clinton...presidential candidate?????

I dont think it gives as broad authorization as the illegal wire tapping Bush was allowing, but I cant find what it allows or doesn't allow!

Do you? Do you know the specifics?
They said it was a blind vote. I dont think they should have allowed it to be that way, but like I said I think there was some kind of deal cut between the parties!
From what I read it gives the telecom companies immunity for past violations, and they had heated debates over some of the rules, but that's all I can find!
There weren't many who voted nay though!
What can you do? I'm still voting for Obama too. I'm disappointed but what can you do?

Fanta,

Just read it.

I guess it is pretty similar.

Maybe not as critical, but similar.


Similar to what?

Not as critical as what?

You're not making sense! Its pretty damning to me about McConfused and Gramm!
He didnt fire Gramm, and he said the same thing at least three times since April!
What else do you need?

My family, friends and myself were Hillary supporters. We are now backing Obama. To vote for McCain is unthinkable to us.

I cant find out what is contained in the bill.
They said 70 of the senators weren't even told. (top secret)
Supposedly they voted in the blind.
All I can find is the part about the amnesty for the telecom companies.
I didn't spend a lot of time looking, but I suspect there was a deal cut so the Dems could get something they wanted!

I' was going to look more later and didn't want to comment before then!
Does anyone know what was in the bill?
I mean the specifics. I know it was about surveillance, but what are the rules?

Read all my posts hiker!
McCain has said the same thing several times in the last few months.
Go to the first link I gave and read the whole story!
I just posted a paragraph or two!

I doubt Obama has anything to do with where his T-shirts are made

In an interview with the Washington Times, McCain's top economic adviser Phil Gramm tells America to suck it up and stop complaining about the economy:

"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," he said, noting that growth has held up at about 1 percent despite all the publicity over losing jobs to India, China, illegal immigration, housing and credit problems and record oil prices. "We may have a recession; we haven't had one yet."

"We have sort of become a nation of whiners," he said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline" despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy, he said.


Gramm, whose extensive ties to Enron proved problematic during the firm's implosion several years ago, was serving as a lobbyist for the international banking and subprime mortgage giant UBS until April. As Mother Jones documented, Gramm played a key role in the subprime meltdown during his time in the Senate.

Just yesterday, McCain himself said "I would imagine that we are" in a recession. But he and Gramm are still on the same page: in April McCain said "a lot of our problems today are psychological."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/10/mccain-adviser-americans_n_111857.html

Isnt that nice,
and here I thought it was real!

i lived with my mother for about 7 months... as others may have seen it... she had gotten outta bad situation had little money for rent.. and i let her stay at MY house...till she could find something suitable...one would "assume" that i lived with her in fact she lived with me..

yes i dated a man who lived in his moms house. so did his 2 kids live there....had i not gotten to know him and turned up my nose , i never would of known that yes it was HER house.
facts:1. he paid the bills< all of them>
2.she had cancer really bad
3. he did all the housework and most of the cooking.
4. he did as his dead father wished< to take care of momma>
5. he took her to all her dr appointments
6. he cleaned up her bloody vomit till the day she died.
7. when she died, the house was divided evenly between all 3 kids.<although he had paid all her bills for 3 yrs and the only one who took care of her>

does that make him less of a man? for living with his ma? i think not!!!!! cant get a man better than that!

nope! he needs to grow up and be a man

Too many Nukes pointed in each direction for that!
But, Bush is a danger, and he has weakened our military.
We could lose a lot of ground and Europe could return to the divide that existed for 50 years!
Maybe that's what we need to keep Presidents like Bush from being so aggressive! Its hard to invade little countries like Iraq, Syria, and Iran when you are forced to maintain a half million troops in Europe!
That's just the US commitment!

A few examples of the Republican Majority Congress's Pork spending!
(not like the one more that the Dems have in congress)

For example:


At $286.4 billion, the highway bill just passed by Congress is the most expensive public works legislation in US history. In addition to funding the interstate highway system and other federal transportation programs, it sets a new record for pork-barrel spending, earmarking $24 billion for a staggering 6,376 pet projects, spread among virtually every congressional district in the land.


and


One wonders what more Young could have wanted. The bill funnels upward of $941 million to 119 earmarked projects in Alaska, including $223 million for a mile-long bridge linking an island with 50 residents to the town of Ketchikan on the mainland. Another $231 million is earmarked for a new bridge in Anchorage, to be named -- this is specified in the legislation -- Don Young's Way. There is $3 million for a film ''about infrastructure that demonstrates advancements in Alaska, the last frontier." The bill even doffs its cap to Young's wife, Lu: The House formally called it ''The Transportation Equity Act -- a Legacy for Users," or TEA-LU.


and


Meander through the bill's endless line items and you find a remarkable variety of ''highway" projects, many of which have nothing to do with highways: Horse riding facilities in Virginia ($600,000). A snowmobile trail in Vermont ($5.9 million). Parking for New York's Harlem Hospital ($8 million). A bicycle and pedestrian trail in Tennessee ($532,000). A daycare center and park-and-ride facility in Illinois ($1.25 million). Dust control mitigation for rural Arkansas ($3 million). The National Packard Museum in Ohio ($2.75 million). A historical trolley project in Washington ($200,000).


$24 BILLION in bull**** projects like horse tracks, snowmobile trails, bike trails, and vintage car museums.

When we a) have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan without the proper equipment, b) a House Majority Leader who thinks the budget is so lean there's no fat to cut and c) (biggest of all) a major national disaster to repair.

The GOP used to be all about reining in spending (and cutting taxes). Now they are just about cutting taxes, and giving a free rein to spending (unless it is something that helps people, like the Heritage Foundation's suggestion of cutting Medicare and prescription drug benefits).

I'm sure there is a much better way to spend that $24 billion. Say, in Louisana? And not on historical trolley projects...

http://robschumacher.blogspot.com/2005/09/republican-pork-barrel.html

You are naive, and sounding like a Bush puppet!
Although even he understands not to under estimate Russia's power!
Like I said your generation has no idea about the Cold War or Russia's threat to our security!

FACT — IRAQIS ANTICIPATE TAKING CONTROL OF SECURITY BY 2018:
Iraqi defense minister Abdul Qadir “that his nation would not be able to take full responsibility for its internal security until 2012, nor be able on its own to defend Iraq’s borders from external threat until at least 2018.” [New York Times, 1/15/08]



Election Politics!
The Republicans are desperate and we all know they are not about to tell the truth!

Do you honestly think so much has changed in Iraq in such a short time span?

No, of course not. I was just using a random date as an example to the point I was covering.

Or, like you hear stated in all press time and time again. There is that worry if you state, "Hey, we are fully pulling out on August 1st (for example)", that the enemy will then just sit back and relax waiting for that date when all forces are out and go on a spree. I don't think it likely, but it of course weighs on the strategerists minds. The newsmedia is surely shoving that one down our throats, many with hope it will happen just so they can do a Vietnam-style celebrating of defeat.