but...

who created toilet paper?

The notion of 'God' being prior to all existence is an imperitive part of any concept of a 'God'. For if 'God' was not, 'God' would not be 'God', 'God' would be a part of something else. By necessary definition, 'God' exists before all creation...

I agree, and to creat something, one must be outside of the creation to manipulate whatever the creation is made of. Did that make any sense? I confused myself

But what if God accidentally painted himself into the corner as he made earth and now he is stuck here somewhere.

In terms of 'God' being prior to all material existance, it only must follow that whatever 'God' is, at least some part of is would have to be in everything after. Therefore, existence which starts with 'God' is indivisible. 'God' would also be such... indivisible.

All things return to 'no thing', just as all things came from 'no thing'... as water finds it's own level, so does existence return to it's source... beyond our visible measure...

No thing is truly separate...

The line between no thing and something does not exist.

lol...could that be why he dwells in each of our "hearts?" 'cause he stuck here and cannot get out so just making the best of it?

That sounds like a song

God painted himself into a corner in my heart



where's Abra when you need him

he's in my refrigerator. the kind soul turns on the light for me

Tue 01/29/08 07:38 PM
That sounds like a song

God painted himself into a corner in my heart


maybe we should write one . You do the lyrics and I will try to fill in the words

- God in Pastel ~


It matters not what you perceive
or what you think you must believe
For God is that which will conceive
everything that you receive

No other source can give you
what God’s magic will impart
every image painted
is a sculpture of his art

If you think things came from elsewhere
your soul is far apart
From the spirit of the universe
that lives within your heart

No persona is required
No judgment of your soul
God will paint in living color
even for a fool

So be careful what you pray for
for God will take to task
and paint you up an image
of anything you ask

Keep in mind that all your thoughts
are just prayers in disguise
every thought you ponder
is a prayer in God’s eyes

Nasty thoughts of abstract art
will splatter you with paint
So if you want a pretty life
you must ponder like a saint

Don’t ponder on the thoughts of Blue
or dwell on Anger Red
Meditate with caring hues
when thinking in your head

Emotions pray as well
and can conjure up a hell
so ponder love and things thereof
and God will paint pastel

~~~

Very Nice

If Voil is Zeus well then I found this for you


APOLLO, the classical god of music and medicine, art and eloquence,

thats the beautiful thing about North America if we do not like something especially as adults we usally do not go. In a religous fourm what did you think they were going to talk about.

Yes, I believe ALL things came from God including the gift of free will that allows us to make our our own personal choices in life.

For those of us that choose to follow God, we live by faith not by sight. This faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we don't see.

We are all welcome to our own beliefs, but what you said has nothing to do with the God of the Bible. God created all things, but is outside of all things. God is not the creation and the creation is not God. This is made clear in the Bible. Perhaps you reject the Bible? Okay, but the Christian God is only known or described by the Bible. So if you reject the Bible, then your god is not the same as the God of the Bible.

So are you trying to conclude through logic that all material things have to be some part of God? However - if God is spirit,
doesn't the logic of this conclusion fall short? Can He not just speak something into existance?

Excellent!!!








Bry, 'free will' does not exist. Humans every move is from direct or indirect cause. Everyone has 'faith' which is covered by that definition.





What I said has everything to do with 'God'.

Spider, creation requires all the necessary ingredients... 'God' existed before creation.

When one is everything one is no thing. The line between does not exist.

The Christian God is 'God' as manifested through each author's thoughts... some wonderful, some not so wonderful.






If 'God' is defined as spirit, and spirit only, then that definition of 'God' falls well short.

One would have to thoroughly understand the first premise. 'God' was the only thing at one time. All else follows this. All else will return to this, eventually speaking.

I didn't say "spirit only" - you did. We know through biblical accounts that there are manifistations of God within the creation, however that does not establish a premise that the creation must be "some part God". Therefore I re-adress my first question - awaiting a response. Is your premise that the creation is a "part" of God?

Does God have free will?

Human 'condition' came up with the dialectic concept (symbol-representation) of 'spirit' and 'essence', corrolates to physical and material dimension, to evoke that which has no form, material or otherwise.

God is not part of the human 'condition'. Only humans are.

The only human 'condition', or distinction from other primates, is the dimension of 'self-awareness'; ultimate and only fundamental 'purpose' of the neo cortex. It is the only 'thing' that makes US aware that there might be something different between US and 'stuff' around 'US' (not same as 'US').

Self-Awareness IS the illusory 'condition' which 'fabricates', and thus 'separates' the 'I' from the rest. It plays no other purpose than that of separating all the human 'I's, to produce awareness of 'I', or self-awareness.

This is the fundamental illusion of the material and physical, all of it. A pure 'human neo cortex' function or condition.
To force 'god' inside this dimension is to insist on 'separating' god. In the human fabricated material (self-aware) generated condition, there is 'I', and there is 'god'. A 'god' that can only be separated from 'I'.

Forcing these apologetics 'logical fallacies', or circular and incestuous mental structutes to then 'glue' 'god' to the 'I' (My Lord and Savior, etc.) doesn't make that 'god' any less SEPARATE!!!

God doesn't need a neo cortex. He has no part of this Material/Physical condition and illusion-confusion.

God doesn't need to 'exist' (be 'self'-aware, or aware of 'I'). That is the human neo cortex fundamental condition and distinction. Humans, NEED to compulsively remind themselves that they 'exist' (self-aware). It is OUR HUMAN paradox, not 'god's'!!!

It is the ultimate human paradox: "... to know that we exist from a self-awareness condition, the only way we can know, and to relate to everything else around us (including the concept of an existing god) as 'existing', IS precisely what disconnnects 'US' from essence.
Not realizing that the 'I' IS the illusion, paradoxically disconnects, or short circuits essence; the 'US' and the whole.

The best concept we have for 'god' is spirit or essence, which doesn't even start to suggest any material form for 'god'.

Form as opposed to essence, is an EXCLUSIVE human neo cortex condition. Evolution obviously is a fact, and isn't finished with this model.

Who knows, the next step might be the evolutive 'brain-kernel' that will finish the job of this most imperfect 'neo cortex' (self-aware illusion) stage of evolution.

But, we will never 'know' about the next step, much like 'apes' have no clue about what went wrong with THEIR successors (US)!!!

Whatever it is you wish to believe, WHY WOULD ANYONE DEDICATE HIS WHOLE LIFE TO REDUCING 'GOD' to the DIMENSION of the 'self-awareness' human condition?!?!?

We as humans should aspire to 'essence/spirit', and not the other way around: try and force definition less 'essence/spirit', into the incredibly limited and imperfect human form 'definition'.

The 'bible god' IMO, is just that, a human shaped, limited and easy to 'self-aware' with, and relate to.

A convenient symbol of a 'god' in a 'box'!!!