So in 2009 will be the starting of the Real ID Law. Every state has a different drivers license. The Real ID Law will make US citizens register for an ID. Everyone will have the same ID. It will say basic stuff like name and address ect. They will be used to open an bank account, take out a loan and even board an airplane. Many states are opposing it, some stating that it will be a picnic for identity thieves, and others say its boarder lining invasion of privacy.


I for one am against this and so is my state, which is the state of Idaho. I find it completely ridiculous and I'd rather not take a chance of my identity stolen.

What do you think about this?

Don't like it

lets face one question at a time. You say it is thought to be a possible opening for identity theft, right? How so? How is having one id for the entire country, going to open you up more for identity theft than a different one for each state? It isnt. And here's why.

1. By having one nationally recognized id card, there will be no more confusion over wether or not the card being provided is valid. Lets say you live in michigan, and you are visiting your mother on Florida. Or vice versa. When you are in teh non-resident state, a lot of places (majority) will not accept your id because they are not familiar with it (and for good reasoning). however, lets say I wanted to pose as you. I would get the information I needed and print up a card that is similar to your states id card. I would the go to a totally different region of the us where it is not going to be commonly used, and I find someone who will take my word that it is legal and proper and that I am you. As you can see, that would be far easier to do with 50 different styles of id cards, than if you had one.

imo, the reason many states are opposing this issue, is because they would lose money on it, as it would then be a federal id card instead of a state id card, thus all income from the purchase (for lack of a better word; hey I am tired, lol) would go straight to the federal coffers, not the state.

Where have you gone that they wont accept your ID? every where I have gone out of state has accepted mine. To answer your question, you will have to give the motor vehicles your address, DOB, proof of residence, idenity and SS number. Where are they going to store this? In a program on a computer. If someone can steal your personal info by driving by your house if your not using a secure connection, like if your using WI FI, then its not going to be that difficult to hack into the computers. Not to mention its going to cost 11 billion dollars where are they going to get this kind of money? and where are they going to get the people to file all of the info, the computers and the security system?

I dont know about where you are, but I have lived in over twenty diferent states, due to having been in the military, and then affiliated with the military, and every single state you have had to provide proof of address/residency, your date of birth, proof of Identification, and your social security number. And althoguh I have not lived in every state I will garuntee you that it is all already kept on computer.
So my question to you, is whats the differance?

As far as which states dont accept out of state id's? It isnt the state, it's the individual business in each state. There is not a single state I know of though the requires its businesses to accept an out of state id card, because of the fact that too many people in say michigan, dont know what an id card from oregon looks like, so they have no way of knowing htat t is valid.

And believe it or not, more businesses than not, will not accept an out of state id on a normal basis.

But the computers are linked to each other and thus harded to hack into. When the Law comes into effect, EVERY single computer at the DMV's will be linked to ALL the other DMVs in America. Anyone anywhere could hack into it. Lets say your in NYC, if they hacked into the DMV's computer they could steal someone's info that lived in Texas.

people do that already, just by sitting at home on the internet. They dont bother going into their states programming to get into another state, they just go direct.

also keep in mind that anybody connected to the internet is by definition, networked with all other internet connected computers. And if your computer happens to have remote internet conenction capability, it can still be hacked into even if it has never actually been connected to the internet, if you know what you are doing.

Here in VA they already collect all that info & it hasn't been a problem. This is kinda like Franklin using leaf printing, it's design is to cut down on fake IDs. I see no reason to oppose this measure, so I can support it;^]

There are some clear advantages and disadvantages to this law...

The advantage of having a uniform ID is pretty obvious.

One disadvantage is: Some states, including the one I live in, sells entire databases of personal information regarding every individual who has an I.D. or drivers licence. Even though the Supreme court has mandated this is an invasion of privacy. The States that practice this are just using the many loopholes in the poorly written legislation.

I've had access to this information through one of my clients who is a private investigator. All I need is a license plate to find out your name, where you live... or your name to find out where you live and what you drive... If the Federal data is unified, without tightening up these laws, I may be able to have access to all of the States. Oregon sells this info to marketers as well. Simply warning them about misuse. This is a stalkers and Identity thief's goldmine, if you ask me.

Homeland Security has already had a hand in this.. Using biometrics software and or hardware solutions. My licence now has a machine readable picture of me on it.. which has been submitted to the national data base. So.. a facial recognition program can theoretically pick me out of a crowd..in a live video transmission. Great news for the war against terror and crime! Not so good for my ability to be hidden in plain sight. I'd be nervous if I was wanted.. but I'm not, so for the time being, I'm indifferent.

The agency is also seriously looking at embedding RFID tags. In other words..very small radio transmitters that are constantly sending our info into the air, lets say.. maybe in a 5' ball around us. So anytime we come within a scanners range.. that info is available. So..we could be tracked as we move through our day.. from grocery to office to gas station...etc..

The State Department is already implementing this technology into passports.

Since the law regarding radio transmissions states simply.. It is not illegal to receive any signal out there. All I have to do is get my trusty spectrum analyzer and dipole antenna..identify the frequency using my I.D., build a scanner, and head into a crowd carrying a small receiver and pda. I should be able to know everyones name, address and I.D. number ~ who passes within 5 feet of me. Since I will not be transmitting.. I am not breaking the law.. and no one will be able to detect the passive device.

Personally.. I'll be carrying my I.D. card in a small metal coated envelope.

The other immediate disadvantage.. The I.D. will require a physical address. No P.O. box. How do the homeless or disenfranchised get an I.D.? What would stop people from just not getting an I.D. for a number of reasons...? Which means they cannot drive legally and will have no insurance? I can't wait to get t-boned by one of them! Granted, I have uninsured motorist insurance, but the coverage is usually limited...and I'm sure that the insurance industry will respond by higher rates and more limits.

Lots to consider....

Papers Please?? Does that sound like the LAND of the FREE, OR the HOME of the SLAVE??

thats what I think. I'm sorry, but I'd rather not have the FEDS watching me, if they put that chip in.

What I heard about this new ID, is that it will also have a chip in it to locate where we are. If that is true, then I am 100% against it.

I'm sure I'll try to make my small fortune selling little alloy laminated mylar or acetate envelopes. Unless of course... I just gave the idea away by writing this.
What can I say? I'm an engineer... and that would fall under one of the top 10 stupid engineering tricks.

I could give a religious argument for this but ill be nice

I'd definatly be against that, the only GPS government monitoring I'll aproove of is for pedophiles. Though it is interesting to note that most of us already have these chips in our phones;^]

Not only in the phones, but it is eiher aready been mandated, or in th process that all new vehicles have gps tracking in them as well. I'll be honost, I like the idea of having it int he car, and even on the cell phone, as heaven forbid something happen, all yo uhave to do (with the phone) is dial 911. With the car, loo at all those commercials for onstar. Thats what it is is a gps tracker linked in with a sensor for certain situations (like a head on colission).

Now, in my id card? no I dont like the idea. I do like the idea of having it in passports etc. or "greencards" in order to help cut back on illegal immigration and possible terrorist cells, but that belongs in a different thread

One step closer to the N.W.O.

GPS on my ex's cell phone saved her life. Her husband (whom she was leaving) kidnapped her & crossed into NC. The feds pulled up the GPS from her phone & pin pointed her location. Amazing stuff, I also think it should be used for keeping track of sex offenders still on parole or probation, especialy for pedophiles. But like any new technology, it can be abused to. I agree with not putting it into ID cards, that might be the line;^]