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Thats why all the illegals are leaving Colo. 
Arizona has the best laws though!!
They are not effected by the new legislation, just like I said it effected them none, cause we already were giving them nothing. are you saying that if an illegal went to the er they were refused treatment ------ if an illegal has a child born in colorado they do not help said child thus helping the childs parents ------ just need some clarification here When they go to the ER they are billed just like citizens. A child born to illegals can be put on programs but the amount of help for one child is less than 100 dollars. |
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I have a letter here from Heath Schuler that says the State of NC spent 997 million on welfare and services to illegal immigrants. Last year alone! That's like 3 mill shy of 1 billion!! Now that is bull, there is no way in hell that is accurate.  
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n hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm I cannot discount California's costs, they are housing the majority of illegals. So I will not argue those and they are not talking here of welfare and foodstamps and such so I cannot discount this. If they are not doing what others do and count the whole counties cost and make it into an illegal figure then that may be true. i guess it is no longer a victimless crime then 
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But that is the state of California and effects us in the other states none at all. That is the state of Californias issue, not the nations issue. |
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And where are you getting YOUR information from? La Raza? MALDEF? MECHa? The ACLU? I'd rather take the Hamburglar's word over THOSE organizations, as they've got their OWN agendas to press.
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Thats why all the illegals are leaving Colo.
Arizona has the best laws though!!
They are not effected by the new legislation, just like I said it effected them none, cause we already were giving them nothing. are you saying that if an illegal went to the er they were refused treatment ------ if an illegal has a child born in colorado they do not help said child thus helping the childs parents ------ just need some clarification here When they go to the ER they are billed just like citizens. A child born to illegals can be put on programs but the amount of help for one child is less than 100 dollars. do they pay said bill if not who does ---- does said child become eligible for other benefits such as housing food stamps cash medical and also what is the administrative cost of said benefits ---- no longer a victimless crime again |
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And where are you getting YOUR information from? La Raza? MALDEF? MECHa? The ACLU? I'd rather take the Hamburglar's word over THOSE organizations, as they've got their OWN agendas to press. I get my information from working in the Department of Human Services. |
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n hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm I cannot discount California's costs, they are housing the majority of illegals. So I will not argue those and they are not talking here of welfare and foodstamps and such so I cannot discount this. If they are not doing what others do and count the whole counties cost and make it into an illegal figure then that may be true. i guess it is no longer a victimless crime then
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But that is the state of California and effects us in the other states none at all. That is the state of Californias issue, not the nations issue. are you trying to say california gets no federal aid i have to strongly disagree with that |
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According to the 2000 census (which is the last one on the books until 2010) about 1 in 5 adults in America are living with a disability of some kind- that does not make them indigent and puts a percentage of about 20% of people fall into this catagory. with the unemployment rate what it is (5.6 i think) you could argue that those people are indigent as well, which is defined as the unemployed. If you are referring to the homeless people as indigent then the US estimates that there are 754,000 homeless people in America which is a far cry from the estimated 20,000,000 illegal immigrants. Luckily, "indigent's" makes up only 6% of the unpaid healthcare cost in America. Granted many probably do not seek it unless they're on their death beds, which says a lot about the general character of this group, they are hard core people, who dont seek out medical care for the snivels. It is also estimated that hospitals write off over 2 BILLION dollars annually in cost for illegal immagrant healthcare. According to the New York Times health section dated today. the biggest concern for me is the health concerns that are coming into the country carried by illegal immigrants. "Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or "kissing bug disease," is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. The disease also infiltrates America's blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected. Leprosy, also known as Hansen's disease, was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico. Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Mexico. Recently, according to the report, there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb County, Texas, which borders Mexico. Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic fever routinely kills. Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal immigrants as do intestinal parasites, says the report. Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas." anyway, guess it really doesnt matter, there coming and it seems no one really is taking the drain and strain on the US Tax Payer seriously. It is bad enough we fund all these give away welfare programs of one sort or another, but we have been funding illegal immigration as well. One step closer to the socialist utopian experiment that went bad known the world over as Russia. Thank you democrats. Your really not the devil, you are just not as smart as you think you are. This is not accurate at all, but thanks for the effort.
been gone for awhile or else i would have answered this already...IT IS ACCURATE but thanks for the try on discrediting it. Will go further than this, you claim that we NEVER EVER give healthcare and medicare and welfare to illegals....while your statement is true on the federal level it is nt true on the state level which currently hold the burden of these individuals, additionally, states themselves can write of the expenses to the federal government and receive monetary aid to compensate, thus actually leaving the burden back on the tax payers of america,,,,when will you realize that the money in the cofers that goes to pay for these and other "feel good" programs isnt free money, hard working people put that money in there and THEY not the government should decide how it is spent. take your free love hippy ideals that work on paper and not in the real world and go back to reading alice in wonderland. |
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Thats why all the illegals are leaving Colo.
