense against removal from the U.S. For asylum processing to be defensive, you must be in removal proceedings in immigration court with the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR).


https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states

Got it class?

Asylum is for REFUGEES, meaning they are not and are too fearful to be in their home country.

Asylum REQUIRES one to be in the USA. meaning they have to enter somehow.



Asylum is for REFUGEES who have ENTERED the USA already.


So, if on is fearful of where they are living, how do they seek REFUGE in the US, from someplace not their home country? If they seek assistance from US in a country that is not their home country, how do they gain entry and remain in THAT country until the process has been completed?

Do people even understand the circumstances under which refugees live and seek out asylum from others?

Got it class?
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Who are you taking to?

People interested in learning about the subject of Asylum, basically.

Thank you Ms. Crabapple.. can I get a hall pass now.. or is it straight to detention.. as usual. ;)

Ahh, lets see, I have to worry about work, money, weather, my truck, my bike, dogs, taxes, bills, cutting grass, my house, the dead trees in my yard, the racoons that try to hide in my outbuildings. My furnace, well, washer, dryer, tv set, getting time off work, not having enough work.

The only asylum I worry about is the one they may put me in.

Am I worried about those who are trying to get in this country? That's at the very BOTTOM of my list.

Is there a test on this later? Or home work? My dog ate it.

The left doesn't seem to grasp that

That the fact is a lot of people don't give a s**t about the plight of the illegals.. I being one of them.

I care about the plight of our own children. I care about their welfare... their health.. their education.

When that problem is no more.. then I will start caring about others.

And regarding asylum... takes a long time?.. yep... that's the way it goes. Don't accept that?.. then don't apply

We ain't changing to fit their schedule.

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What do you mean may? Have you forgotten where you are?

Asylum is a topic that will be in the news for a while with the 'caravan' panic.

I thought it may be cool to have a reference, legally speaking, about what asylum consists of in our States. I care. I thought others who care may find the info interesting.



obviously, anyone who doesnt care can skip the thread. I do it to dozens of threads a day.

That's the problem, MsH -- They DO care.

They care that you might sway someone's mind. That you might persuade people.

They believe that your ideals may place this country in a worse position, or somehow negatively impact their own lives.

So while they do not care about the refugees or the plight of illegal immigrants, they actually do care about how those two groups impact the nation and every citizen in it in unseen ways.

I pulled out of one of your other threads simply because I actually like Greeneyes even though I disagree with many of his views. I didn't want to get into a big extended argument with him, especially one where it might become personal simply due to emotional logic. So I deleted my post, threw up my hands, and exited in exasperation. And yet, despite how the replacement text read, I did it out of respect for Greeneyes.

You see, the more you try to convince them that your thinking is right, the harder they will resist it. Why? Because it makes them feel as if their own thoughts and opinions don't matter. In their eyes, they've already lost their voice in government and society in general. Your threads are symbolic of the "why". It's a reminder that people who think as you do have basically taken over this country -- at least in their eyes. So they scream to be heard here instead -- because they can. That's how and why they end up taking over your threads.

Meanwhile, those who do think as you do get fed up with being punching bags. So they don't even bother showing up to be heard. You stand alone because others simply don't want the same aggravation you consistently put up with

And they'll be called names too, like "carebear", "daffodil", "hipster", etc., all of which are derogatory in tone, if not actual meaning.

I appreciate the comment action. I appreciate discussion in general, to be honest. It is a shame that there is such pressure about trying to prove oneself 'right', instead of just being able to share different possible perspectives. It is a human flaw that maybe impedes true enlightenment and growth. That may sound spacy or whatever, but I think you and others will know what I mean by it.

I sometimes have to step back as one of those humans and check myself, like when I read posts like this. I prefer logic and discussion and was raised to be able to agree to disagree. I apologize for any of the times I have allowed myself to grovel in that divisive pit of stepping on someone else to elevate myself. Hopefully, I don't do it often, and I certainly don't do it consciously or intentionally, but I do appreciate being able to actually discuss with exchanges like this, that aren't about anyone being above anyone else, but just about different perception.

