It was in reference to your "Oh God" response my child ..so come hither so I can place my hand upon knee ...oops I meant upon thee ...oops I meant bless ye

MindofChrist you are over analyzing...numbers are merely a point of reference that is used to measure suppose reality..

Funches we as humans love to label everything as something that is familiar in our perception or experiences. I will allow you to label it whatever sits well with you.

As for the thought is took to get to the point to feel the energy. Consciously the thought is to let go. Let go of all thought, emotion. It is probably not easy for some to do this. We essentially feel our thoughts and emotions are us.

I would also like to say, that regardless to all the "knowledge" of this world. We are but babies when it comes to the knowledge of the universe and all it holds. Man thinks in a box. The box as some of my favorite philosophers on here have pointed out many times is one of our perceptions, experiences, taught information, etc.... and although many would say this is the essence of us. They would say once our thoughts and perceptions are gone what do we have, we are then an empty shell. It is here that I will interject that there is one more quality it is the life force in each of us. Because I do not have other words to use this is the only way that I can explain this. I am talking of an experience that I had and have since had. I do not meditate to reach it, I stay in this state all the time. I am aware of it since the epiphany I had.

What took me to this epiphany? I suffered a health condition that made me want to die. I lost everything in the physical world, my job, my car, my home, my kids, everthing. I had no quality of life in the physical realm and wanted to exit. It was during this time alone with myself in extreme pain and suffering that I was able to let go of all thoughts, pain and emotion. I just got to a state of just being, it was here that I felt the energy I speak of. Whether others have to go through what I did to feel it( I would not wish it on them ever) I cannot say. I am thankful for the experience. It has given me a sight that I can see many do not have.

I hope this helps. Maybe I am unique, but I doubt it. Others have to have suffered greatly or taken themselves so deep into themselves that they found this center or core of energy.

and "Dragoness" thinking in a box is the key and the trap ...because the same beliefs are being influenced from person to person, the same knowledge except in different variations and each varies with each person's experience ...when one tells of being in another level of consciousness that would mean that they have entered a new realm of knowledge and should be able to show some signs of that

so I have a simple excersise that can test if your consciousness went out of the box into another realm or if your consciousness was still trapped in the same box and was influence to believe you have entered another realm

simply tell of a rational thought that you had that no one else ever said ...if you can't that would suggest that your thoughts about another realm of consciousness was just influence by the collective within the box

From part 1 of this topic,...



People who ‘hear’ radio waves don’t hear them with their ears. Besides, people who claim to actually hear the actual modulation content of those waves would need more than just antenna, they would need to have demodulators in their brains too!

However, if they are just hearing the ‘static hiss’ or ‘actual carrier tones’ of these waves then it is not ‘hearing’ in the normal sense via the ear drum, but somehow they are picking up these signals within their brains.

I don’t think there is any scientific evidence for this. So it would definitely be in the category of ESP, and if it is ESP then hearing the actual informational content of modulated waves wouldn’t be a problem because ESP isn’t physics. It’s a non-physical (or spiritual) perception of the world. No scientific explanation required.

funches spoke on dragoness' experience saying this:



The ability or inability of one to describe concepts beyond normal comprehension(out of the box) does not equate to the validity of any given experience funches. It is suggestive only of one's written vocabulary.

First, let me tell you, you are talking from the box. You are thinking inside of the box of human thought. Yes thoughts and beliefs are transferred through talk, actions, etc..... I am guilty of only one thing and that is being able to describe it with the available information that I have. Information that is derived from the human box.

Second, I never said I went outside of myself into another realm. I never talked of leaving myself at all. I am talking of getting to the core of self that is more than just thought, logic, emotion, etc.... Others call it spiritual, I call it energy/light. I have never left myself spiritually or otherwise to what you just described. So that leads me the third part of the post.

Since I never left myself I cannot speak of a rational thought derived from leaving myself as I never left myself at any level.

I understand that you have the logic and beliefs of your world. I do. I cannot deny any person these. I can only describe with the limited available knowledge to me the fact that there is more to us than our thoughts, emotions, logic, mind. Yes this is beyond the available information, I guess. I can only tell others that it is not god in the conventional sense and it is not complex by any means. It is basic living energy.

and "creative soul" that's why it's impossible to imagine the unimaginable therefore everything that ever was or ever will be exist right now at this exact moment exact point in time in the subconscious .....funches 3:16

in other words no one can imagine of descibe anything outside of this realm of knowledge unless they have entered the realm of the unimaginable

Creative It is the vocabulary and knowledge that we are exposed to. In the human box of experiences, beliefs, perceptions, etc.... I have difficulty finding even a religion that describes this. And you know religions can be as far out of the box as one can get for the most part. I have been searching. I looked into chakras but it is not as complex as they make it to be. I have read a little on wicca, as they believe in drawing on the powers around us and in us but it is not as complex as this either.

