Kurt's death was a tragedy, but Nirvana's sound was very unique and it's sad we'll never hear anything new from them. However, the death of Nirvana led to Dave Grohl founding the Foo Fighters which are also a great band. Someone's life is more important than a new band, but since Kurt did pass away, we have to look at any positives there might be.

Well I can give you one of my experiences with peacock theory. Except it's not really peacock theory and I wasn't trying to do anything. I was at the mall in Spencers and this lovely lady walked over to me and started a conversation with me because I was wearing a United States Army t-shirt. So here's my advice...and I'm not even charging you for it...it's called the Army Attraction Theory. Girls dig guys in the armed forces. So get a shirt and act like you're in/about to join .

I left my book somewhere else so I wasn't able to thumb through it, lol. You're right though. It doesn't matter what you look like if you're the one attracting women. AFC's will just be jealous and peacocking is probably the only thing they can try to use against you. Still though, Mystery's peacocking is outrageous, but it works since he's a magician. Guys should only peacock enough to fit their style.

And thus, Peacock Theory was born



Of course, there's a downside to everything. mPUA's fail to mention how much you could be made fun of depending on how far you take peacocking. People shouldn't go crazy with it (like Mystery) unless they have high self-esteem to be able to brush it off.

I know this doesn't have much to do with your debate with Jistme, but I was bored

Now you know how most guys are around women.

Slow down there buddy. You're trying a little too hard.

By the way, how's it going Kat? Long time no chat

I didn't quote it word for word. In fact, I can't remember which book I read it in (although that same basic principle is talked about in all of them). But all of it is true. And I wouldn't have read it, or believed it if I hadn't found out about PUA's. Originally, I looked into it to get better with women. I won't deny that. Instead, it opened my eyes to the fact that it isn't about getting better with women. It's about becoming a better person. Some people might find it sad that I turned to "pick-up artists" to figure it out, but hey, at least I learned it one way or another.

I don't mean to sound as though self confidence is found by being comfortable with seduction because it isn't. I was out with some friends the other night and my friend said "See that girl in the corner? Wouldn't it be cool to just go over there and start talking to her." So I asked him some questions about why he was afraid to go talk to her. He couldn't give me an answer. Men just have that fear of approaching women. Sure, he could use field tested lines and talk to her without being rejected, but that doesn't change his self confidence. Underneath, he'd still be the same insecure person. It just makes him less afraid to approach a woman. Self confidence has to come from a person being comfortable with themselves, not through routines. I apologize if I made it sound like anything different.



Agreed. The key is to just let go of the insecurities one has based on other people's opinions. This is for everyone....when you look around a room, you're probably concerned about what others are thinking about you. Relax. They aren't judging you. The truth is, they are just as worried about what people think of them. Now this is a line PUA's can use in field to create an interesting conversation, but it can help with self confidence as well...."If you could do anything in this world without fear of failure, what would it be?". Everybody should ask themselves that question. And whatever the answer is, just do it. They want to do it, but fear of failure is preventing it and that leaves a person unfulfilled. Even if you do fail, you can at least say you tried... and that's a lot more than most people can say.

There's a difference between self-improvement and seduction. I don't recall saying that the actual seduction phase improves ones self image. Building self confidence first leads to being able to attract the type of women you desire later.



There are a select few that do know who they are. I agree though that the majority of us, PUA's included, don't.




Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're saying you are on a path to self-improvement by not improving. Yes? No?


Honestly, I'm getting tired of the arguing. Why can't we agree to disagree? We are entitled to our views, just as you are entitled to yours.

My view towards being a PUA is that it isn't solely directed towards picking up women as most people tend to assume. It's about building a lifestyle. Being a stong, confident person. Not everyone agrees with this method. And that's fine. We are just showing men something that is out there. Nobody is forcing it on you. Yet, you constantly criticize us. Does it make you feel like a bigger person for trying to tear apart someone's beliefs? I've tried the nice guy approach. It hasn't gotten me where I wanted to be, so I'm trying something new.

If you want to call PUA's players, at least consider this. Players are just out to get with as many women as possible. PUA's are men with options. They say "no" far more often than they say "yes". AFC's usually get obsessive over one girl because they have trouble attracting women. A lot of people, both men and women, stay in unhealthy relationships because of that fear of being alone. If you have options, you don't have to be afraid of ending a relationship that is not beneficial to either party involved.

Well said. You're right, he did say it works if you truely know yourself. Obliterated was not the best word. I believe, however, that the men in this thread that have used the statement "I'm going to be myself" aren't truely themselves. They are the nice guys that put women up on pedastals. Very few people in this world know their true selves (myself included), they just think they do. Some of us are putting forth the effort to find what's buried inside. Others are content living their lives as they are now.

I'm surprised you even need to do the missions. When I read that section though I immediately thought of this thread and all the guys who keep saying "I'm just going to be myself and I'll find the right woman." Style just obliterated that argument.

Wow, guys are idiots (I include myself in that category )

That's even worse . Congrats on the '07 world series though. The Red Sox and White Sox like to win in back to back years (1917/1918, 2004/2005) so the BoSox have given me hope for '08

You live in Michigan? I'm guessing you're a Tigers fan then?

Don't boost our ego's too much, lol

Which sports?

I went to a Krystal's in Tennessee. To be honest, it looked like a cheap version of White Castle....and not very appetizing.

Yeah, they're kind of addicting. The last couple of times I've been there though I've gone with the chicken rings.

I had a real response to this thread until I read that. Then I completely forgot what I was going to say.

I thought this belonged here:

"A limiting belief is something that you believe about yourself, other people, or the world--and although it isn't actually true, the fact that you think it is holds you back from experience and success.

LIMITING BELIEF: All I have to do is "be myself," and eventually I'll meet the right woman who likes me for me.

REALITY: This works only if you know exactly who you are, what your strengths are, and how to convey them successfully. Most often, this statement is used as an excuse not to improve. What most of us present to the world isn't necessarily our true self. It's a combination of years of bad habits and fear-based behavior. Our real self lies buried beneath all the insecurities and inhibitions. So rather than being yourself, focus on discovering and permanently bringing to the surface your best self."