Topic: Why did we go to war Daddy?
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Fri 02/15/08 07:03 PM


madisonman,

Iraq wasn't allowed to own any WMDs or WMD technology. It doesn't matter how old it was, it's still illegal.

And on the list of reasons given to go to war with Iraq...WMDs was #8.

And Saddam and his sons were brutalizing the Iraqi people.

Do you support torture, so long as it's Iraqis torturing Iraqis?
your argument is meaningless for the purposes of our discusion being that the old wmds found burried in the desert left over from the IRan/Iraq war were not usable and more than likely sold to Iraq by the west or america itself. And as far as torture goes it seems america supported Saddam all through the worst of his attrociteis for decades. Most Americans have probably forgotten this little fact but I can assure you the rest of the world does not suffer from mass amnesia. But again as the original article at the top of this thread points out this war is insanity


Maybe you forget, but when the US helped Saddam, it was because he was the lesser of two evils. The US helped Saddam in hopes of stopping Iran.

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Fri 02/15/08 07:06 PM



madisonman,

Iraq wasn't allowed to own any WMDs or WMD technology. It doesn't matter how old it was, it's still illegal.

And on the list of reasons given to go to war with Iraq...WMDs was #8.

And Saddam and his sons were brutalizing the Iraqi people.

Do you support torture, so long as it's Iraqis torturing Iraqis?
your argument is meaningless for the purposes of our discusion being that the old wmds found burried in the desert left over from the IRan/Iraq war were not usable and more than likely sold to Iraq by the west or america itself. And as far as torture goes it seems america supported Saddam all through the worst of his attrociteis for decades. Most Americans have probably forgotten this little fact but I can assure you the rest of the world does not suffer from mass amnesia. But again as the original article at the top of this thread points out this war is insanity


Maybe you forget, but when the US helped Saddam, it was because he was the lesser of two evils. The US helped Saddam in hopes of stopping Iran.
yes just another in the long list of dictators we supported and then betrayed.......what a track record our country has. It doesnt pay to be an ally of umerika does it?

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Fri 02/15/08 07:17 PM


Q: Daddy, didn't we find several caches of WMD in Iraq?
A: Yes we did.
Q: Why do people still say we didn't?
A: Because they are either stupid or lying.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

But this is the funniest thing I have seen in weeks you post this and say someone is either stupid or lying and I find the artilce and even find were fox news corrects itself and says oops bad info........retracts the story and acts like it never happened.......well what can I say to all that except here is the link again incase you forgot to check my sources.........http://mediamatters.org/items/200606230005
I am still waiting for a commentdrinker

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Fri 02/15/08 07:26 PM
lot of truth in that little dialog.

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Fri 02/15/08 07:32 PM
I have already said plenty of times before since when do we care about dictators who punish their own for their own purposes. It is too bad that the American people bought the snow job they got from Bush. If only they would have sat back for a minute and remembered our past, they would have realized we don't care about dictators unless they threaten us or one of our allies and even then it is questionable. Sure we went in to Germany after hitler but even that was because he was wrecking havock throughout Europe. We do not go after dictators and we do not DEMOCRACIZE the world, we never have. But Americans bought it lock stock and barrel in their vengeful lust for blood for 9/11. WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF WHAT THIS MAN HAS TURNED US INTO!!!!

We have illegally occupied a sovereign nation over 9/11. Oh yea, I know the snow job he gave us but that is what he used to motivate the people and we sucked it up like a sponge.

We did not go to Iraq for alqeida, we did not go to Iraq for bin laden, we did not go to Iraq for the axis of evil, we did not go to Iraq for saving the Iraqis, we did not go to Iraq because we are the great DEMOCRICIZERS, so what the hell did we go there for?????? WMD, well we knew during the Clinton time in office when we had Saddam's brother in law that the WMDs were disassembled and moved for the inspections that happened then so we knew that. Or at least our government did. So what the hell did we go to Iraq for? Saddam but he was what he was for a long long time before 9/11 so what did he have to do with 9/11??? All you had to do was ask these questions and you would have the answer. We went to Iraq because of babyshrubs sick agendas. That is what we are dying for daily. babyshrubs sick agenda is killing our young people everyday.

