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Topic: to forgive a monster?????
Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 01/19/08 10:42 AM
I appreciate your compassion for the victim. Being 'fried' once probably burned up all his nerve endings thus incapacitating him. SO reviving him would have been a cruel way to spend the rest of his life. It may sound cruel but the continuance of 'frying' him was probably more dignified than letting him live. But consider the 40 million babies aborted since Woe v. Wade was made law. These are innocent victims of mere inconvience and your tax dollars pay for the majority of them. It never ceases to amaze me how anti-choice people always manage to sneak into the conversation when it comes to the death penalty. Life is life, if that is what you believe then don't be a hypocrate. God made 'em all, innocent or monster they all deserve to live (according to your doctrine). The tax dollars paying for abortions??? I can tell you do not follow politics, Clinton administration, would not allow government to pay for abortions, no medicaid, medicare or any sliding scale income program can fund an abortion. So get it right if you are going to go off on that one.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 01/19/08 10:45 AM
Statistically speaking.. The death penalty is not a deterrent to capital crimes. See this graph: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murderratesDP&NDP.jpg Then this one: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterencegap.jpg These statistics when considering the overall costs sounds pretty inefficient/ ineffective, to me. The only benefit to capital punishment seems to be the false sense of security and vengeance. I'll not even get into the dynamics of the wrongfully accused... An excerpt from http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org The California Death Penalty System Costs Taxpayers More than $114 Million a Year According to state and federal records obtained by The Los Angeles Times, maintaining the California death penalty system costs taxpayers more than $114 million a year beyond the cost of simply keeping the convicts locked up for life. This figure does not count the millions more spent on court costs to prosecute capital cases. The Times concluded that Californians and federal taxpayers have paid more than a quarter of a billion dollars for each of the state's 11 executions, and that it costs $90,000 more a year to house one inmate on death row, where each person has a private cell and extra guards, than in general prison population. This additional cost per prisoner adds up to $57.5 million in annual spending. ("Death Row Often Means a Long Life," Los Angeles Times, March 6, 2005, http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/latimesarticle.pdf.) You beat me to this one jist. The states with the hightest murder rates are states with death penalties. This proves death penalty means nothing to the criminals. Second, cost and you covered that one. Good job

littleredhen Joined Sat 01/12/08 Posts: 6837	Sat 01/19/08 10:52 AM
Tomie, I think you mean Roe vs Wade. I'm disgustingly on the fence with the death sentence. But, if push came to shove, I believe I'd have to jump onto the approval side. I just can't seem to come up with a better solution of what to do with someone that cannot be reprogrammed. Find a way to successfully reprogram that mindset, I'll gladly applaud and support it. I was on the fence also until recently. People have been found to be inocent after spending years in prison. Death is something you cannot take back. I do not trust the system enough to give that power. Of course if anyone hurts MY Princess I will personally kill them! NO expense to the Tax payers & no one else to blame!

tomie Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 162	Sat 01/19/08 03:36 PM
The tax dollars paying for abortions??? I can tell you do not follow politics, Clinton administration, would not allow government to pay for abortions, no medicaid, medicare or any sliding scale income program can fund an abortion. So get it right if you are going to go off on that one. Thanks for your insight, Dragonness but Planned Parent Hood is funded by our tax dollars in the sum of $267,000,000 of which they are asking for more, of which are our tax dollars of which they are the world leaders in performing abortions. So directly, government doesn't pay for abortions, indirectly, yes. Thank you for you debate on my knowledge. T mie

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 01/19/08 03:47 PM
The tax dollars paying for abortions??? I can tell you do not follow politics, Clinton administration, would not allow government to pay for abortions, no medicaid, medicare or any sliding scale income program can fund an abortion. So get it right if you are going to go off on that one. Thanks for your insight, Dragonness but Planned Parent Hood is funded by our tax dollars in the sum of $267,000,000 of which they are asking for more, of which are our tax dollars of which they are the world leaders in performing abortions. So directly, government doesn't pay for abortions, indirectly, yes. Thank you for you debate on my knowledge. T mie All of the income invested in planned parenthood is for birth control and classes on birth control, not one red dime is spent on abortion, it is against the federal law instituted during Clintons term in office. Sorry if that offends you.

Totage Joined Sat 10/13/07 Posts: 24210	Sat 01/19/08 03:50 PM
Fri 01/18/08 12:09 PM all right...i have one conserning raw human nature...(parental guidence please) not too long ago i watched a show on tv..a documentary about executions of prisioners. this man called..gray..was arrested for the killing of his 16 year old girlfirend,he was in his late 20's...he was brought to justice and jailed. but soon after he had escaped and was arrested again..for the rape and murder of a three year old girl,he was going to be executed for this horrible crime..i am a firm believer that some people are too evil to be kept alive.. durring the process of being electricuted..leaving his body charred and burned,the doctores proclaimed that he was still alive..the governer was called..and he said to proceed with the execution...once more he was elecrified..and once more he was still found to be alive...as incredible as this may sound..the witnesses to this execution was ..including the parents of the child,wanted the the execution to be stopped...but it continued one last time..this time he died.. what i would like to know is if you were the parents of this child,,would you decide that he has suffered enough?...or for the execution to go on....... it was unnerving to me how even he caould have had advocates.. They would suffer more with life in prison, especially for crimes against children.

