My point exactly, any of this is so far from actual reality

Makes me sick..Literally

I think that their beliefs are silly, but it's their right to believe how they want to. My problem is, as I said earlier, that they have some very dangerous and sometimes illegal practices.

Never trust a religion founded by a science fiction writer only four years after he tells potential writers that they will never make money writing for pennies a word. If they really want to make money, they should create their own religion.

What I dont get? How do you just "make" a religion?

What site is a christian dating site?

Trust me, for a writer, not as hard as you would think. Especially if you start trying to look into it and research it.

Especially not for a sci-fi writer. Sci-fi and fantasy writer have been inventing religions for their stories for a long time.

That is just sick, even sicker that people would follow

Here is a web addrss to some of the FBI files on Scientology.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/legal/legal.htm




To those who say it's just a "media" thing.

I don't understand what you are saying here- do you mean that none of the media anywhere are reliable at all? What "actual sources" would you accept then?

It seems to me that you are saying people should only accept what they personally have experienced? Am I misunderstanding you?

In my opinion, it's nothing more than a over rated pyramid scam.

you are quoting south park.... to prove a point... well on south park they also have talking sh*t and stevie nicks is a goat... nice to see where you get your intellectual stimulation.

do you think that maybe scientologist are angry because people think they believe in aliens and that is why they sue for slander as it can ruin lives of profesional individulals and put their parenthood in jeapardy?

They don't sue for slander which is making someone seem like a fool. They sue for copyright which is to say we are the only people that can use that information.

FBI site huh...it's the same one that that other guy quoted... and the FBI doesn't publish their info sorry...

I didn't say it was an FBI sight. I said they were FBI files. Very interesting how it is hard for you to speak the truth.

the media is a business and scandal sells, yes, there are reliable NON PARTIAL media sources, but none of them have been quoted or sited here. The New York Times has been sued for their "fact checkers" not checking their facts on more occasions than the courts can even keep up with. The news media used to be impartial, it no longer is now that their focus is on profit and not actual news.

from the net...


Nor has Scientology been very consistent in its claims. As recently as 1994, it has claimed that Hubbard received 29 awards ("The Church of Scientology: 40th Anniversary", 1994). Hubbard himself claimed 27 medals. In an unsuccessful attempt to obtain from the US Navy the medals to which he believed he was entitled but had not received, he ordered his staff to write to the Navy to request his medals. His claims were detailed in Flag Operations Liaison Memo of May 28, 1974 (the list is considerably different to that circulated by Scientology today):

Navy Commendation Medal with 1 Bronze Star.
Purple Heart.
Naval Reserve Medal.
Organized Marine Corps Reserve Medal.
(British) The 1939-45 War Medal.
(French) Medaille Commemorative Française 1939-45.
(Netherlands) Bronzen Kruis.
Philippine Defence with 3 Silver Stars.
American Defence Service Medal with 1 Bronze Star.
American Campaign Medal with 2 Bronze Stars.
Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal with 2 Bronze Stars.
European African Middle Eastern Campaign Medal (ETO Medal) with 1
Bronze Star.
WWII Victory Medal.
National Defence Medal.
Armed Forces Reserve Medal.
Navy Expert Rifleman.
Navy Expert Pistol Shot.

In reply, the Navy observed that Hubbard's service record showed that he had only been awarded four decorations - the American Defense Service Medal, American Campaign Medal, Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal and World War 2 Victory Medal - and sent only those four medals back to the Church of Scientology.

The purported notice of separation distributed by Scientology does not appear in Hubbard's US Navy file. Instead, a quite different document is present. The only known source for the first document is the Church of Scientology. Irrespective of the document's or the Church's merits, this in itself is enough to cast suspicion on its authenticity. The US Navy document at least has an auditable trail - we know where it has been (in the possession of the US Navy), we know who produced it (the Bureau of Naval Personnel) and we know how and when it was obtained (on various occasions through the Freedom of Information Act). The Church of Scientology has released none of these details about its version of the document. Any historian would rightly be suspicious of a document with untraceable origins.

Analysing the document in details reveal numerous points which cast doubt on its authenticity. The most obvious is its tally of medals awarded to Hubbard, which differs greatly from that held in Hubbard's official file. A close examination shows that Hubbard could not possibly have been awarded some of the medals listed....

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/cos/warhero/medals.htm


If he can't tell the truth about him self. How can he be writing books about the truths of life.

The harsh reality is that if you want to be an uneducated sheep that will follow whatever is spoon fed to you that is your problem, but when all of a sudden you are in a jam because you didn't question what was true or not...well that will be a pretty sad day for you.

Question authority
Question the media
just question and don't take popular opinion as gospel.

A woman named Karin Spaink published the OTIII, she was sued by the COS for "copyright infringment" of their "advanced spiritual technology". You can read her summary, which was given as testamony in court here: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/spaink-ot3.html

You are sadly wrong when you claim that they don't believe this and I think one would be a fool to believe that you don't have a dog in this fight.

The New York Times was sued by the COS...and they won. COS immediately cried foul.

ya, why don't you go ask a handful of vets if they received what was entitled to them, like college monies, health care, ect ect and see what they tell you about how the military treated them afterward AFTER they were out of the service... I know of vets of the first desert storm who did not get their GI bills for scholarships.... you know the ones they were promised... so he didn't receive meddles? Wow you mean a branch of the government f'd up...nnnnnnnNNNNNNOOOOOoooo surely you jest.