tdion wrote:

when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over, until we become perfect. This is part of the "Grace of God" and it will last until Christ makes his second return.

Note: I didn't quote any biblical text, since I am just glimpsing on this subject.

However, the bible must be read precept upon precept to get the full understanding.
[Isaiah 28-9:10].

tdion wrote:

NeutralZone, I don't know your background and nationality but since most people on this site are involved in Christianity and Islam, I can't explain too much. That's not an excuse. But if you can tell me your Nationality and what the topic of the bible is, in other words, who was the bible written too, why was it written, and what it is all about, I will reconsider.

tdion wrote:

That's not what the bible is about. God's name is not even Jehovah. Jehovah is a title and it simply means "God will provide". It's obvious you were brought up in Christianity. There are two Gospels. That of the bible and that of Rome (Catechism of Rome). You must do your research, but I will help you out.

God and Christ are NOT the only main Characters in the bible. God is the father of a nation and Christ is the mediator between his father and His nation. In order For Christ to mediate, we must have a controversy and that's why the bible was written. To give instructions, answers, solutions and hope.

Elena wrote:

Like every other religious person, your "God" is the only true god.
Everyone else is mislead, of course.
How incredibly sad that you have to base your life on a book - any book.
The Bible was written by men, and is the Word of Man, not any "God".
I'll not take the "monkey" bait. The only monkeys are the ones believing the Bible.

NeutralZone, I don't know your background and nationality but since most people on this site are involved in Christianity and Islam, I can't explain too much. That's not an excuse. But if you can tell me your Nationality and what the topic of the bible is, in other words, who was the bible written too, why was it written, and what it is all about, I will reconsider.

John 10:30-"I and my Father are one" Christ knows EXACTLY how those words will be taken, and He NEVER backs down an inch from that very meaning. They are one.
Revelation 20:6-"Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years." Priests of TWO, reign with ONE.
Revelation 22:3-" No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him." Again, TWO thrones, ONE God. Christ is no creation; we can no more comprehend the essence of God, than we can the power or age of Him. People are using terms that only matter in this reality; this is not the reality of God, this is a closed system where He placed laws that we can understand. Where was God before Genesis 1? Was there space, or time? Is it possible to visit every creation when all is said and done? It is possible, with our understanding of time and space, that God could spend a Billion years dealing with a creation before starting a new one, and if we asked to spend 10 seconds to see each of them, we would never be seen again. There would be no first creation, there would always be another one. We can no more comprehend God and Christ, than we can no beginning of anything. A creation with free will can always turn on Him, Christ being part of Him would be turning on Himself. Sure people can think as they wish, but I will stick with He and the Father are one.

tdion wrote:

when we die, we go to the spiritual world to be judged by God and are then sent back to the earth to do our lives over and over, until we become perfect. This is part of the "Grace of God" and it will last until Christ makes his second return. If we become spiritual or blameless before Christ makes his 2nd coming, then we will receive honors and the Kingdom of Heaven, which means eternal life on earth. If not then we die the 2nd death meaning we vanish from existence. Incase you wonder about the animals, then there is no judgement for them, since they can't sin and therefore they pass on to a next life and are reborn again.

I am however not able to write about this subject indepth, because God's plans are much larger than this, and whether you believe it or not, we humans are NOT equal nor are we the same. Therefore our destinies are not the same. My goal is never to hurt but to enlighten and hopefully this makes sense to you.

Note: I didn't quote any biblical text, since I am just glimpsing on this subject.
However, the bible must be read precept upon precept to get the full understanding.
[Isaiah 28-9:10].

jugari007 wrote:

They don't die they only change the body, like if you have very old car not working, too many problem. you get rid of it and get another car, remember body is not you something else is there which doesn't die. Body is always changing getting old one day it has to go. There are meditation that can make you realize of your past lives.

Hi,

Is there anybody here who would dare to explain what the theme of the bible is?
In other words.... if you read a book you should be able to tell what the book is
about, right?

X

Hi,

Is there anybody here who would dare to explain what the theme of the bible is?
In other words.... if you read a book you should be able to tell what the book is
about, right?

X

I do not follow nor believe in the idealism that is known as the Trinity!!

I believe in ONE GOD, He is known in the Torah as ELOHIM, "I AM THAT I AM!!" He is known in the Aramaic/Greek New Testaments as "The Father."

To find the best answers for this and many questions of the New Testament, is to read what our "ONENESS CHURCH FATHERS," 1 or 2 generations from the actual Disciples/Apostles and using same language to know the true meaning of what was being written.

What they wrote, the Apostles baptized in Book of Acts in Name of Yeshua, Peter COMMANDED to be Baptized in Name of Jesus. Timothy baptized the Eunuch in Name of Yeshua like in Chapter 19, Paul baptized in the Name of Yeshua.

Yeshua is the WORD, the spoken W.O.R.D. from God.

You speak words, those words you speak only reflect you, and no one else.

