uche9aa:

As a fellow Christian, I must tell you that the scientific evidence does not support the belief by "Young Earth" believers, that the earth was created a mere 6,000 years ago. The reality is that the Judeo-Christian Bible does not explain how long the six "Creative days" lasted.


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Conrad_73:

That's the best you can come back with? Telling me to read some article in which somebody else gave their opinions? An article that you did not even bother to quote the relevant portions of?

Who do you think has the time to waste clicking weblinks and reading entire articles, looking for evidence that you claim is to be found therein? Your job is to quote the relevant portions from your source, identify the paragraph you quoted it from, and then provide the link so that others can confirm that you correctly quoted your source and so that you can't be accuse of plagiarism.

I demonstrated in my above response that Moses had more than enough time to informed others of his own impending death, which he wrote in the past tense since he was prophetically writing about his death. Moses had seen what happened to his brother Aaron. Therefore, it is quite reasonable that he could prophesy his own death, including what would occur after his death.


So until you can present a credible argument that Moses could not have been the writer of Deuteronomy 34:5-10, your claim that he was not the writer in that instance amounts to your personal opinion.


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Conrad_73:

Of course Moses wrote Deuteronomy 34:5-10. He had been informed by Jehovah at Numbers 20:12 that both he and his brother Aaron would die and not be permitted to enter the Promised Land, because of their behavior in not giving credit to Jehovah for the miracle with the water. This was on the occasion when the Israelites, after being released from slavery to Egypt, turned on Moses and Aaron, accusing them of bringing them out of Egypt to die of thirst. Notice below. Take particular note at what God told Moses and Aaron at verse 12.

Numbers 20:2-4, 9-12
"2 Now there proved to be no water for the assembly, and they began to congregate themselves against Moses and Aaron. 3 And the people went quarreling with Moses and saying: 'If only we had expired when our brothers expired before Jehovah! 4 And why have you men brought Jehovah's congregation into this wilderness for us and our beasts of burden to die here?' 9 So Moses took the rod from before Jehovah, just as he had commanded him. 10 After that Moses and Aaron called the congregation together before the crag, and he proceeded to say to them: 'Hear, now, you rebels! Is it from this crag that we shall bring out water for you?' 11 With that Moses lifted his hand up and struck the crag with his rod twice; and much water began to come out, and the assembly and their beasts of burden began to drink. 12 Later Jehovah said to Moses and Aaron: 'Because you did not show faith in me to sanctify me before the eyes of the sons of Israel, therefore you will not bring this congregation into the land that I shall certainly give them.'"


Sure enough, as prophesied, Aaron died before he reached the Promised Land. And guess what? Moses and Aaron were given advance warning of Aaron's eminent death. Notice below at verse 24:

Numbers 20:23-24
"23 Then Jehovah said this to Moses and Aaron in Mount Hor by the border of the land of Edom: 24 'Aaron will be gathered to his people. He will not enter the land that I will give to the Israelites, because you both rebelled against my order regarding the waters of Meribah. 25 Take Aaron and his son Eleazar and bring them up into Mount Hor. 26 Remove Aaron's garments and clothe Eleazar his son with them, and Aaron will die there."


So not only did Jehovah inform Moses exactly when Aaron would die, he told Moses where Aaron would die: up in Mount Hor.

Similarly, Jehovah informed Moses ahead of time that his death was eminent. This information was given to Moses when he and the other Israelites reached the plains of Moab. Moses was allowed by God to climb a mountain from which he could see the Promised Land, but he did not die immediately after that, based on the wording used in the scriptural account. Notice below where the words are all caps and bolded at verse 5.]


(Deuteronomy 34:4-5, 7)
"{4} And Jehovah went on to say to him [Moses]: 'This is the land about which I have sworn to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, saying, "To your seed I shall give it." I have caused you to see it with your own eyes, as you will not cross over there.' {5} AFTER THAT Moses the servant of Jehovah died there in the land of Moab at the order of Jehovah. 7 And Moses was a hundred and twenty years old at his death. His eye had not grown dim, and his vital strength had not fled."

See where it says "after that"? That expression does not tell us how much time passed before Moses actually died. But it was more than enough time for Moses to write the few lines required to tell the reader that he died and to write it in the past tense--under divine inspiration.


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Conrad_73:

The Prophet Isaiah was giving a viewpoint description of how Earth appears to someone above it, depending on the angle of the person at the time of the viewing. There are existing photographs of earth where it looks like a 2D circle rather than a sphere/3D circle.


The point you're missing is that Isaiah provided a description of earth as seen from above, at a time in history when no humans had the ability to take space flights.


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There is EVIDENCE the Judeo-Christian Bible was divinely inspired by Jehovah. Below are a few instances of such proof.

1. Bible writers had knowledge that was well ahead of its time, such as the fact that earth appears to be circular when viewed from above.

"There is One who is dwelling above the CIRCLE of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell," (Isaiah 40:22)


2. Bible writers had knowledge that earth is floating in space, with no visible means of support, when nobody at that time in history could have known this.

"He [Jehovah] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing;" (Job 26:7)]



3. The Judeo-Christian Bible has almost 2,000 accurately fulfilled prophesies. Many of the prophecies are remarkably detailed--proof that the prophecies did not come from the men who were used to write the Bible but that instead, the prophecies came from Almighty God Jehovah.


DEBATE QUESTIONS:
1. How could the writer of the Book of Isaiah have known that earth appears as a circle when earth is viewed from above?


2. How did Moses know that the earth is floating in space with no visible means of support?


3. How were the many other Bible writers able to accurately prophesy nearly 7,000 events?



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SheikOfLaBroquerie:

None of the above scriptures you presented make any mention of Jesus going "down to minister to other Souls in dense pits of Tartarus." Matthew 12:40 and Luke 11:30 both use the comparison of Jonah being in the fish for three days, and compares that account of Jonah with Jesus Christ being in the grave for three days.

The scripture at 2nd Peter 2:4 is the only one that mentions Tartarus, but even then, it makes no mention of Jesus Christ in that verse of scripture. Instead, it informs the reader that the symbolic "Tartarus" is the destination of the demonic angels who rebelled against Jehovah. Below is the account from 2nd Peter 2:4. Notice the word that I printed in all capitals within the quotation.

"Certainly if God did not hold back from punishing the ANGELS that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment;"

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Pamodgal:

It is true that there is Heaven, and the Bible does speak of hell. But what is your understanding of hell? I mean, what kind of place do you believe "hell" to be?


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