tomie Joined Thu 12/13/07 Posts: 162	Sat 01/19/08 04:23 PM
The tax dollars paying for abortions??? I can tell you do not follow politics, Clinton administration, would not allow government to pay for abortions, no medicaid, medicare or any sliding scale income program can fund an abortion. So get it right if you are going to go off on that one. Thanks for your insight, Dragonness but Planned Parent Hood is funded by our tax dollars in the sum of $267,000,000 of which they are asking for more, of which are our tax dollars of which they are the world leaders in performing abortions. So directly, government doesn't pay for abortions, indirectly, yes. Thank you for you debate on my knowledge. T mie All of the income invested in planned parenthood is for birth control and classes on birth control, not one red dime is spent on abortion, it is against the federal law instituted during Clintons term in office. Sorry if that offends you. I think you might ought to double check your information. What do you think birth control is for Planned Parenthood? no it doesn't offend me but a double check is in order.

mrtxstar Joined Sun 12/30/07 Posts: 436	Sat 01/19/08 04:32 PM
tomie... If you stick around long enough, you'll find that dragoness is always sticking her foot in her mouth. Just ignore her and she'll get distracted by something else soon enough. You are right on this issue but she'll never admit she's wrong about anything. I'm sure you know the type.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 01/19/08 04:36 PM
The tax dollars paying for abortions??? I can tell you do not follow politics, Clinton administration, would not allow government to pay for abortions, no medicaid, medicare or any sliding scale income program can fund an abortion. So get it right if you are going to go off on that one. Thanks for your insight, Dragonness but Planned Parent Hood is funded by our tax dollars in the sum of $267,000,000 of which they are asking for more, of which are our tax dollars of which they are the world leaders in performing abortions. So directly, government doesn't pay for abortions, indirectly, yes. Thank you for you debate on my knowledge. T mie All of the income invested in planned parenthood is for birth control and classes on birth control, not one red dime is spent on abortion, it is against the federal law instituted during Clintons term in office. Sorry if that offends you. I think you might ought to double check your information. What do you think birth control is for Planned Parenthood? no it doesn't offend me but a double check is in order. Abortion is not a form of birth control. Birth control is defined as devices or medication or method to prevent conception. Outside of the birth control is abortion. So you are wrong sir.

mrtxstar Joined Sun 12/30/07 Posts: 436	Sat 01/19/08 04:38 PM
and the great dragoness has spoken.......making my case.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 01/19/08 04:38 PM
tomie... If you stick around long enough, you'll find that dragoness is always sticking her foot in her mouth. Just ignore her and she'll get distracted by something else soon enough. You are right on this issue but she'll never admit she's wrong about anything. I'm sure you know the type. I am so glad you remember me Although you are wrong also sir, I take no offense. It is cute I stay on your mind....lol

mrtxstar Joined Sun 12/30/07 Posts: 436	Sat 01/19/08 04:39 PM Edited by mrtxstar on Sat 01/19/08 04:40 PM
always my dear. I'm you secret #1 fan.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 01/19/08 04:42 PM
always my dear. I'm you secret #1 fan. My first fan, I am humbled. I also have to apologize to you for ignoring you in a previous post. I was going to go back to address you but felt I should leave it alone as I was a little irritated that night. So your very valid posts were discounted and I do apologize for that. Forgive me?

mrtxstar Joined Sun 12/30/07 Posts: 436	Sat 01/19/08 04:44 PM
Thank you dragoness..... wish you could tell me which one it was.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 01/19/08 04:48 PM
Thank you dragoness..... wish you could tell me which one it was. It was the discussion of Hillary and I was going around with a couple of young ladies. I saw your posts the next day but did not want to open the can of worms again. On this issue I do know from personal experience that planned parenthood receives no funding from the government for abortions. NONE, ZIPPO.

alonenotlonely Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 2957	Sat 01/19/08 04:49 PM
Abortion will be a Judgment Day decision. We can all quote. That don't make it right or wrong.

mrtxstar Joined Sun 12/30/07 Posts: 436	Sat 01/19/08 04:50 PM
Dragoness... Have you read all of hillary's books?

alonenotlonely Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 2957	Sat 01/19/08 04:50 PM
The topic is Death Penalty and Forgiveness.

alonenotlonely Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 2957	Sat 01/19/08 04:54 PM
Listen to all this rhetoric! What stand have you made for these beliefs you profess? Have you faced death? Have you sacrificed yourself?

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 01/19/08 04:54 PM
Dragoness... Have you read all of hillary's books? No, but we can discuss it on another forum as this one is for death penalty. So how the heck did we get on abortion? I did not even notice that. Sorry for hijacking the thread here. My humble apologies to the original poster here.