This is God and how His Spoken WORD works. God speaks, the (His[God's]) WORD then does what was spoken. But the ONE SPEAKING and the ONE DOING are not 2 different Deities, they are ONE and the SAME DEITY. One God using 2 perspectives to fulfill His work. And the Holy Spirit is the personal Spirit of God.

Genesis 3:6 explains that, Yeshua explains (or the Father speaking through His WORD), and Paul explains it.

Paul confirms 2 times that God is ONE PERSON, the Fathers. Mark 12 proves that Yeshua confirms God is One Person, the Father to/with the Scribe.



You have a Bible that is a translation and thoughts of the person WHO TRANSLATED your Bible. But your bible is a translation of Latin Vulgate, translated from the Greek and Hebrew. There is the Aramaic version which is extremely valuable. It's the actual language Yeshua spoke, His Disciples, the Pharisees and others. Of course they spoke Greek and Latin with the Romans, but their language amongst themselves would be native like their Aramaic.

So to know the real factual truths, I read the Torah and the Aramaic with Greek. Yes, I have my English KJV Dake's, but when I compare that to these the originals, wow, there is a lot of missing information plus adding by the English writers. Definitely personal beliefs, not real scriptural facts.

So no, There is only ONE GOD, the FATHER!! But the WORD is a part of the FATHER, because it is the action portion to what the FATHER is saying. The WORD is not an actual Son. It's a Son on basis that all flesh humans are Son/Daughters of God created in His Image. No, the WORD is really the Spoken portion of the Father.

The Messiah is described as the Right hand of Power by the Prophets. God was this Big One Person, but the Messiah would be God's Big One Body actual Right Side representing the Power of God (the Action of what God speaks and Commands). Yeshua is not only the Messiah, but the Spoken WORD of the Father, making the Speaker and the Action of the WORD the SAME PERSON.

This is why there is even a portion of scripture from Paul claiming, Yeshua is the physical Image to the Father's Invisible Image. Or, when Yeshua looks into a mirror He sees Himself as the Father, and when the invisible Father looks into a mirror He sees Himself as the WORD!!

Because Philip asked Him. And Yeshua explained.

iam_resurrected said:
And what Yeshua explained is how Paul describes Yeshua in Colossians:


ܗܘ ܕܗܘܝܘ ܕܡܘܬܐ ܕܐܠܗܐ ܕܠܐ ܡܬܚܙܐ ܘܒܘܟܪܐ ܕܟܠܗܝܢ ܒܪܝܬܐ
15 who, that is to say, is The Image of Alaha {God} who is not seen.

This verse claims if we see the invisible God we see Yeshua, when we see Yeshua, we are seeing the invisible God!!

iam_resurrected said:
What you refuse to accept, is that the Father is OMNIPRESENT. He could be in Heaven and in the flesh body as Yeshua at the same time!! He is God after all!!

Tom4Uhere said:
It is understandable that we would welcome acceptance for the things we do in which we can't seem to control. This was a driving force in me for a very long time.
Until I learned how to control myself and act according to my own imperatives.

Tom4Uhere said:
It is understandable that we would welcome acceptance for the things we do in which we can't seem to control. This was a driving force in me for a very long time.
Until I learned how to control myself and act according to my own imperatives.

Tom4Uhere said:

Followed Christian beliefs and YES, "witnessing" is a directive.
For a long time I reached out to others trying to get them to feel the relief I felt when I was saved.
Then it occurred to me that we only need saved if we think we are doing something wrong by living?

Tom4Uhere said:
See, no matter who you are or how you believe, we all do things we know we shouldn't.

NeutralZone2,

The fact that you do, tells my you are not secure in your beliefs.
The more you ring my doorbell, the more difficult it becomes for me to consider your beliefs.

NeutralZone2,

If I were REALLY interested in converting my beliefs, I would seek you out.
You wouldn't need to come to my door.
The fact that you do, tells my you are not secure in your beliefs.
The more you ring my doorbell, the more difficult it becomes for me to consider your beliefs.

NeutralZone2,
Interesting but not really a discussion about JWS.

iam_resurrected said:
Let me show you John 10:30-31 in the Aramaic, which is the language Yeshua and His Disciples factually spoke:

ܐܢܐ ܘܐܒܝ ܚܕ ܚܢܢ
30 I and Abi {My Father}, We are the Same!”

How does John 14:7-10 reveal just the opposite of what scripture reference I provided in the Aramaic?

You have to literally deny what you are reading in those verses to achieve 2 separate people. How can the "Father Living inside my Body" saying what you hear Me say, and doing what you see Me do collate to 2 people?

The WORD is the "Same" as the Father, since the WORD comes from the Father!!

They have their own version of the Canon. I personally use the Hebrew-Greek-Aramaic, but the KJV alone is good enough to reveal their inconsistencies in a side by side comparison.

They don't believe in the Deity of Yeshua.
I show them John 14:7-10, this is where Yeshua reveals He is the Father (verse 10).

Let the Holy Spirit guide You!!

uche9aa said:

You didnt read my post very well. I was rather debunking the six thousand years theory. Pls read carefully before you comment