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i do love it when i get my brain going on intellectual conversations my friend...i do.. but i have always been a creature of comedy...was the answer to you suficiant?..did my opinion make sence? i mean my opinion on your question though... |
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I know how it works in prison I am a correctional officer in a mens prison, and more then 80% of our inmates are sex offenders, molesters, and rapist. they are all in population but I can understand not putting him in population because he excaped and this happened with the little girl, It was most likely on the news and the other inmates probally watched it, they probally put him in seg because he escaped for one and for two because he probally had many hits out on him. in seg they are in their own cell by their selves. They do not get out to do anything but to shower or rec by themselves. I believe he deserved what he got, but not enough of it..
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Edited by
Dragoness
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I am sorry, I will not address the abortion issue on this thread anymore, whoever that was that is calling me out on it.
The death penalty is too definite to allow for mistakes and one can talk about the possible victims if the person walked the street again but we keep them for life all the time and they never walk the streets again unless found innocent by DNA. Our government cannot be condoned to kill innocents at any level. It is bad enough it is allowed in war. But to have a flawed justice system take a life of a wrongly convicted person should not be allowed. Not with the intelligence of our current society. It was expected in the past because we were ignorant humans and avenging was more animalistic. We are intelligents now, or at least I like to thing we are intelligents now. |
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Edited by
kolhauszer
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Sat 01/19/08 07:09 PM
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I know how it works in prison I am a correctional officer in a mens prison, and more then 80% of our inmates are sex offenders, molesters, and rapist. they are all in population but I can understand not putting him in population because he excaped and this happened with the little girl, It was most likely on the news and the other inmates probally watched it, they probally put him in seg because he escaped for one and for two because he probally had many hits out on him. in seg they are in their own cell by their selves. They do not get out to do anything but to shower or rec by themselves. I believe he deserved what he got, but not enough of it.. yes exactly the point thank you...he was placed in segragation because of what the other's would have done and wanted to do to him....as a correction officer you do know with out a doubt the world of inmates..i mean that.. but isnt it a rule..even amungst rapist themselves and murders that a baby killer is unwelcomed in their community..isnt this why they keep killers of such natures away from population,because of an almost gaurenteed death attempt ..please im not contradicting you in any way..just wanting to understand and expand my thoughts in fact..i am almost certain that you know that the life expectancy of a baby rapist and killer would indeed be very short if left in population.. |
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I am sorry, I will not address the abortion issue on this thread anymore, whoever that was that is calling me out on it. The death penalty is too definite to allow for mistakes and one can talk about the possible victims if the person walked the street again but we keep them for life all the time and they never walk the streets again unless found innocent by DNA. Our government cannot be condoned to kill innocents at any level. It is bad enough it is allowed in war. But to have a flawed justice system take a life of a wrongly convicted person should not be allowed. Not with the intelligence of our current society. It was expected in the past because we were ignorant humans and avenging was more animalistic. We are intelligents now, or at least I like to thing we are intelligents now. This is exactly why you can not seperate the abortion issue and the death penalty. You are so concerned about killing innocent people but the pro-choice ppl do not take that same stance about killing innocent babys. Both anti-death row and pro-choice ppl are mostly liberals. They contradict themselfs. |
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The death penalty is too definite to allow for mistakes and one can talk about the possible victims if the person walked the street again but we keep them for life all the time and they never walk the streets again unless found innocent by DNA. Our government cannot be condoned to kill innocents at any level. It is bad enough it is allowed in war. But to have a flawed justice system take a life of a wrongly convicted person should not be allowed. Not with the intelligence of our current society. It was expected in the past because we were ignorant humans and avenging was more animalistic. We are intelligents now, or at least I like to thing we are intelligents now. I agree with you as far as not killing innocent people, whether it is the Government or a Jury of our peers, or whatever circumstance involve the innocent..........How do you truely feel about a Serial Killer?, a Child Molester?, a Cannibalist?......Don't we... as a society... have a duty, a responsibilty to protect our own....that may involve Death???? |
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I am sorry, I will not address the abortion issue on this thread anymore, whoever that was that is calling me out on it. The death penalty is too definite to allow for mistakes and one can talk about the possible victims if the person walked the street again but we keep them for life all the time and they never walk the streets again unless found innocent by DNA. Our government cannot be condoned to kill innocents at any level. It is bad enough it is allowed in war. But to have a flawed justice system take a life of a wrongly convicted person should not be allowed. Not with the intelligence of our current society. It was expected in the past because we were ignorant humans and avenging was more animalistic. We are intelligents now, or at least I like to thing we are intelligents now. This is exactly why you can not seperate the abortion issue and the death penalty. You are so concerned about killing innocent people but the pro-choice ppl do not take that same stance about killing innocent babys. Both anti-death row and pro-choice ppl are mostly liberals. They contradict themselfs. Back we go, okay my stance on abortion, for those unknown, I don't want to hear one damn word against abortion from NOONE until ALL unwanted children in the WORLD are adopted. NOT one word. If you haven't adopted you have no rights to speak on who can have abortion, about illegality of abortion, about the moral issue of abortion, etc.... PERIOD! |
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I am sorry, I will not address the abortion issue on this thread anymore, whoever that was that is calling me out on it. The death penalty is too definite to allow for mistakes and one can talk about the possible victims if the person walked the street again but we keep them for life all the time and they never walk the streets again unless found innocent by DNA. Our government cannot be condoned to kill innocents at any level. It is bad enough it is allowed in war. But to have a flawed justice system take a life of a wrongly convicted person should not be allowed. Not with the intelligence of our current society. It was expected in the past because we were ignorant humans and avenging was more animalistic. We are intelligents now, or at least I like to thing we are intelligents now. This is exactly why you can not seperate the abortion issue and the death penalty. You are so concerned about killing innocent people but the pro-choice ppl do not take that same stance about killing innocent babys. Both anti-death row and pro-choice ppl are mostly liberals. They contradict themselfs. Back we go, okay my stance on abortion, for those unknown, I don't want to hear one damn word against abortion from NOONE until ALL unwanted children in the WORLD are adopted. NOT one word. If you haven't adopted you have no rights to speak on who can have abortion, about illegality of abortion, about the moral issue of abortion, etc.... PERIOD! I have adopted so I say no abortions and the docs that perform abortions, get the death penalty. |
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Yes there you are correct thats why many of them tell the other inmates they are there on drug related offences. But they are alot of them in population who claim to be in for drugs or burglary, when in fact its for much like the issue we are speaking of. The reason they protected him (seg, or solitary) is because of his escape the inmates knew his name and face from the tv, they probally did want to get him.