You know I dont always agree with you either, but I do appreciate your style. Thanks

It's not a fear tactic to prevent our nation from being overridden by millions of people who:

1. Have no working skills.
2. Expect to go to our colleges at no cost while our sons and daughters have to pay massive amounts for an education.
3. Who will become wards of the state (look at California).
4. Telling our citizens how to write and enforce our immigration laws.
5. Pressuring society to Entienden Espaniol (learn Spanish).

America didn't become the great nation it did by chance. We went through a revolution against the one world super power of it's day: the UK.

Next we went through a civil war to:
1. Maintain the union
2. End slavery

The people of Central America need to return home and retake their nations. Possibly create a United States of Central America.

To open the boarders as democrat's are pressing for will cause a mass exodus to the USA. We can't take in all of central America. Open the boarders and you bet they'll come en'mass. I would if I were them.

When all that in central America is left are gangs, corrupt politicians and drug lords what will our boarder be like then?

Unfortunately they need to go through what we did in the civil war. Inhumane? No one, today, talks about our revolution and civil war as so inhumane they shouldn't have happened. everyone forgets or ignores about how tragic they were. I suggest watching Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War.

Flood our nation with people who are married to the state for existance and see what happens here. This mentality is noble but not practical. If a life boat can handle 100 people and 1000 are in the water which few get to come in the boat? If one says everyone can get in what happens to the boat? It capsizes.

Our nation is already in massive red ink financially (that's to ALL of our political leaders). It's financial suicide to expect to take in millions from Latin America, Africa, the Middle East and Asia. Yet this is what liberal socialists are demanding.

They seem to be fulfilling what conspiracy theorists are saying about the deep state: bring America to it's knees so they can make a one world government and financial system.

Asylum has been here for decades, so why fear it NOW? What changed? Not the numbers? No massacres happening because of refugees overtaking the States. it is a fear tactic, and not much else.

just the phrase 'millions of people' not to mention the assmptions about their skills or intentions, shows how successful the tactic has become.

here are the numbers, in reality.

A total of 84,989 persons
were admitted to the United
States as refugees during 2016.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Refugees_Asylees_2016_0.pdf


the caravan is said to have 5,000 trying to travel through mexico ON FOOT to the US border, they are putting themselves in more danger of harm and/or death than we need to worry about when and IF they make it to their destination.

So how many asylum seekers is acceptable to you?

When the Vietnam war ended hundreds (plural) of thousand of "boat people" made every effort to leave and come to the USA.

I understand Hispanics are living in bad conditions but it is not our responsibility to police the world and take in all people who have it bad, as bad as that sounds. Some, yes, but we have poor, homeless, gang members, young single moms, etc. We don't need more. It may feed the political ego but it will break the countries economy.

If we open the boarders the flood gates will begin. 84,989 will only be a small beginning. We need to control who comes in and they should do so legally with proper paperwork. BTW, all other nations do the same. Just like we did in Ellis Island where my grand parents came through in the early 19 hundreds.


If the democrat's want to hand over the sum of their paychecks so be it. My family members can't a ford free everything.

I lived through President Johnson's "Great Society" act. Such a flop. All it did was make a whole generation of young black Americans trapped to the government welfare program. Johnson talked about educating young black's but little ever transpired.

If asylum seekers enter the USA legally, then I have no problem with them.

How many asylum seekers has BEEN acceptable until now? That seems like a reasonable number as I do not recall any major refugee caused issues or dangers in these States.

The current laws allows refugees to seek asylum regardless of immigration status, which, knowing all the formalities of entering 'legally' even from a country which is not riddled with danger and oppresion like Wales, makes sense. People in all countries, especially more downtrodden ones, do not have the resources to do things the 'legal' (and costly) way often times, and should not be refused the ability to flee from those circumstances because of those obstacles. (IMHO) It kind of defeats the purpose of seeking asylum if things are still civil enough to have a status that can lend to 'legal' means of emigration from those countries.

just to use a well known reference, it would be like expecting slaves to use the railroad 'legally', or asking people to hide Jewish people 'legally' during the Holocaust.

When in extreme oppression, those circumstances of being legally oppressed or subjugated are going to be part of WHY people are trying to flee.

as for black people, many may have been 'trapped' in welfare, but not any more than the whites who already had access to it were 'trapped',

However, with access to more things being opened to blacks AS WELL, it meant that many more were able to feed their families and actually rise up on the socioeconomic ladder as well.

