Demonstrably false. It would take mere seconds to find dozens of examples of various non-Christians making absolute statements of truth. Many are positive statements "god doesn't care about religion" and many are attacking statements "I reject (and even denounce on logical grounds) that the Bible is not the word of God.", but just about every member of these forums make statements of absolute truth, which are based in their own beliefs.

I'm not going to post any quotes to support what I have said. Support is unnecessary in this case, because what you said is so obviously false. In fact, if you look a couple posts up, you will find a series of quotes from Abra, which leave you with egg on your face.

Your bad faith is disturbing. I HAVE NEVER COME ACROSS A POST FROM ABRA WHICH 'DELIVERS THE TRUTH TO THE MASSES' AS YOU DO!!!

Of course Abra speaks his convictions, and EVERYONE is clear that they are HIS CONVICTIONS. NO TWISTING, NO MISLEADING, NO HIDING BEHIND THE ABSURD RETHORICS OF THE INFAMOUS APOLOGETICS ARMY'.

Agreeing or disagreeing with Abra, as is the case with most posters her, is straight and forward. What he states are HIS convictions, AND DO NOT REPRESENT 'THE TRUTH FOR ALL' ever!!!

You don't get it. And it is in your profound nature to deny what is profoundly obvious.

The day you get it, is the day the dialogue all around you, will become rich, constructive and illuminating in the 'TRUEST' sense.

Give up your ineffective and deceitful ways. They don't serve you, they don't serve that which you claim to believe in, and they certainly don't serve the possibility of rich dialogue through 'spirit'.

Voil,

Please post a quote from me, doing WHATEVER it is you think I do. I will then gladly make you look foolish as I post quotes from other forum members that also state the "truth" just as firmly. If you could be honest about this, you would have to admit that nothing I post is any different from Abra, CreativeSoul, Dragoness or any other vocal poster in these forums.

Where have been???

What do you mean, '... please post a quote from me (you)...'!?!?!?

This is what this current off topic 'HIGHJACK' has been addressing : 'hot' and 'fresh' comments from you profoundly confusing what is true for you, and 'the truth'. A I have been saying, YOU TRULY ARE MISSING THE POINT COMPLETELY.

Do you pay any attention to what is posted from others?!?!? It is an essential part of 'elevating the dialogue', as you seem willing to start considering.

Anyhow, in the spirit of being a good sport, I offer you this compromise. I will not waste my time pasting past quotes, but I will suggest you start with this qintessential quote of yours:

"My beliefs are the truth".

That is a whopper of an example of what I mean you do, and probably the 'viral' and pererted thought, contaminating the rest.

Also, re-visit the numerous posts since (Sat 02/09/08 11:33 PM, yours). Read them in 'good faith' this time. You will find all the '... quote(s) from me (you), doing WHATEVER it is you (I) think I (you) do...'

Give-up the 'warring' delusion. You will be surprised how effortlessly high level of rich and enlightening dialogues can take place without the delusion of 'US' against 'THEM', primitive and barbarian warring instincts.


Again, come from 'spirit' instead!!!

I will do just as you ask. And I thank you for making it easy for me because I only needed to go back one page to get the perfect quote form you to show precisely what Voil and I are trying to get you to see.



There you go Spider, your very own words in BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS just as YOU formatted them.

Voileazur, CreativeSou, Dragnoness and myself speak for ourselves. We share our personal perspective on things.

Who do YOU claim to speak for? CHRISTIANITY IN ALL CAPS!.

Ever since you have been here you have been acting like you are the spokesperson for God himself!

And like I keep trying to get through to you therein lies the difference.

You don’t even attempt to claim that your views on Christianity are your own personal views. You make every effort to claim that you speak for Christianity and that you speak for God!.

You are always posting scriptures along with your personal interpretations of them and trying to pass that off as being carved in stone to represent Christianity and the desired interpretation of God himself!

You aren’t just merely offering your thoughts on Christianity with the acceptance that others may interpret things differently. You try to pass off your view of Christianity as being the absolutely only possible interpretation and truth.

And it shows in your own BOLD PRINT WORDS right here. You are claiming to be preaching the indisputatble interpretation of Christianity!



You’re basically claiming to speak for God Spider.

Why you can’t see your blaspheme is beyond me. You’re a hopeless case. Furthermore, if becoming a Christian means that I would need to agree with your personal interpretations of things, or take on your behavior, I’ll gladly pass.

I'd like to know who appointed you as the Pope of Christianity?

You give the religion a much more negative appearance than anyone who voices their disbelief that the Bible is the word of God.

You all need to get out and get some fresh air.........


The original question:

Did God create evil

ANSWER

NO NO NO NO

AND NO

AND JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED

NO



So what the heck is all the debate on.....

