Interesting as always.

Agree with 1st and 2nd points above. I agree with the 3rd also, I would not doubt your opinion being what it is.

For myself personally, God is nor never will be something in a 'box'.

Never had any doubt about your clear relation to 'essence' Britty.

It is SOOOOO clear everytime I read you, that your interventions have nothing to do with ... 'bringing it all back to your 'I' !!!

From my vantage point, your life is not about your 'I', and not about fixing others to an image of 'I' that suits you, or making it about the 'I's of others.

You're out of the 'box'. In that context, so is 'god'.

You are in touch with 'essence' no doubt, and from that dimension, bible, god, prayer, beliefs, spirituality, are all 'I' free, and therefore noise less and pure.

"Creative Soul"... "material existence" could be a simple way to explain how our "THOUGHTS" manifest reality ..and since reality is not a constant and therefore not truth there would be nothing for God to create ..reality or the physical world could be nothing more than just a manifestation of our thoughts

This is the one thing that really bothers me. It could all just be here because we precieve it that way. Just like thinking about weather our earth exists one second into the future or does it have to recreated every second we travel into the future.

think of it as being in "The Matrix".. nothing existed in there but "thought" and everyone was a God but just didn't know it or wanted to know ...it's the same situation in the existence

Nothing is made clear in the Bible. The Bible is a collection of individual ambiguous stories that become even more ambiguous when collected together and treated as if they were originally intended to be a singe book.

We shouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised considering the history of how this collection of stories came to be.

To believe that the Bible is 100% correct requires that a person also believes that the Quran is basically 100% corrupt. That seriously isn’t a reasonable hypothesis.

Moreover, the stories that were written about Jesus were indeed written about him in retrospect by men who already had preconceived notions concerning God. The idea that they would push those ideas onto Jesus is very reasonable. In fact, it’s totally unreasonable to believe that they wouldn’t.

The entire Bible must be recognized, not as a single book, written and published by a single group of authors all having the same goal. On the contrary, the Bible must be seen for what it is. A collection of stories that a mortal man named King James collected together into a cannon and proclaimed to be his “Holy Book”.

This is what the Bible is. Anyone who accepts the Bible as the sole word of God is not placing their faith in God at all. They are placing their faith in King James and his personal delusions.

God WAS... God IS!!! The devil did not exist until God created him. God created ROCKS, that does not make God a ROCK... it only makes it a creation of his. GOD gave the devil free will. What pleasure would GOD have in his creation, had he not given them FREE WILL. There is no pleasure to be had in puppets.

THE devil chose to exalt himself above HIS CREATOR. THAT did not make him GOD!

so...can i be the devil too?

Creative,

Most people simple can’t comprehend that essence of your message.

They keep wanting to believe God exists separate from the Play-Doh and that he creates things that are separate from him using this separate Play-Doh.

They can’t seem to comprehend that all Play-Doh must be God. For if it is not God, then it is something other than God.

They can’t imagine a rock being a part of God.

I’m not sure why though, they have no problem accepting that their fingernails, teeth, hair, and bones are all part of themselves. Why can’t they see that rocks are like God’s fingernails, or ‘bones’. Flora is like his hair, and so on. These things don’t have to have an individual separate consciousness to be part of God, any more than our fingernails, teeth, hair, or bones need to have their own consciousness.

Before all of God's creation
The Lord had formed me
From the very beginning of time
I was there beside thee
Before the mountains were formed
I was brought forth
While yet there was no land
I was with the Lord
When He created everything
The heavens, the sea and the sky
The earth, and all who live in it
I was His daily delight
Blessed are you that listen
Those that keep my ways
Do not neglect instruction
But receive God's wisdom today

Okay, you are welcome to your beliefs, but don't be surprised when anyone who actually reads the Bible for it's content rejects your ideas. God created everything that has been created. God is not everything.