Oh yea and WHERE THE HELL IS THE PERPETRATOR OF 9/11?????

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Fri 02/15/08 07:42 PM
Edited by madisonman on Fri 02/15/08 07:51 PM

I have already said plenty of times before since when do we care about dictators who punish their own for their own purposes. It is too bad that the American people bought the snow job they got from Bush. If only they would have sat back for a minute and remembered our past, they would have realized we don't care about dictators unless they threaten us or one of our allies and even then it is questionable. Sure we went in to Germany after hitler but even that was because he was wrecking havock throughout Europe. We do not go after dictators and we do not DEMOCRACIZE the world, we never have. But Americans bought it lock stock and barrel in their vengeful lust for blood for 9/11. WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF WHAT THIS MAN HAS TURNED US INTO!!!!

We have illegally occupied a sovereign nation over 9/11. Oh yea, I know the snow job he gave us but that is what he used to motivate the people and we sucked it up like a sponge.

We did not go to Iraq for alqeida, we did not go to Iraq for bin laden, we did not go to Iraq for the axis of evil, we did not go to Iraq for saving the Iraqis, we did not go to Iraq because we are the great DEMOCRICIZERS, so what the hell did we go there for?????? WMD, well we knew during the Clinton time in office when we had Saddam's brother in law that the WMDs were disassembled and moved for the inspections that happened then so we knew that. Or at least our government did. So what the hell did we go to Iraq for? Saddam but he was what he was for a long long time before 9/11 so what did he have to do with 9/11??? All you had to do was ask these questions and you would have the answer. We went to Iraq because of babyshrubs sick agendas. That is what we are dying for daily. babyshrubs sick agenda is killing our young people everyday.

Oh yea and WHERE THE HELL IS THE PERPETRATOR OF 9/11?????
He isnt in Iraqhuh

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Sat 02/16/08 01:00 PM
Why Did we go to War Daddy? Mr Madisonman: I think that is a perfect example of the ignorance and corruptness and reasoning of the people(Zionists )(favor Israel over the US)(TALMUDISTS)(SATANISTS) running this country today!

But, I would like to add a little to that nice enlightening article: Our little puppet man in Iraq(Hussein)Did not like the Zionists and their federal reserve money system, so he changed over to selling oil for Euros. That brought the Israeli and American bombers to Iraq on the double,(Remember our marines protect our corporations in all these wars) But on other pretenses. Also good to keep in mind that Israel's main business is WAR equipment and the ONE WORLD ORDER, so I have readlaugh laugh :wink: :smile: , and I have reason to believe that ,that is the case. Russia threw the SOVIETS (Communists) (TALMUDISTS) out of Russia(now is a Christian nation), and so many of them came here(many, many to New York City)(by the plane load)(Jew York) , some to England, and some to Israel. These are money people in high places(crooks), that is why Russia would like to put some of them on trial for all kinds of crimes. I think they still plan on putting them on trial,one way or another. But they have to capture them first. I figure they will get all of them before it is over. This is all tied together since the Garden of Eden , maybe even before that. It is called good against evil (SATAN's people against God's people) SATAN trying to take over the world(ONE WORLD ORDER under Zionism)( Also the UN ORGANIZATION under Zionists) That is why the UN is in jew York) There are many, many organizations working for the Zionist cause. Why did we go to war in Iraq Daddy? It is just part of the scheme of Talmudists to take over the World. (SATAN's people against God's people.) It is that SIMPLE!!! IF the people could figure this out ,RON PAUL, and DENNIS Kuccinich, and people like that (Constitutionalists) would be in our next govt.(God's govt) as opposed to what we now have in there.

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Sat 02/16/08 01:06 PM
Just one quote,
mad explode
"if you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them"

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Sat 02/16/08 01:08 PM

Just one quote,
mad explode
"if you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them"
I guese my way of supporting the troops is to keep them out of Illegal and unessary wars. I have my honorable discharge by the way

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Sat 02/16/08 01:40 PM


Just one quote,
mad explode
"if you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them"
I guese my way of supporting the troops is to keep them out of Illegal and unessary wars. I have my honorable discharge by the way

let me guess...air force?