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I am sorry, I will not address the abortion issue on this thread anymore, whoever that was that is calling me out on it. The death penalty is too definite to allow for mistakes and one can talk about the possible victims if the person walked the street again but we keep them for life all the time and they never walk the streets again unless found innocent by DNA. Our government cannot be condoned to kill innocents at any level. It is bad enough it is allowed in war. But to have a flawed justice system take a life of a wrongly convicted person should not be allowed. Not with the intelligence of our current society. It was expected in the past because we were ignorant humans and avenging was more animalistic. We are intelligents now, or at least I like to thing we are intelligents now. This is exactly why you can not seperate the abortion issue and the death penalty. You are so concerned about killing innocent people but the pro-choice ppl do not take that same stance about killing innocent babys. Both anti-death row and pro-choice ppl are mostly liberals. They contradict themselfs. Back we go, okay my stance on abortion, for those unknown, I don't want to hear one damn word against abortion from NOONE until ALL unwanted children in the WORLD are adopted. NOT one word. If you haven't adopted you have no rights to speak on who can have abortion, about illegality of abortion, about the moral issue of abortion, etc.... PERIOD! I have adopted so I say no abortions and the docs that perform abortions, get the death penalty. Keep adopting brother there are alot. And then when that is done we can discuss legitimately the legality of abortion. No unwanted children worldwide is the goal. They are here, living unwanted, now. Future unwanted children should be an after thought. |
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Yes there you are correct thats why many of them tell the other inmates they are there on drug related offences. But they are alot of them in population who claim to be in for drugs or burglary, when in fact its for much like the issue we are speaking of. The reason they protected him (seg, or solitary) is because of his escape the inmates knew his name and face from the tv, they probally did want to get him. thank you miss bright eyes...for a moment there i thought that i had no idea of what i was talking about..  i see...so then the crimes of many inmates are fabricated and then made public to others as to conseal the real reason for their incarseration,for protection.
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How exactly did this go from death penalty to abortion? that is two totally different subjects...
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yes you are correct!!!
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How exactly did this go from death penalty to abortion? that is two totally different subjects...
well i started the topic...and then another man compared the two together..i didnt want the topic to evolve into a freedom of choice topic...but it opened many doors |
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Keep adopting brother there are alot. And then when that is done we can discuss legitimately the legality of abortion. No unwanted children worldwide is the goal. They are here, living unwanted, now. Future unwanted children should be an after thought. You claim no compassion for the unwanted childern of the world and you have none for the unborn? You are heartless & cruel. But by all means lets not kill anyone on dead row, hypocrite. |
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How exactly did this go from death penalty to abortion? that is two totally different subjects...
If you would actually take the time to read the thread, you would know the answer to your own question. |
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but the fact remains though that the thread was never about abortion essentially..it was about the death,an execution of a killer on death row..it's casual
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really this is kind of a hard story to feel any compassion about the perpetrator, certainly the death penalty is ludicrous, and he should be punished for his crimes, but this guy does not receive no badge of honour and it's a really stupid question because it defies all sense
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Keep adopting brother there are alot. And then when that is done we can discuss legitimately the legality of abortion. No unwanted children worldwide is the goal. They are here, living unwanted, now. Future unwanted children should be an after thought. You claim no compassion for the unwanted childern of the world and you have none for the unborn? You are heartless & cruel. But by all means lets not kill anyone on dead row, hypocrite. A fetus is not a child, women are not incubators, abortion is not murder. Now back to the topic at hand, I believe someone said something to the effect that we are an intelligent society, I don't know about intelligence, but since we have evolved from feudal days I do think that as a society we need to start looking at why we continue to produce the assortment of criminals that we do and how do we go about preventing someone from becoming that molester, murderer, etc... we start sticking the "unwanted/troublesome" youth in institutions from an early age without thought to rehabilitation and then send them out into the world, worse off than when they started. Society creates the monsters, society is the answer to preventing them. The death penality doesnt fix anything, its just a temporary solution to a far greater problem. For every one that gets executed there are far more out there continuing to hurt others. |
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If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call.
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