In other words with out being given the knowledge prior to the experience to describe it I can only use that knowledge I have to describe it and it fails miserably.

"Dragoness" I described the universe as being as a fishbowl filled with energy that can tapped into to create reality...you said that if was like a fish bowl with no borders and that statement would indicate that you meant beyond the realm of energy into another plane of existence void of energy ..

I’m in 100% agreement with your thoughts on this Mind. But this is not the way that mathematics is viewed by the mathematical community. On the contrary, they do believe that 2 exists as an absolute concept without any connection to any thing!

And they have actually formalized mathematics based on this view. Formal mathematics is not in agreement with our intuitive understanding of the concept of number. It has been formalized on a phantom concept not unlike the idea of a God.

In fact, I’m currently writing a book on this very topic. Although, I must confess that I’m not working on it diligently. It’s probably a lie to say that I’m currently writing on it. What is more true is that I started it and never finished it.

This is one thing I seriously need to quit procrastinating about and get back to finishing this damn book. I need to publish this book so I can finally go home.

"Dragoness" if you can't describe your experience in any language then describe what benefits if any arosed out of the experience

You misunderstood my meaning. I meant that to describe the energy as finite or capturable in a fishbowl would be inaccurate. Okay so I am not making my point well, I do apologize. It is energy. Not devoid of energy. It is an internal energy we all have. It is life energy. Living things have it. All things have energy but living energy is what I am talking about.

You do that and you damn well better plan on haunting me every now and then.

I already did this in the second post on page 49 of part 1 of this topic.

http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/57160?page=49

funches stated:


This is absolutely correct funches, it is indeed impossible to imagine the unimaginable. It does not follow, however, that it is impossible to experience the unimaginable. Thus it would follow that an unimaginable experience, could only be described through imaginable terms, which do not capture the entirety of the experience.



Yes, but even then, the only available descriptive language would be of personal subjective empirical measure and could not possibly portray the complete experience accurately.

I am not disagreeing with you here... just adding a little from my perspective...

I know you don't like labels...but it sounds wiccan to me

In my experience with the energy of me. I became more intune with myself and my interactions with my surroundings. My effect on the world became obvious to me. Just being alive I have an effect on the world at a basic energy level. This thought led to others of the energy and what it does, how it interacts, etc... Benefit to you, probably none. Benefit to man in general. Maybe nothing unless they can recognize it in themselves and then make the follow through of realization.

I guess this is why others will not call me an atheist because of this quality in me. I do agree with atheists most of the time. Especially in the realm of being responsible for ourselves and our actions. I would agree that their is not an omnipotent being in control or non-control of humans, however they choose to portray it. I believe religion to be created for control of others and now through the power they have accomplished they are also big business too. I do agree that our thoughts and actions are the best or worst of us. I do agree that when we die there is no heaven or hell. Nor a soul to go to these places. But after all of that, there is a living force in us, a force of energy because we are alive that is there. I believe that it follows the same "rules" as energy follows. It is basic and uncomplex. It is a light at our center that is us at a more basic level than even thought.

Yet what is 2, it is nothing, 2 itself does not exist except if there is two of something. 2+2=4 doesn't work except that if they represent some "thing". And also they have to be "things" of equal value. We teach our children that 2+2+4, but shouldn't they ask 2 of what. Maybe 2+2=4 should be taught to our children as 2(a)+2(a)=4(a) with a note that "a" represents anything of equal value or type; for otherwise we are adding a bunch of nothing. Yet have we not accepted on faith that 2 is always 2 of something yet of what none of us really know.


good point

except "creative soul" it's a catch 22 to your theory...once you have experience the unimaginable it's no longer unimaginable and therefore can be describe but one can not limit theirselves within the belief of the dictionary...even the dictionary has not describe words to their true meaning...

to use the excuse of not being about to describe the experience because of the limitation of the language is to turn the experience into a religious belief ..that the experience is unseen incomprehensible and can't be described without sounding delusional

and that is what I meant by the benefits of the experience..because of the experience one would have obtained new knowledge and would be able to add to the dictionary not limit theirselves to it