Okay so god created everything, why would he create a "devil" to challenge his enduring power? Just like on the movie Constantine, the god and devil made a bet and set the playing field to get as many souls as possible. This is actually sick in nature, right? Create that that will doom your beloved man to a hell when all you want to do is love them and be there for them. Doesn't make sense.

Why test them if you love them so much. Do we test those we love? He is the god of good and evil if he created a nemesis himself, right? Doesn't make sense.

I will just continue to feel my personal energy and make myself be moral and ethical and answer to myself for these life circumstances. It is less confusing or frustrating. I have never been freer than the day I broke the shackles of religion and let myself be the judge and jury of myself. I seem to be more moral then alot of religious people I know. They believe they can sin and because they have a pass they are in the good to do whatever they want and be at church on sunday and be forgiven. Where I hold myself to these standards 24/7/365 and I am not allowed forgiveness. I have to not do it in the first place so I don't have to reap the consequences. It works for me much better this way.

Interesting..............Dragoness from what I can see here, the difference is labels, perspective, and willingness or lack of to accept responsibility for self and action. Therein lies the difference of a so called "Debil" ("Water Boy" influence, sorry more fun for me this way.).

I agree about the labels, perspective and self responsibility. I am an advocate strongly of self responsibility. I do not know of the "water boy" analogy though. Enlighten me. If you cannot put it on here send it via mail.

Water Boy is a movie with Adam Sandler (spelling, not sure of). It is about an adult young man whose Momma loves him very much and wants to keep him in their Louisiana swampland home and a "stuttering simpleton". Anything that may possibly take her darling from her, i.e. little girls, she calls the "Debil" instead of the devil. Momma is played by Kathy Bates. It's a great movie.

Yeah I don't know how he can make such dumb movies and then they turn out so good. That is a trick. Waterboy is a great movie.

the point that gets lost is that the Father and God are exclusively unique grammatical structures in the original texts.

Jesus, the living Word, is God.
The Father of Jesus, and us all is unknown except to the Son of God, or Jesus.
Confused? I bet. The son of himself? Or the carnal representation of the Word, which is God?
the Father only speaks through the Son.
The Father and the Son are distinctly different.

Exodus 3.14 is clear, but one must know Hebrew to ferret it out.

In James 1 .27 The Father and the Son, God, are spoken of as separate yet equal.

All gods, as understood in the Old Testamenent are best described as guiding lights, in terms of their most accurate translation from the original language used.
JHWH, personified in Jesus, is the God ( guiding light made carnal) of Israel.

Still confused?
All that cannot understand this are all that will not study personally the accuracy of the revelation of God and the Creator
and how this is relevant to nature and the created world.

Access and fellowship with the Father are pertinent in Jesus Christ, but common to all mankind since the cross.The distinctive qualification for Christianity is the relationship and fellowship with the Father, through the Son and by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit testifies of the Son or it is not the Holy Spirit.

But God does touch and guide all mankind so how are Christians different? Because of the ministry to each generation as proxies of the Son empowered by the Holy Spirit to share the promises delivered and access to the benefits of grace, through faith and in mercy.

The boggging down of the churches is due to men stepping between other men ( humans) and the Son in self serving dissimulation.

The truth that is lost, is that all of mankind can have it all with the intended clarity, firsthand from the Father through the Son, and personally by the Holy Spirit.
Not for mythological purposes, but for personal enrichment of the free gift of God in Christ.

Still at odds?


Of course, because the lies have all been trained upon mankind in counterfeit and the truth has a narrow path for comprehending the mission, objective and purpose given to every individual.

God speaks to all, not all listen.
To listen, does not exclude nor excuse Jesus Christ, but include his person, message and WORD.

This is the oddity. That Christ is somehow opposed to the awareness of God by the individual, apart from Him. When in truth, He is embraced by all that truly worship God in spirit and in truth as being in step with the same.

But carnal interpretations of the image of the church in truth have eroded the simplicity of God's presence and care over all of our lives.

No one hears from or communiccates directly with the Father, but through our God that gave the grace at Calgary on the Cross when the counterfeits were defeated and all accusations dropped.