Abracadabra,

Christianity is an organized religion composed of many denominations. What I have posted is some of the most commonly shared beliefs between those denominations. I don't claim to speak for all Christianity. What I say is my words, but they are the beliefs of millions. Unlike you, I didn't create my own religion, I belong to one with a rich history of great thinkers, on whose backs I stand. You pretend that all Christians have completely different beliefs, that's not true. Most protestant Christians agree on these things. The World Council of Churches has 550 million members, I doubt that any of their churches would disagree with my posts in this thread. You really need to stop pretending that Christians are so divided. The most differences you are going to see are in churches that reject the Nicene Creed (Mormon, JWs) and those aren't considered Christian.

What do you call someone who does one thing and then judges others for doing the same thing? Oh yeah, hypocrite.

"God doesn't care about religion"
--Abra, God's spokesman

Gets my vote

You're in serious denial Spider.

Everyone who reads my posts knows these are my own personal opinions.

You claim absolutes all the time. Constantly. And you claim that your absolutes are God’s absolutes

Don’t even try to compare my personal views with your absolute blaspheme.

Do you think people on this forum are stupid Spider? They see through you like a plate glass window.

Just in case you missed it honey God already confessed in his book.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

God's very own words.

"Spider, I get the benefit of the doubt, you don't."



"Spider, when I make statements of absolute fact, everyone understands it's my belief. But when you make statements of absolute belief, we all know you are trying to force your beliefs on us, even though you deny that and you are only doing EXACTLY what I do."

Again, you're in serious denial Spider.

You claim absolutes all the time. Constantly. And you claim that your absolutes are God’s absolutes


There's no 'benefit of the doubt' due you!

You claim to speak for Christianity in terms of absolutes!

What's to doubt???

Like I say, Spider, you're in some serious denial here.

I have a friend who is the most fundamental bible thumper I have ever known, she used to be a witness for Jehovah, but left that denomination. Now she has her own I guess. Anyway, I spent countless hours in heated debate with her via email and clubs and still we remained "friends." Still, she felt she could save my soul.

I learned an important lesson from her though. I learned how she and other people like her think. Trust me, they will probably never "get it" or see themselves or be convinced otherwize.

An yet, they must doubt their own beliefs and they are puzzled why everyone does not agree with them. This fact worries them because they feel if they have the truth, everyone should be able to see it too. They feel they can convince others. They use the Bible as their "proof" as if that is the final word.

The Bible is not the final word. It is only proof to other Christians. It is not proof to true seekers.

They seek validation for themselves. They form groups and churches and surround them selves with people who validate their beliefs.

They are seen sometimes a fanatics to others. It is just a phase they are going through. I remember I went through that phase too when I was involved in some other belief system. It was hard to get over that.

A change in a core belief system can be very damaging and difficult. When it happened to me I was physically sick for three months. I could not get out of bed. I was racked with pain, had viruses and skin rashes.

I got over it. Now I am better. We all grow up eventually

Jeannie

I disagree that you stand on the backs of millions. I know christians who do not feel as you do on many of your concepts. And I do not surround myself with christians so if I run into those who disagree with your perceptions then there must be alot of them.

You assume too much. For one that I speak anyone elses truth. I never assume to speak anothers truth. Truth is subjective to each person regardless to religion. I speak how I have seen things and what I have understood and mostly my end result of analysis.

Christians to not have a monopoly on truth or divine intention, sorry if that offends but they do not. They have what they choose to believe and it is cool for them to believe it. It is not everyones truth and each christian has their own interpretation of this christian truth anyway. So even in themselves they differentiate.

And mostly, what gives you the right to feel that you are right? You sit throwing rocks at others while you live in a very glass house. Christianity is not the one true religion, they are a religion of thousands of others who are just as right as they are. In truth none of them know anything for sure they are basing their knowledge on others theories and ethical conclusions. They are not the all knowing while all the rest of us are the lost. Even if they do teach it that way.

I was raised both catholic and baptist, had lots of study and teachings so I do know about these religions. I understand that they teach they are the truth and the light, etc.... but all religions teach that same concept so their members will feel just in their beliefs. None of them are any better or more heaven worthy then the other.

Dammit! Fine!.....

I DID IT! OK???

I'm the one that created evil.

Whew... Had to get that off my chest.

I feel better now.

Once everyone can admit that, the world will be a better place.

OH NO! I MADE A STATEMENT OF WHAT I BELIEVE! RUN! RUN! THE MORALITY SQUAD IS COMING WITH THEIR TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS TO HUNT ME DOWN FOR THE CRIME OF "DOING WHAT THEY DO".

You're too late. God already confessed over 2000 years ago.

Unless, of course, you're a lot older than you look in your pic.

QUICK! To the general discussion boards! They will never find us there!!!

There's no 'benefit of the doubt' due you!

You claim to speak for Christianity in terms of absolutes!

What's to doubt???

Like I say, Spider, you're in some serious denial here.



You do no different. You tell us what God likes and dislikes. You tell us that Christianity is wrong, that Jesus was a pantheist. You make statements of absolute truth frequently. Why can't you just admit that? I can freely admit that I make statements of absolute fact. They are based in my beliefs as a Christian. WHY CAN'T YOU BE HONEST?