Is Christmas Holy or pagan?

Pagan

it was a pagan holiday that was adopted by the church to make it seem like converting to christianity was a less drastic change from their old religions....

let me guess. you all are pagan..Thats why you will say wwhat it is because they took it from you.. Thanks for sharing...Miles

Holy

Could you explain to me how christmas is Holy? Blessings..Miles

How could it not be holy?

it is holy to many because it is a time to remember Jesus
and his grace and effect on the world

Yahweh said what was holy. Jer:10 read and see if it sounds familiar. Man can not make something Holy. Do you not know it's pagan roots? Did Yahshua not say what does light have to do with darkness? I would stick with his words...Shalom...Miles

So did men or God create December 25th? Do men make the sun rise? Or maybe it's idols that do it?

To me, Christmas has both holy and pagan elements. Miles is right, according to the Scriptures, Jesus never instituted the holiday. However, it is marked by some as a feast day and I think it's never wrong to honor the Lord or what he's done of us and is doing for us. Just think. Without Christmas there wouldn't be a Grinch, Charles Shultz and Jean Sheppherd (sic?)wouldn't have so much money and etc. etc. And we ought to wait until at least July before we start putting up the decoration and playing the carols in the store. Merry Christmas, everybody!

Spider. No yahweh did not make the date dec 25th. The calander startss the year at the 1st new moon sighting after barley has been seen..


yashafox. You are thinking as a man and not what the bible says. These holidays have been replaced by Yahweh's Holy Days. Thier are 3 seasons of these Holy Days. Passover in the spring Pentecost 50 some days later. The fall feasts of the 7th month. Most are not taught them at all. If you read Leviticus 23 you will find all of them.. These feast are so important to Yahweh that he said all Males will come before me at the place that i choose. If not you will be cut off. Now in the OT you was out of Israel. In the NT The Holy Spirit probally i am making a guess..would be taken from you... So why has the church done away with these feast and choosing pagan ones? We are told satan is the g-d of this world. So what would this mean satan could do. If the word of Yahweh ......and the Holy Spirit is what gives you power and protection. My guess is Satan would try his best to get rid of what Yahweh is really telling us.But Yahweh is still in control and his sheep hear his voice and another they will not follow.. It is up to the individual to search out the scriptures and see if they align up OT to NT.... Blessings...Miles

Ps 118. What day is he talking about? The Sabbath that is wwhy thier is singing and rejoicing the day Yahweh rested and made Holy..

since you did not answer Jer. 10 I will post it and see if anyone can pick this day/time out....

Jer 10:1-12

Hear the word which Yahweh speaks to you, O house of Israel.
2 Thus says Yahweh:
"Do not learn the way of the Gentiles;Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven,For the Gentiles are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the peoples are futile;For one cuts a tree from the forest,The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. 4 They decorate it with silver and gold;They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple. 5 They are upright, like a palm tree,And they cannot speak;They must be carried,Because they cannot go by themselves.Do not be afraid of them,For they cannot do evil,Nor can they do any good."
6 Inasmuch as there is none like You, O Yahweh(You are great, and Your name is great in might), 7 Who would not fear You, O King of the nations?For this is Your rightful due.For among all the wise men of the nations,And in all their kingdoms,There is none like You. 8 But they are altogether dull-hearted and foolish;A wooden idol is a worthless doctrine. 9 Silver is beaten into plates;It is brought from Tarshish,And gold from Uphaz,The work of the craftsmanAnd of the hands of the metalsmith;Blue and purple are their clothing;They are all the work of skillful men. 10 But the Lord is the true Elohim;He is the living Elohim and the everlasting King.At His wrath the earth will tremble,And the nations will not be able to endure His indignation.
11 Thus you shall say to them:"The mighty ones that have not made the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under these heavens."
12 He has made the earth by His power,
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Don't be like this. Learn what Yahweh says is Holy and not man. If you do he will come upon you like a thief in the night. Blessings...Miles

Ps 118. What day is he talking about? The Sabbath that is wwhy thier is singing and rejoicing the day Yahweh rested and made Holy..

since you did not answer Jer. 10 I will post it and see if anyone can pick this day/time out....