The clearest channel to the will of the Father is through the son (Christ) by the Holy Spirit.
Get that and you get it all. Ignore that and the debate rages with your understanding included in the debate.

In or out, we all must face life with the knowledge that we are all being governed the same, and that our choices dictate the path of our experiences.

Stoic, gnostic, secular, religious, existential, a-theistically, etc....but none of the paths merge in a common understanding of truth, only consequence.

Moving forward while looking back on lessons does not bring truth any closer to our hearts, but rather limits truth to being an opinion or an observation: both of which are delusional and not even an illusion created by a lucid thought, but rather a indiscernable myth and postulate unique unto their respective embrace.

confused?

only if what I am saying is babble to you.

Ouch, that hurts

The "Devil" has a stamp on his left bum cheek that says "Copyright 325AD - RCC - All rights reserved".

Those who believe they are separate from God will indeed see themselves as separate from God.

Their prayer answered.

Their illusion granted.

Their thought manifests as their reality.

Just as they imagine it to be.

Thank you all for your participation thus far...

Eljay:



Agreed, I did... Your words were as follows:



You said, "if God is spirit"... I took this as if you were opposed to the notion of 'God' being a part of any material existance, which you have since clarified with the following...



There is no clear and logical premise anywhere in the Bible, is there Eljay? I am certainly not basing a concept of 'God' on purely a biblical context, that anthropomorphic idea has long been laid to rest. Since I would agree that mankind may not understand 'Gods' motivations, and I completely refute 'God' as having physiological human emotion(s), I do try my best to not think in those terms.



The concept of a monotheistic 'God' requires 'Gods' ethereal existance prior to any physical material reality. It should only follow then, that all of the ingredients for physical existance's beginnings were in fact available prior to any form of it. Therefore, keeping in mind that 'God' was all there was before any form of material existance came into 'reality', 'God' must have used what was available to 'God'. All there was was 'God'. Thus... 'God' used 'God'.

This makes 'God' indivisible. So, because you have often asked for my exegesis, I have given you a more thorough example of the process.

Yes Eljay, as I have just explained, my belief concerning the existance of 'God' includes 'God' in all things(indivisible), however, it categorically dismisses any notion of an anthropomorphic omni-god.

I do not believe ethereal existance has the physiological capability to 'speak', it would require physical components.


Voile...

As always, I must read your words quite deliberately, while often having to re-read and re-re-read... to ensure an understanding of your message(s).

I have a few questions as noted below, if you would not mind answering for me...



I have disregarded the gender reference... old habits are hard to break... I completely understand...

However, I wonder if 'God' truly has no part. Could you extrapolate this statement a little more? The illusion/confusion I understood, but the 'material' part leaves me puzzled to your intent of meaning.



What you have put into parenthesis here has me a little curious also... 'God' must 'exist' for any concept of a 'God' to be rational and/or logical, one would think, including what was stated below.



I believe that 'God' is indivisible, therefore all form of existance must be included insofar as at least the illusion of being separate.




funches:



Indeed, I do believe that one's thoughts do manifest one's reality, in large part, yet the notion of us manifesting ourselves into physical existance excludes any concept of 'God'. 'Original' material existance came into this physical reality from something other than just our thoughts, man was not even around then.



spider:



An unstudied rejection of this concept by another, does not, and will not negatively affect my feeling(s) either way. It is not a popularity competition. I make honest attempts, sometimes better than others, at communicating my thoughts effectively. Difference in opinion and/or belief is a beautiful thing.

One who logically understands the Bible based on it's content, is one who may not systematically dismiss any and all other concepts.

Earlier in this post, while responding to Eljay, I spelled out clearly why I believe that 'God' not only is everything, but must be.


dragoness:

Regarding the first part of your post, the personification of 'God' does not make much sense to many other people in this world either...

you also said:



When one knows better, one does better... allow yourself to accept that we are not 'perfect', release that which brings about negative emotion and thought, if at all possible...