Arizona has the best laws though!!
They are not effected by the new legislation, just like I said it effected them none, cause we already were giving them nothing. are you saying that if an illegal went to the er they were refused treatment ------ if an illegal has a child born in colorado they do not help said child thus helping the childs parents ------ just need some clarification here When they go to the ER they are billed just like citizens. A child born to illegals can be put on programs but the amount of help for one child is less than 100 dollars. do they pay said bill if not who does ---- does said child become eligible for other benefits such as housing food stamps cash medical and also what is the administrative cost of said benefits ---- no longer a victimless crime again Surprisingly they do pay their bills. You would be surprised how many of them pay their bills. These are very hardworking people we are talking about here. They work their asses off for less than citizens do. As for the child, no housing cause the parents are illegal, child is eligible for medicaid if parents income is not too high, child is eligible for foodstamps if parents income is not too high. But benefits for the child is very low. Cause all illegal members of the household can get nothing for themselves, only the citizen can recieve something. If the citizen get something he is in his right as he is a citizen. No crime there. Also you have to remember we count all their work income for these programs and yes they do verify it for us. |
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And where are you getting YOUR information from? La Raza? MALDEF? MECHa? The ACLU? I'd rather take the Hamburglar's word over THOSE organizations, as they've got their OWN agendas to press. I get my information from working in the Department of Human Services. Gee... get your info from the very organization that's GIVING the benefits to the illegals. Real slick. OF COURSE they're gonna say "uh... we aren't giving anything away" because they'd be guilty of FEMA-esque ineptitude if they didn't. |
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n hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm I cannot discount California's costs, they are housing the majority of illegals. So I will not argue those and they are not talking here of welfare and foodstamps and such so I cannot discount this. If they are not doing what others do and count the whole counties cost and make it into an illegal figure then that may be true. i guess it is no longer a victimless crime then
<<<----they are watching
But that is the state of California and effects us in the other states none at all. That is the state of Californias issue, not the nations issue. are you trying to say california gets no federal aid i have to strongly disagree with that No federal monies can be used for illegals, that has been in the laws for a long long time. |
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According to the 2000 census (which is the last one on the books until 2010) about 1 in 5 adults in America are living with a disability of some kind- that does not make them indigent and puts a percentage of about 20% of people fall into this catagory. with the unemployment rate what it is (5.6 i think) you could argue that those people are indigent as well, which is defined as the unemployed. If you are referring to the homeless people as indigent then the US estimates that there are 754,000 homeless people in America which is a far cry from the estimated 20,000,000 illegal immigrants. Luckily, "indigent's" makes up only 6% of the unpaid healthcare cost in America. Granted many probably do not seek it unless they're on their death beds, which says a lot about the general character of this group, they are hard core people, who dont seek out medical care for the snivels. It is also estimated that hospitals write off over 2 BILLION dollars annually in cost for illegal immagrant healthcare. According to the New York Times health section dated today. the biggest concern for me is the health concerns that are coming into the country carried by illegal immigrants. "Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or "kissing bug disease," is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. The disease also infiltrates America's blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected. Leprosy, also known as Hansen's disease, was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico. Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Mexico. Recently, according to the report, there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb County, Texas, which borders Mexico. Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic fever routinely kills. Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal immigrants as do intestinal parasites, says the report. Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas." anyway, guess it really doesnt matter, there coming and it seems no one really is taking the drain and strain on the US Tax Payer seriously. It is bad enough we fund all these give away welfare programs of one sort or another, but we have been funding illegal immigration as well. One step closer to the socialist utopian experiment that went bad known the world over as Russia. Thank you democrats. Your really not the devil, you are just not as smart as you think you are. This is not accurate at all, but thanks for the effort.
been gone for awhile or else i would have answered this already...IT IS ACCURATE but thanks for the try on discrediting it. Will go further than this, you claim that we NEVER EVER give healthcare and medicare and welfare to illegals....while your statement is true on the federal level it is nt true on the state level which currently hold the burden of these individuals, additionally, states themselves can write of the expenses to the federal government and receive monetary aid to compensate, thus actually leaving the burden back on the tax payers of america,,,,when will you realize that the money in the cofers that goes to pay for these and other "feel good" programs isnt free money, hard working people put that money in there and THEY not the government should decide how it is spent. take your free love hippy ideals that work on paper and not in the real world and go back to reading alice in wonderland. I will say it again, no federal monies go for illegals. This has been on the books for a long time and I will thank you to consider I do know what I am talking about on this one. The feds will not regulate if individual states want to put money up to assist with these programs but it is the states burden. Individual states have their own monies and they distribute it how they see fit. Here in Colorado, no illegals get anything from the government, never have and never will. |
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n hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm I cannot discount California's costs, they are housing the majority of illegals. So I will not argue those and they are not talking here of welfare and foodstamps and such so I cannot discount this. If they are not doing what others do and count the whole counties cost and make it into an illegal figure then that may be true. i guess it is no longer a victimless crime then
<<<----they are watching
But that is the state of California and effects us in the other states none at all. That is the state of Californias issue, not the nations issue. are you trying to say california gets no federal aid i have to strongly disagree with that No federal monies can be used for illegals, that has been in the laws for a long long time. so they use the fed money for program c d and f thus devirting the money saved by using fed money for c d and f to the programs for illegals sorry it is not a victimless crime and it effects us all if they were not here illegally their children would not be born here thus becoming a citizen no longer a victimless crime and that is a cost to everyone |
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And where are you getting YOUR information from? La Raza? MALDEF? MECHa? The ACLU? I'd rather take the Hamburglar's word over THOSE organizations, as they've got their OWN agendas to press. I get my information from working in the Department of Human Services. Gee... get your info from the very organization that's GIVING the benefits to the illegals. Real slick. OF COURSE they're gonna say "uh... we aren't giving anything away" because they'd be guilty of FEMA-esque ineptitude if they didn't. I determined who recieved benefits and no illegals get anything from the department of social services here and they never have it is nothing new here.