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Sat 02/16/08 01:51 PM
Army laugh

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Sat 02/16/08 04:49 PM
check the source of madisons latest manifesto... are you aware tha archie bunkers charactor, was played by carrol oconner, who was at one time the president of the communist party usa, and has always been active in thier movements?
the charactor Archie bunker was designed to make traditional values look foolish, but most people in the know believe it had the opposite effect in actuality. anyway, considering the source of this article, it aint worth reading.

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Sat 02/16/08 06:13 PM
WISE person once said: "A fool learns from his experience. An intelligent person learns from the experience of others." To which one could add: "And an idiot does not even learn from his own experience."

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Mon 02/18/08 04:22 AM

Army laugh

Ha Ha I knew somthing look wrong about you. Listen this is the most twisted piece of sh*t ive ever seen. If you would have learned anything from the military it should have been pic you targets carefully and dont bite off more than you can chew. I may not have served but my info comes straight from a ex us marine that is curently serving in the army. Even if you were an army grunt you aint seen nothin yet.

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Mon 02/18/08 06:08 AM
And an idiot does not even learn from his own experience."



mad...is that a confession?...laugh

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Mon 02/18/08 07:35 AM


(and the U.S. Invasion of Iraq)




LINDYY SAYS:

The number of US military killed in Viet Nam - 58,226.:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Who sent our military there - DEMOCRAT JOHN F. KENNEDY:angry:

Who brought our troops home - REPUBLICAN RICHARD M. NIXON:heart:


DADDY WHY DID WE HAVE TO GO TO WAR IN VIET NAM frown

Welcome to Vietnam War.com

The Vietnam War was the longest military conflict in U.S. history. The hostilities in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia claimed the lives of more than 58,000 Americans.
Another 304,000 were wounded.

In 1965 (DEMOCRAT JOHN F. KENNEDY:angry: ) the United States sent in troops to prevent the South Vietnamese government from collapsing. (And, today's democrats want us to 'cut and run' from Iraq.mad :angry: ) (Lindyy's emphasis)

During the conflict, approximately 3 to 4 million Vietnamese on both sides were killed, in addition to another 1.5 to 2 million Lao and Cambodians who were drawn into the war.

No event in American history is more misunderstood than the Vietnam War. It was misreported then, and it is misremembered now. --Richard M. Nixon, 1985

The Vietnam War was the longest and most unpopular war in which Americans ever fought. (Thank you Hanoi Jane and John Kerry for disgracing our troops and aiding and abetting the enemy, oh I have not forgotten what those 2 did.explode explode explode ) (Lindyy's emphasis). And there is no reckoning the cost. The toll in suffering, sorrow, in rancorous national turmoil can never be tabulated. No one wants ever to see America so divided again. And for many of the more than two million American veterans of the war, the wounds of Vietnam will never heal.brokenheart brokenheart

58,226 Americans lost their lives. brokenheart brokenheart

The losses to the Vietnamese people were appalling. The financial cost to the United States comes to something over $150 billion dollars. Direct American involvement began in 1955 with the arrival of the first advisors.

The first combat troops arrived in 1965 (THANK YOU DEMOCRAT JOHN F. KENNEDYexplode )(Lindyy's emphasis) and we fought the war until the cease-fire of January 1973 (THANK YOU REPUBLICAN RICHARD M. NIXON!!:smile: :heart: )(Lindyy's emphasis). To a whole new generation of young Americans today, it seems a story from the olden times.

