is it fair that immigrants dont pay taxes yet get paid as much as we do

I'm not touching this sucker....

why not

Do they at least speak English? If I have to "press 1 for English" one more time....we're going to need body bags..!!

Because there has been a ban on immigration threads, and they often end up in rather heated debates... a bit of a passionate topic, fore and against.

most immigrants make more, but as far as fair, whats fair now a days ????


at braink66 ..... totally understandable

Thanks "night"...I'm glad that someone else shares my pain

i thought they did just like the rest.. i do know that royalty such as the queen doesnt have to pay taxes.. thats unfair you ask me

First, there is a huge difference between immigration and illegal immigration. Since you are talking about immigrants that do not pay taxes, you must be talking about illegal immigrants. It is important you make that distinction.

dominic...... As one poster noted, since you are talking about non-payment of taxes, then you must be talking about illegals. Of course, it is not fair for illegal immigrants to avoid paying taxes, whether you mean local or federal. I believe, if one works in a country and reaps the benefits of wages, then that individual(s) should pay taxes. However, I think citizens of our country who are at the poverty level should be given a break on taxes by paying little or none.

In connection with the above, I want to emphasize that illegals at the poverty level should not be given that same consideration on taxes, because they are law breakers and have no business being in our country, let alone working here. I do not believe in giving any type of taxpayer/government benefits to illegals.

I want to add a thought that is off-topic but important. Ilegals who come here and take low-paying/minimum wage jobs are doing a great dis-service to some Americans. We need to remember that there is a certain segment of Americans who want those low-paying/minimum wage jobs, that is, students, retirees, people who are in between jobs, uneducated Americans, and the like. There are so many illegals grabbing up unskilled/low-paying jobs that it makes it difficult for Americans in the labor force who want/need those jobs.

jess .....

In reference to your post that the thread will be shut down or deleted, "Because there has been a ban on immigration threads, and they often end up in rather heated debates... a bit of a passionate topic, fore and against."

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Then if we want to continue this thread, we have to bring facts into it and not racism. So, let's bear in mind what jess has posted.

Upholding the laws of this land is all that I ask. Immigration good, illegal immigration bad. How much simpler can it get?

But its very easy in these debates to throw the race card out like a penalty flag in a soccer game.

How can you say immigrants don't pay taxes? Of course they do, every time they buy something. Every time they fill up their car. Get paid more than "we" do? lol, not in MY city! One issue, at least where I live, is crossing the border illegally, (running the river) working here for cash (construction or house cleaning type jobs) and then crossing back over for the night. So the money leave with them. Then, the illegal use of a US address and kids that live in Mexico cross over for the school system, we have so many overcrowded schools, and the "illegals" are a major cause. There is a road here that cannot be driven on at night - you will most certainly have your car disabled and will be robbed and assulted.

The problem is more complex then just wages. There are no benefits of the welfare or foodstamp kind given to illegal aliens period, that is a propaganda fed to folks to spark the fire. Also, the data of the illegals and their medical expenses on this country is skewed too, I have found. They are including all indigent people in those stats. Having worked for the welfare department for years I can vouch that the indigent population of citizens is much larger than the estimated population of the illegal in our country. This issue has brought out the racists in our country and they have climbed on this bandwagon, with all their hatefilled propaganda.

Verify what you hear on the government sites, the official government sites! before you believe anything, as the propaganda is being taken for truth and it is not.

txacdesert..... You say immigrants pay taxes every time they buy something ..... not every state has a sales tax. Additionally, those states that have sales taxes do not tax every item one purchases/uses. Yes, they are paying gasoline taxes every time they fill up their car, but they are enjoying driving on our roads/highways/interstates/bridges and etc.

When you speak of kids that live in Mexico crossing over illegally for the school system, I am sure you are correct there. However, a lot of those Mexican children are US citizens. One of the reasons people are against the illegals is because many, not all, Mexican women sneak into the US and come into the emergency rooms of our public hospitals to deliver their new baby. Once the baby is born in an American hospital, that child is entitled to go to American schools. That child is also entitled to free medical care, food stamps, and cash benefits.

You need to remember that public hospitals, not private, cannot turn anyone away who needs medical care. These illegals are very much aware of that. I saw a documentary that showed how five days a week on the Mexican side of the border, hundreds and hundreds of Mexican children line up to cross the border. Once they are on the American side, American school buses are waiting to take them to American schools. In some of the border states, because of illegals, children are being taught out of trailers -- not the Mexican children, but American children. The reason for this is that in most states, schools are funded by taxpayer dollars. When a city/state is over flooded with children of illegals who are not paying taxex, then there are not enough schools.

Many American hospitals located in border cities have been forced to close down, because of illegals who do not have the money or health insurance to pay for medical attention. Sadly, many Americans in those border cities have died in ambulances on the way to hospitals, because the ambulances have to travel an inordinate amount of time to get to a hospital since the nearby hospitals were forced to close because of the burden of illegals.

Last, I am sure you are right about the road that Americans have to keep off of at night, because of criminal illegals putting people in danger of their lives and property. Unfortunately, many illegals, not all, who come to this country are criminals and think nothing of murdering Americans for a few dollars.

Mrtxstar:

You have succeeded in hitting the nail squarely on the head as far as the basic crux of this entire issue--a fact that most debaters tend to overlook, or downright ignore, when posting their arguments. I applaud you, sir.

The immigrants.. both legal and illegal are responding to a market. If there were no jobs to be had.. then there would be no reason to come here. Legal or otherwise.

It does cost more to hire and pay a citizen or naturalized citizen then it does an illegal. Just because the two cannot see the differences in their paychecks and coming to the conclusion that they get paid the same is a very narrow perspective.

If you have ever employed anyone you would know that for every dollar in pay there is a percentage you are obligated to pay in benefits. You contribute to unemployment insurance, workers compensation.. etc.. Not to mention all the other City, County, State and Federal standards you have to adhere to in order to comply with the law.. Not to mention the man power to keep everything in order and compliance. That costs money!

If you hire illegals? Insuring them is not only impractical..it is probably not possible. You can cut corners on safety standards..your business and practices are unregulated. Your employees have no recourse... All because you are probably running in many respects, under the radar...

So.. this line of debate has been heavily sided, by the simple and at least on the surface, made believable, point that wages to both illegals and legal are mutually equitable.

If we are going to debate using facts? How about looking into your facts? Otherwise all this is just so much hyperventilating that will accomplish very little other than raise a few individuals internal temperature and compound the disparity of the issue.

The bottom line is.. If we had no employers willing to employ illegals? We would have no problem.

The way this discussion normally goes, is much like putting the cart before the horse. The majority blames the people coming to fill the market, rather then the market itself.

If we never work toward reducing that market, we will never solve the issue. All this talk of building fences, surveillance camera's, imprisoning people trying to survive.. is very reactive. Not proactive. It is really just so much folly. Which I believe is exactly where the people in charge want us... Arguing a whole bunch about absolutely nothing.

Employers that hire illegals because they are cheaper and so easy to exploit amounts to modern day slavery. Illegals are doing jobs that American's won't do beacuse they are doing those jobs at a wage that American's won't work for.

The solution:
1. Pass laws that make hiring illegals undesirable.
2. Enforce the laws already making illegal immigration a crime.
3. Build 2 double wall fences across the entire American border. One in the north(Canada) and one in the south(Mexico).

Do I have your vote?