In a civilized nation you don't need to, you have laws.

Thinking that since you own a glock or whatever else "the government" will be somewhat more respectful of you is ridicolous. Besides the fact that you need much more firepower to do anything is the economy the tool to drive and steer the masses, not guns.

I agree that they are beautiful pieces of technology, and nor dangerous by themselves, but they are nothing more than another "product" you like to buy, marketed and advertised as such. Nothing more. You don't NEED them you WANT them.

I don't have a gun and I'm free all the same..keep yours but don't think you're a sort of super hero or freedom defender just because you can go BANG...

They'll get you speculating on mortgages, raising the price pf gas until you can't drive anymore or closing your son's school. Not with guns.

JMO

well they are pricing you out of the market

you are correct

but if you think

that they would not use force

if there were no guns

i would have to strongly disagree

but yes i have used those same statements

but not as a reason to not have guns

How many guns you need to stop a SWAT team? And for how long?
Come on.
You like them I like them too, just as I like a new snowboard. It's a PRODUCT that you buy, nothing more.
You still go to jail or die even if you own a cal50 sniper rifle.
If the "governemt" want to stop you you need MUCH MORE than a gun.

If this was true.......why are certain people in our government trying to take them away? Why did Hitler take them away? Face it......you are free because of all the rest of us that have guns.
If they take away the our right to own firearms it won't be long before they take other rights away as well. Heck, by the reasoning of some of the anti-gun people around here there should be a lot more deaths by gun. But the truth is......you are safer with a gun in the house than you are crossing the road.

Sure
Now tell me what are you going to do with your gun when you're unemployed, broke and sick without medical help. Shoot yourself?
They do it so you focus on that while they make deals on the real issues.
I am not anti gun, I can't care less if you own one or not, I'm just saying it's not going to save your ass against "the government"

1 armed citizen against the U.S. government = worthless. 60 million armed citizens against the U.S. government = very effective at the very least

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Dude you're a military yourself? WTF?
very effective for what? 20 minutes? Against what? Trained soldiers? Tanks? C-130 spectre? tac Nukes? Mines? Frag bombs?
Gas at 6 bucks a gallon? lol

come on. Be serious.

There are over 80 million gun owners in the country. The National Rifle Assn. is tied for 3rd place with the NFIB as being the most effective lobby in Washington.

Don't tell me that the government isn't paying attention to us. And I own my own business. You might lose your job and go broke. But I won't. And the army will not go up against American citizens on our soil. The thing is....there won't be any army. The army will be on our side.
Also.....using your method.....won't work. Who will pay taxes to support the government?

I am just answering who thinks that since you have a gun the government is afraid of you..nothing more.
It's not a "method" (??) it's my opinion

Ask the Japanesse. In World War Two there was a Sub right off the San Francisco Bay crusing up and down the Northern CA coast. The Sub Captain Didn't send a a boat to shore....he could have...no one knew he was out there...the sub captain was concerned that there was going to be a farmer behind every tree with a shotgun.

Besides...like I said before. The army won't attack American citizens. They would turn on their own government before that happened.

So what your GGdad sunk a jap sub with his shotgun? Are you serious? That story is hilarious.
It was a movie actually " 1941" with John Belushi Loved it.

APOLOGIES!

it's actually kind of true

http://www.historynet.com/air_sea/amphibious_operationss/3031936.html?featured=y&c=y

not exactly as you put it but close.

I find it hard to believe that soldiers would kill citizens on any large scale. In fact most of the tanks and planes would be out the the equation without soldiers to run it. And i REALLY don't see Washington launching a nuke it it's own country just because a revolution started.

We are also not saying that we would necesarily win either, nor would we get everyone to stand up at once. The ownership of firearms is a deterant for Tyranny not a prevention. This is why the first thing every major dictator does is disarm the populace.

I never said anything about anyone killing a sub with a shotgun. Read it again.
When they interviewed the sub captain he said he was concerned about armed citizens. He also said something about a farmer behind every tree with a shotgun.

The point is....we don't have to worry about government sending out our own troops to fight aganst us. Even if they did.....I can hit a 9 inch paper plate with my deer rifle from 0 to 500 yards. Do you know how many deer hunters there are in the USA? Most of us have guns bigger than most of the soldiers would have. And we are better shots. We won't have to face tanks and all that other stuff. Talk to a foot soldier and ask him what he thinks about snipers. Look up snipers during the Vietnam war. You will be impressed at what you learn.
How do you think a citizen would go up against an army?

More wisdom from the Founding Fathers:

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
-Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [ I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}


"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
-George Washington

I said the same thing!

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THE EXPERTS AGREE GUN CONTROL WORKS.
.. Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Hitler......


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.... 20 minutes? try 25 years. gorilla warfare brought to you by 80M rednecks and other assorted misc. pissed off Americans.
SAFETY TIP:
"They" cant be everywhere. Everywhere means in every shed, under every culvert, every living room..... in every crawlspace......
Please realise also how many armed people there actually are HERE... ....... 50- 80x more more than in any other standing army! we have them VASTLY OUTNUMBERED AND YALL WANT TO FOLD?????

You're failing to see that it would involve a different style of warfare.

WMD use would be ineffective & impractical.
Think partisans, guerrillas, sticky-bombs, homemade flamethrowers, IEDs, 82mil deer rifles with scopes (based on average sales), 26mil+ veterans with at least basic military training. As of the year 2000, conservative estimates were that nearly half the households in America were armed with at least one firearm, with about 258mil weapons in hand (Nat'l Academy of Sciences review). The estimate on full-auto weaponry, according to 1999 BATFE data, (non-criminal owned), is 14%; that's over 3.6mil full-auto weapons in civilian hands.

No, I really don't think it would be a good idea to piss off the American people, do you?

Is the government afraid of us? Absolutely.

Let's keep it that way.

Want to read something amazing about how another government handles gun control? Check this out:

http://pages.prodigy.net/vanhooser/the_swiss_and_their_guns.htm

did you noot see the to robbers in california

shot two or 3 officers

held swat at bay for hours

2 of them

and i feel if this was a liberty issue

their would be a few more than two hopefully

and if their is not then maybe the two are in the wrong

and that was a daylight robbery

gorilla actions

would make a bike difference

when up against larger force you must use hit and run

after all they are fight pretty good in irag and afganistan

you use what ya got till ya take better ones from the enemy

<<<<--------hope they are not watching

well hopefully a lot of those soldgers with equipment will
live up to their oath

and defend the constitution of the united states

rather than fire on their employer