What me argue ;)
Thank you for the respect given
My views are not for everyone..never have been. I have never been one to " go with the flow" But I will defend my views..my morals..my character. to the bitter end..and never back down or cave in to constant slamming because. I believe in them

And after all that is what America is all about

To try to stop citizens of Central America from seeking asylum is to go against the will of the people.

The will of the people in the USA is expressed through Congress, which passes bills that reflect the will of the people.

Congress passed bills pertaining to asylum, and the POTUS signed those bills into law.

So, what do those laws say? That is the topic of this thread.

The law is intended for those who face persecution or genocide.

How are the people in this caravan being persecuted?

If they aren't facing any reasonable form of persecution, asylum should be denied.

We'd be better off accepting refugees from African states where genocide or wholesale kidnapping of women and girls has been happening.

facts about asylum in the United States...are for people fleeing political retribution or possible death.

so economic asylum does not exist. the caravan IF it can even get thru our military....which I do not think it's possible....will get deported..

check it out.


Qualifying For Asylum
Who Can Apply for Asylum?

A person can qualify for asylum if he or she has:

A reasonable fear
Of future persecution
On account of
Race, religion, national origin, political opinion, or membership in a social group

Reasonable Fear

A person’s application for asylum must show that he or she has a “reasonable fear” of future persecution. This refers to the likelihood that someone will be persecuted in the future. An applicant for asylum does not need to prove they are guaranteed to be persecuted in the future, and does not even need to show it is more likely than not. Asylum law says that a person has a reasonable fear of persecution even if there is only a 10-15% chance of being persecuted in the future.

Persecution and Future Persecution

In order to qualify for asylum, one must prove that the persecution one fears will happen after returning to his or her home country. This can be difficult to prove, as it requires one to speculate about what things might happen in the future.

However, if an applicant can establish that he or she was persecuted in the past, U.S. law says that that person has a reasonable fear of future persecution, unless the government can prove otherwise. There are only two ways the government can show that there is not a reasonable fear despite past persecution: 1) if the conditions in that country have changed enough so that there is no longer a danger, or 2) if the applicant could reasonably live in a separate part of that country and be safe from persecution.

Persecution is not defined in U.S. asylum law, so the government will look at what is in an asylum application on a case by case basis. Generally, any severe loss of life or liberty will be considered persecution. Torture or severe bodily harm will always be considered persecution, as well as being locked up for an extended period of time. A threat of persecution or death can be considered persecution if a person is threatened often and from a credible source.

On Account Of

A fear of future persecution alone is not enough to get a right to asylum. This persecution must be done “on account of” one’s race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a social group. An asylum application must demonstrate two things to satisfy this requirement:



The applicant must show that the reason the persecution that is being done is because of being in one of the five protected grounds (race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a social group). This can cause confusion because sometimes a person is persecuted for multiple reasons. In situations like these, the applicant must show that one of the five protected grounds is one of the primary reasons for persecution. If the government decides that being in one of the five protected grounds is only a minor cause of the persecution, asylum will not be granted.
The asylum applicant must show that the persecution is done either by the country’s government or by people who the government cannot or will not control. Typically, showing the direct involvement of a government official (like a uniformed soldier) is enough to show that the government is responsible.

Sometimes, there is a group, like a rebel army or criminal organization, that is so powerful that they effectively control areas of a country such that the government cannot protect the people there from persecution. Other times, the government does not even try to protect people from persecution, possibly because of corruption or local culture. In both of these situations, a victim of persecution can be granted asylum.

Race, Religion, National Origin, Political Opinion, or Member in a Particular Social Group

In order for an application for asylum to succeed, a person’s fear of future persecution must be on account of five protected grounds – race, religion, national origin, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group.
Bars to Asylum

People who are eligible for political asylum are exempted from several grounds of inadmissibility that would cause other immigrants to be deported or not allowed to enter in the first place. Immigration violations such as entering illegally or living and working in the United States illegally do not prevent someone from being granted asylum. There are some things that bar someone from receiving asylum, though. A mandatory bar prevents someone from ever getting asylum, while the discretionary bars can sometimes be overcome.

Mandatory Bars


soooooo....according to these facts....the poor misguided folks will be deported.
p.s. check out the last paragraph...

any type of asylum is mute if the individual enters or works illegally in the United States of America. looks like George Soros fool these leftists...