Jer 10:1-12

Hear the word which Yahweh speaks to you, O house of Israel.
2 Thus says Yahweh:
"Do not learn the way of the Gentiles;Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven,For the Gentiles are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the peoples are futile;For one cuts a tree from the forest,The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. 4 They decorate it with silver and gold;They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple. 5 They are upright, like a palm tree,And they cannot speak;They must be carried,Because they cannot go by themselves.Do not be afraid of them,For they cannot do evil,Nor can they do any good."
6 Inasmuch as there is none like You, O Yahweh(You are great, and Your name is great in might), 7 Who would not fear You, O King of the nations?For this is Your rightful due.For among all the wise men of the nations,And in all their kingdoms,There is none like You. 8 But they are altogether dull-hearted and foolish;A wooden idol is a worthless doctrine. 9 Silver is beaten into plates;It is brought from Tarshish,And gold from Uphaz,The work of the craftsmanAnd of the hands of the metalsmith;Blue and purple are their clothing;They are all the work of skillful men. 10 But the Lord is the true Elohim;He is the living Elohim and the everlasting King.At His wrath the earth will tremble,And the nations will not be able to endure His indignation.
11 Thus you shall say to them:"The mighty ones that have not made the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under these heavens."
12 He has made the earth by His power,
NKJV
Don't be like this. Learn what Yahweh says is Holy and not man. If you do he will come upon you like a thief in the night. Blessings...Miles

You are talking about the Old Testament. The Messiah was born. He is Christ, The Lord. We celebrate our own birthdays, we should rejoice that the Savior was born.
Again, Passover is Old Testament. At the last supper with Jesus' apostles, they were celebrating Passover and a new order was given down from Jesus. There is no need to celebrate Passover, because the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world will be crucified. That replaces the Passover Feast, if you believe Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb of God.
Old testament is Jewish history. They did not accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah. They are stuck in history and I cry when I think that they are still waiting for the one who came among us 2000 yrs ago.
There is a progression. Christians cannot read only the Old Testament. The New Testament teaches that the Messiah did come, so, we celebrate His birth. We rejoice!!

My Christmas celebration is not about stores and carols and presents, but, rather, I am giving thanks and praying that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, has been born.

Is the Messiah your example? Blessings..Miles

Miles,

Open your Bible to Romans 14. Read it. What you are doing is wrong, it's there in black and white. You have no right to judge which days should be held in esteem by Christians. If one Christian considers a day holy, then it is for him/her.



Don't get angry. Don't come back with any arguments. Read Romans 14. Show us that you can discern the truth, rather than repeat yourself like a parrot.

Thanks you made this one easy. since it is the same as the post on easter.. I have said this before I am not judging you Yahshua has been given that job. I am though telling you the truth. If you are warring in your heart and mind. Then maybe you should just relax and ask Yahweh what is truth. He will show you if you ask him with a humble heart. He has promiced he would..



Rom 14:1-4

Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for Yahweh has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Yahweh is able to make him stand.
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Again you do not understand the scriptures. This is speaking about eating and they knew what they could or could not. Consecrated by Yahweh...This is talking about judging a man for what Yahweh has said is good. Do not despice him. Gen 1:29 is all that was eaten for a long time. So eating so as the command says is fine..Appearently too is this person was a servant that was away from his master when he was eating. They were getting on to him. Yet Yahshua said the master is not greater than the servant. paul was reminding them of this. this is no big mystery or scripture. You have just been brainwashed too long. How many times now have you said you can not pick and choose claiming me wrong and then I show you with scripture how you do not understand? Leave your tradititions alone. This makes you the very pharasees that Yahshua called Vipers. Why do you fight a futile battle? Truth always prevails. Shalom...Miles