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n hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm I cannot discount California's costs, they are housing the majority of illegals. So I will not argue those and they are not talking here of welfare and foodstamps and such so I cannot discount this. If they are not doing what others do and count the whole counties cost and make it into an illegal figure then that may be true. i guess it is no longer a victimless crime then
<<<----they are watching
But that is the state of California and effects us in the other states none at all. That is the state of Californias issue, not the nations issue. are you trying to say california gets no federal aid i have to strongly disagree with that No federal monies can be used for illegals, that has been in the laws for a long long time. so they use the fed money for program c d and f thus devirting the money saved by using fed money for c d and f to the programs for illegals sorry it is not a victimless crime and it effects us all if they were not here illegally their children would not be born here thus becoming a citizen no longer a victimless crime and that is a cost to everyone The monies go to a citizen therefore no crime, no cost. |
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Medical care to illegal aliens
"Mexican ambulance drivers are driving their hospital patients who can't pay for medical care in Mexico, to facilities in the United States. They know that the federal Emergency Medical Act mandates that U.S. hospitals with emergency-room services must treat anyone who requires care, including illegal aliens. ------- CAIR - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html so much for no federal money for illegals |
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n hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm I cannot discount California's costs, they are housing the majority of illegals. So I will not argue those and they are not talking here of welfare and foodstamps and such so I cannot discount this. If they are not doing what others do and count the whole counties cost and make it into an illegal figure then that may be true. i guess it is no longer a victimless crime then
<<<----they are watching
But that is the state of California and effects us in the other states none at all. That is the state of Californias issue, not the nations issue. are you trying to say california gets no federal aid i have to strongly disagree with that No federal monies can be used for illegals, that has been in the laws for a long long time. so they use the fed money for program c d and f thus devirting the money saved by using fed money for c d and f to the programs for illegals sorry it is not a victimless crime and it effects us all if they were not here illegally their children would not be born here thus becoming a citizen no longer a victimless crime and that is a cost to everyone The monies go to a citizen therefore no crime, no cost. if they were not here illegally there would be no citizen back to the catch 22 |
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n hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm I cannot discount California's costs, they are housing the majority of illegals. So I will not argue those and they are not talking here of welfare and foodstamps and such so I cannot discount this. If they are not doing what others do and count the whole counties cost and make it into an illegal figure then that may be true. i guess it is no longer a victimless crime then
<<<----they are watching
But that is the state of California and effects us in the other states none at all. That is the state of Californias issue, not the nations issue. are you trying to say california gets no federal aid i have to strongly disagree with that No federal monies can be used for illegals, that has been in the laws for a long long time. so they use the fed money for program c d and f thus devirting the money saved by using fed money for c d and f to the programs for illegals sorry it is not a victimless crime and it effects us all if they were not here illegally their children would not be born here thus becoming a citizen no longer a victimless crime and that is a cost to everyone The monies go to a citizen therefore no crime, no cost. if they were not here illegally there would be no citizen back to the catch 22 This cannot be helped because we have travellers from other countries who have children here and citizenship is automatically given and should be they are born here. You were born here, I was born here, we got citizenship from just being born here noone had to do anything to make us citizens and that is how it should be. |
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Medical care to illegal aliens "Mexican ambulance drivers are driving their hospital patients who can't pay for medical care in Mexico, to facilities in the United States. They know that the federal Emergency Medical Act mandates that U.S. hospitals with emergency-room services must treat anyone who requires care, including illegal aliens. ------- CAIR - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html so much for no federal money for illegals This must have happened once and such a ruckus was made about it that it became an urban legend...lol Doesn't even sound real. |
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Thanks for sharing people. I have seen the other side again. May not have liked it but it is good for a person to see the other side sometimes.
I am off to bed. Good night all 
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