Vietnam War Timeline
1965-1968 - The Jungle Years
1969-1975 - The Bitter End

:tongue: madman - please read the words of John F. Kennedy:

"Let every nation know, whether, it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival of liberty." -President John F. Kennedy, 1961
(Hmmmm. sounds a bit like President George W. Bush):heart: :heart: (Lindyy's Emphasis)

For those who fight for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.:cry:

Those who have fought for freedom, and have lost it, know a sadness and sense a loss beyond bearing.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Freedom rings loudest for those denied Freedom.:cry:

Vietnam War - Remembering Vietnam - Vietnam War Memorial
:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:
LINDYY LOVES OUR TROOPS. LINDYY IS ETERNALLY GRATEFUL FOR OUR TROOPS.:heart: :heart: :heart:

LINDYY FAITHFULLY VISITS THE WEB SITE ON THE VIET NAM MEMORIAL WALL FOR HER DEAR FRIEND WHO DIED IN HOSTILE FIRE, MULTIPLE SHRAPNEL WOUNDS, AGE 21, DAVID GARTH FINNEGAN. LOVE YOU DAVID!!!:heart: :heart: :heart: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Wall of Honor: Their names are engraved on the black granite of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C. as well as on the hearts of those who love them. They are the 58,226 Americans who paid the supreme sacrifice in the service of their country in Southeast Asia. Zoom in and interactively explore the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall" to see the names of those who gave their lives in defense of the United States of America - We're Proud of You.


LINDYY says::heart:

"Let freedom ring
Let the white dove sing
Let the whole world know that today is the day of a reckoning
Let the weak be strong
Let the right be wrong
Roll the stone away
let the guilty pay
It's Independence Day":heart:



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Mon 02/18/08 08:02 AM

Just one quote,
mad explode
"if you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them"


Lindyy says:

YAHOO, RIGHT ON!!!!!!!

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Mon 02/18/08 08:27 AM
JFK died before we went to war so he did not send troops into Vietnam.....LIE

People who do not know what they are talking about should not defend that which they know not...Dragonesslaugh

We did not go to Iraq for alqeida, we did not go to Iraq for bin laden, we did not go to Iraq for the axis of evil, we did not go to Iraq for saving the Iraqis, we did not go to Iraq because we are the great DEMOCRICIZERS, so what the hell did we go there for?????? WMD, well we knew during the Clinton time in office when we had Saddam's brother in law that the WMDs were disassembled and moved for the inspections that happened then so we knew that. Or at least our government did. So what the hell did we go to Iraq for? Saddam but he was what he was for a long long time before 9/11 so what did he have to do with 9/11??? All you had to do was ask these questions and you would have the answer. We went to Iraq because of babyshrubs sick agendas. That is what we are dying for daily. babyshrubs sick agenda is killing our young people everyday.

Oh yea and WHERE THE HELL IS THE PERPETRATOR OF 9/11?????

AS FOR SUPPORTING THE TROOPS, I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!

It is not the troops fault that an idiot runs our country. So I support them, they are doing the best they can given what they are given to do.

Just because one does not support an illegal war and an idiot leader does not mean they are speaking against the troops at all.


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Mon 02/18/08 08:34 AM
Edited by northrn_yanke on Mon 02/18/08 08:36 AM
JFK died before we went to war so he did not send troops into Vietnam.....LIE


you really need to do a little research before you post...noway

"It was for these reasons alone, that holding the line in Vietnam was essential. It was JFK who increased America's troop number from 500 to 16,000 and he repeatedly insisted that while Vietnam might have been "in the final analysis, their war," American troops were nontheless not there "to see a war lost" and that he totally disagreed with those who were suggesting the idea of a pullout"

I'm sure Linddy will accept your apology graciously...laugh

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Mon 02/18/08 10:43 AM
Hey!! Was not JFK shot on Nov. 22 or 23 in 1963?? Was that just before the Viet Nam War started ?? Kennedy was in there during the so called CUBAN CRISIS. And I think that was another reason Kennedy was shot (coup de taute)(our govt was overthrown the day Kennedy was shot) Lyndon Johnson's Bunch(I think) shot Kennedy(overthrew the govt )and shortly started the Viet Nam WAR(conflict)(more tricky talk).No Kennedy did not start the Viet Nam war, Lyndon Johnson DID!!!That stuff is still classified likely because many of the perpetrators are still living and still in our govt.(the ones who were behind shooting Kennedy)